I'm not proving my point I'm just putting forward my opinion. Why it's laughable or low is slightly puzzling to me. I would have thought it is the sort of thing that goes on all the time.
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I'm not proving my point I'm just putting forward my opinion. Why it's laughable or low is slightly puzzling to me. I would have thought it is the sort of thing that goes on all the time.
Take a look at John Terry's antics to get a new contract. Not that far fetched really.
What are the reasons: He's paid a massive amount and it's embarrassing to admit he's not worth it. It makes it harder to ship him out if you damage his brand. He's England captain and the press will whip up a sh#tstorm if he's dropped. And most of all, Rooney himself will become a disruptive influence in the dressing room if dropped, as he's shown himself capable of doing in the past.
Again just my opinion. Others are welcome to theirs.
If you take away Zlatan's two goals, he was pretty poor with his touch, passing and some of his runs. If Rooney had a performance where he scored two goals (1 a penalty), he'd still be getting bashed for giving away the ball those 4-5 times. I guess it's natural he'll get more criticism as he's not close to being the Golden Boy right now.
He had entire last season as a striker and he was playing far worse than Ibra and couldn't score and get into goalscoring chances to save his life. And don't talk about lack of creativity under van Gaal since Ibrahimovic scored two ridiculous goals Rooney is not capable of.
Everyone thought Jose would drop him and since he hasn't yet done that, it's back to political influence, contractual obligations etc. You'll see some people on here saying Pep would have gotten rid off Rooney for being overweight/rubbish etc. Pep could come in next season and still pick Rooney and then these people would have to once again fall back on their agendas about the politics. It's ridiculous really. Rooney was rubbish against Bournemouth but he had a more than decent game yesterday and yet he gets bashed. Even when he scores or plays well it's because the opposition was rubbish.
All I said was if Rooney had the sort of game Ibra had yesterday, he'd be slaughtered for the poor runs and misplaced passes and discredited for "only" scoring a penalty.
You are so ignorant to agree with anything that disputes Rooney's performance it's unbelieveable.I'll leave you in your dream where this is nothing to see performance and that Rooney played much better.
Bolded part says a lot about your perception of football anyway, there is no reason for me to continue any players performance related discussion with person who thinks like that.
Well there's no reason for me to continue arguing with someone who thought Martial was better than Rooney last game anyway. And yes I value assists and goals more than "he caused problems".
Anyone that is bringing politics or some other conspiracy into this is the fool. Probably the same people that believe Rooney has bought the media to praise him.
What a ridiculous thread this has become. I am a person who wishes to see Mikhitaryan instead of Rooney in the starting eleven because I feel we might play some attractive football but with the way this forum/thread has become regarding Rooney I am a fanboi for not admitting he is a pub level player that is playing politics to stay in the team.
You do understand we're talking about club politics. No-one is suggesting David Cameron ordered LVG to play Rooney.
Exactly.
It was Theresa May.
I know... but even that is a bit ridiculous. Rooney has no power over Jose. Mourinho is free to do as he pleases.
Is she a City fan?
He'd get bashed because he's been poor for three seasons, whereas Zlatan has only just arrived. That's the fundamental reason why "Player X was poor too" arguments are flawed. Other players may have bad games, they may go into poor form, but they don't get to be poor for years without being dropped.
That's absolutely ridiculous. As @Art Vandelay said, Zlatan, if you exlude his goals had a bad game, yes, however he played very well against Bournemouth.
We're not talking about one-off performance of Rooney, that's the whole point. He hasn't done anything to deserve a place in the starting team for 3 SEASONS. Not 3 games, not 30 games, 3 seasons...
It's not like we're waiting him to go back in form, that form from season 2009-10 will never again return and it's only going to get worse.
That's the whole point, you guys just don't want to admit it.
