Moyes doesn't write the cheque. Must have the same idiots working at Nike too....
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Moyes doesn't write the cheque. Must have the same idiots working at Nike too....
The best run club in the world doesn't come 5th in a league that is won by Leicester City, we aren't the best run club in the world, in fact I'd argue we're not even close. Barca, Atletico, Leicester, Bayern etc. maintain their status with much less financial muscle (for the most part) yet, haven't declined as heavily as we have, despite us spending loads. (apart from Leicester, of course)
Becks etc. was sold by SAF, who tbf was ruthless. Don't see how that point is any relevant, SAF did his best to try and get Rooney out of the club, he came out and basically admitted he wanted him out ffs, it was Moyes who put a stop to it when he came in.
Wayne Rooney is a big name, Nike doesn't care how he performs on the pitch, people all around the world know him, when they see him wearing the kit, Nike gets exposure.
How is your Pele comment relevant? He doesn't play football anymore and is 75 ffs, you can't honestly believe that's even remotely the same as Rooney's situation (Granted, the way Rooney plays these days, it's hard to tell the difference in age)
Lastly, you don't need to be good looking to be marketable, that's nonsense. I gurantee you there is a very small majority of people, both in Nike and at United who genuinely believe Rooney is still worthy of being a key player, but as mentioned before, he is a big name, a household name who is recognisable all around the world. It's only understandable that, especially in today's era when football isn't even about the sport as much as it