Edit: I also want to say that Rooney is a legend for me, one of our greatest players. However, I don't care if you're Cantona, Ronaldo or whoever, if you can't perform at this club for 3 seasons, you don't deserve a place. That doesn't make him any less of a legend, it's just that our club should strive for excellency at all times.
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The thing that annoys me the most is his closing down from the front is very poor. He made zero tackles or interceptions all game, how is that possible?
He's so unfit that he has to save every last breathe to running forward. When it comes to us winning the ball back he does nothing.
Even Ibra at 5 years older is running around closing down defenders and putting in tackles. Really sad to see.
He's so unfit that he has to save every last breathe to running forward. When it comes to us winning the ball back he does nothing.
Even Ibra at 5 years older is running around closing down defenders and putting in tackles. Really sad to see.
I distinctly remember him making a tackle, he won the ball around the middle of our half about midway through the first half. I remember this because I was getting fecked off with his fake closing down just before he did it. The one where he sidles up to a player and fakes like he's about to tackle him or close him down, but in reality just kind of stands there. Mata does it too on occasion.
Good for me is different to decent or solid, but I just feel the standard by which Rooney is judged as having played well enough is so low now because we've let standards slip at the club over the last few years. I am looking forward to seeing Micki play regularly as well but I am sure it will be in place of Mata.
I don't think they mean it in quite that way, but he has a lot of influence in the United dressing room and seniority at the club, Mourinho saw first hand how tricky that can be when he dropped Casillas at Real Madrid.
If that is Rooney's new standard for 'more than decent' than that says it all really. To put things in perspective, imagine what 'more than decent' means for someone like De Bruyne or Ozil?
Not if he was playing Striker. Ibra's job is to score goals. He scored 2, 1 a penalty and almost scored a goal out of absolutely nothing with his scissor kick. He did his job. Rooney as a no10 is pretty much the focal point of our attack and should be doing a lot more there to warrant a starting place above Mikhi and Mata. Rooney played most of last season in the striker role and failed to deliver so we can't exactly compare him with Ibra.
It's funny because a lot of his defenders are quick to point out his 'unseen' off the ball work. Probably because his on the ball work is so strikingly poor that they can no longer defend it, even with the stats that make him seem a lot less shite than he is.
I can't remember that exactly, I'm just going off the squawka stats. Either way it's not good enough. I watched him for most of the 2nd half and he just slowly jogged around, standing In the middle pointing as players ran passed him.
If Jose sacked off mata for poor defensive work, I have no idea why he's happy Rooney is doing that. Maybe he really has been warned not to upset Rooney before he's earned the squads loyalty.
When he was younger and energetic he was 1 of the best at it, he had boundless energy but he's just not the same player anymore. I think people struggle too accept it, many people struggled to accept Giggs and Scholes were passed it too. Fergie especially gave them more chance than anybody.
The way I see it is this. Would Rooney start for any other top team in the league, even Europe in his current state? Not a chance IMO. I think we've promised to get him over the goal record, once that's done hopefully he's nowhere near first choice.
There's no way Pep would go anywhere near Rooney, Pep would hate him given his diabolical first touch, if he had hair he'd pull it out with the amount of posession Rooney lost.
That video was a highlights video, and within his highlights he had a Rooney-esque touch at the edge of the box, lost the ball twice pointlessly, and had a few neat touches and a shot saved. I can't differentiate it from Rooney v Bournemouth.
I agree and I was one of his biggest fans until around the end of 2013/14 where his all round performances started dropping considerably. There's no doubt a young Rooney would have walked straight into most of Europes top teams but people seem oblivious to the fact that he isn't even half of the player he once was anymore in terms of his all round game and are persistent on defending him to no end, mainly because his stats are still acceptable. He wasn't that much greater at scoring or even assisting back in the day but the rest of his game was far superior and that is the main problem regarding his performances these days. I find it incredibly frustrating that people choose to completely ignore his all round decline and keep going back to the numbers he puts up.
The big difference is the Rooney of the past was very productive and was still a massive asset to the team in terms of his all round play while the more recent Rooney still puts up a decent amount of numbers but that doesn't change the fact that his first touch has become diabolical, his pace and explosiveness; gone, his fitness is no longer up to scratch whilst his more reserved approach in the final third in terms of his passing is generally a hindrance to the team when not scoring or assisting because of all the above. At least when he wasn't scoring or assisting, the younger Rooney would contribute in many other different ways that it didn't really matter and would still be affecting the team positively.
I don't give a feck about his contract issues in the past, how much money he is earning or how decent/indecent he is as a human being. I simply find his all round performance unacceptable at a club with expectations such as ours. I criticised Fellaini in the last three seasons heavily, however he is now playing so well I have nothing bad to say about him nor am I against him being in the starting XI whatsoever. I am happy to admit I was completely wrong if he keeps this kind of performance up and have been the saying the same about Rooney every time he has a good run of form in the last 3 season, which is becoming increasingly spare.
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Guardiola succeeds of getting rid off England darling Joe Hart in no time, but we are sadly stuck with the other England darling 
Rooney lost the ball something like 10 times in a much more diabolical fashion vs Bournemouth. That's not even an exaggeration. Just watch the video posted somewhere around 10 pages back. He played like a fecking drunken leprechaun. Martial was no where near as bad yesterday. You also forgot to mention a nice pass to shaw, a nice dribble to get himself through to take a shot which was blocked. Yeah he should have finished it but he got himself in that position in the first place.
The main difference was people actually got excited when they saw Martial running at the defense in the second half and he was making things happen. His run alone which led to a shot from pretty far out was more exciting than anything Rooney has done in a long time. One chance that he missed, he created through his pace to beat a man and worked himself into that dangerous position before missing. He also put in a couple of nice incisive forward passes to Shaw on one occasion and Ibra on the other. Rooney vs Bournemouth was provided with chances rather than creating any. I can't remember the last time I was excited seeing Rooney running at a defense, let alone leaving me on the edge of my seat. You almost expect him to lose the ball, or make a backwards/sideways pass every single time. That's the difference.
Besides, despite keeping a decent number of goals/assists in his game, Rooney has been putting in bournemouth esque performances for the last 3 years, on a consistent basis whilst his productivity seems to cover it up for a lot of posters. Martial has a couple of bad games and suddenly it's the same thing? He also has 2 assists which shows you how stats are not the as important as they appear when put in perspective.
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Currently the most overpaid athlete in the world. Nothing more than average at the moment. And his status warrants more than average.
Bingo, you are spot on. Glad somebody else gets it. I wish he was still the same Rooney of 5 years ago but it's just not going to happen. I think the days of "playing him into form" have gone. He actually needs more rest than usual. If he had 30 minute cameos when other teams were tired he would be a lot more effective.
Rooney scored 17 goals in the league 3 seasons back. It's not true that he has done nothing at all. Last season is the only season where he hasn't done anything. The season before that (14/15) he was playing in midfield, even at times as Holding Mid because of injuries to the side and to allow Di Maria and mata and all to be in the side along with him. Still was our top scorer.
So no I don't agree that he has done nothing to warrant a place for 3 seasons.
This! He also helped to drag us back into the FA Cup with a run straight out of his youth. Anyone coming in and using the "he's a pub player" line should be thread banned IMO. It was an amusing line from someone once which has been done to death and is boring now.
He isn't the same player he was and he never will be. The pace and explosiveness are gone. He will still chip in with decisive moments of quality but there will be less and less of them over the course of this season unfortunately. I see him as a valuable senior squad member now a la Carrick rather than a nailed on starter and would be surprised if Mourinho doesn't see it the same way. I think Jose will start to slowly phase him out in September with the other competitions starting but it'll be up to the replacements to show that they can contribute more over 90 than Rooney can.
I can understand where people are coming from with the Rooney critisicm, he was very poor last year although (not making excuses) he was misused along with pretty much everyone under Van Gaal. But in his first two games in the premier league under Mourinho he's been involved in two goals, which shouldn't be undervalued. Eventually I'd like to see maybe Rashford or Mkhytarian getting a start over Rooney, but as it stands we shouldn't be dropping forwards that are contributing. He may often have a horrific touch and he may misplace a few passes, but as long as he keeps contributing he should stay in the side for me at least.
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Says a lot when all managers can do is point to the past and nominal things to describe him.
England captain, most successful England player, broken records, what a great player he's been.
I mean it sounds good but it's telling they can't say, "did you see that performance last week? How can I NOT have him as my captain?!"
And you couldn't have said anything like that for two years now (bare minimum).
Everything is based on what he once was rather than the present. But hey, if England want to continue being sub-standard, playing out of form and past-it players, I couldn't care less.
True plus the fact that you don't hear managers being questioned about players like Aguero, Kane or even a crock like Sturridge says it all. Each time his managers (club and NT) give an interview the most prominent question is Rooney's place in the team and as you say the default reply is "look at his past achievements" not his last game, I wonder why.
The worst thing is that Rooney himself is failing to see how much he's declined. He still sees himself as top player (recent interviews where he states he's been better than ever, or that he doesn't need to prove himself to anyone) and because of that he won't even try to change his game. Scholes and Giggs saw their shortcomings and decided to do something about it, Neville, once he saw he's not up to task anymore, decided it's time to call it a day. Rooney meanwhile won't accept a fact that he can still have great moments in a match but overall game passes him by and he can't run as much as before or take on players or create something out of nothing.
I know it's hard to look at yourself and admit you're almost done but the sooner he realises that the better for him and team as well. Wouldn't mind having him as bench option because he can still offer something hut his days as a starter are numbered. Think Jose will ease him out of first eleven once Mkhitaryan is completely adjusted and ready.
I know it's hard to look at yourself and admit you're almost done but the sooner he realises that the better for him and team as well. Wouldn't mind having him as bench option because he can still offer something hut his days as a starter are numbered. Think Jose will ease him out of first eleven once Mkhitaryan is completely adjusted and ready.
You do realise we have played two league games. We have won both well. Rooney has scored in one, assisted in another. If martial had taken his chance Rooney would have another assist. YET still, Jose has subbed him in both. And the shield. 3 games on the bounce Rooney has been subbed. That's un heard of. Even more noticeable is that ignore performance, in terms of goals and assists, Rooney has actually been productive.
Make no mistake. This is the beginning of the end for Rooney.
As the season progresses and his productivity drops (it will) then the substitutions will come earlier.
Guardiola succeeds of getting rid off England darling Joe Hart in no time, but we are sadly stuck with the other England darling
Jose couldn't dare, at the moment Pep can do no wrong, if Jose pulled that shit with Rooney the media would rip him apart, especially after the Chelsea debacle and the fact United seem to have lots of journalist 'fans' and ex players looking for opportunities to mouth off. Mitten would write something about identity while Rooney's media team will say stuff about Jose destroying the team, the usual anti-Mourinho buzzwords, and you'll have fans on here lapping it up. Jose is handling the Rooney situation perfectly, he can't afford to be as ruthless as Pep at the moment. I'm really suprised how little coverage his treatment of Hart has got has gotten. If Mou had gone to City and done the exact same he'll be eaten alive.
Or, the less convoluted explanation, Mourinho rates Rooney as a more useful player than Guardiola rates Hart?
Passing a ball 5 yards isn't an assist I am interested in. It's pure Stats filler. Yes he took his header well but that required him not to move - which is something he's struggling with recently.
At the end of the day he plays upfront for 1 of the strongest teams in the league, he should by all means be getting creating and scoring every week.
Right now he's hanging on like a thread. Once his padded assists stop there's going to be nothing else saving him. Once he used to get passed it by having a good all round game, but that's gone.
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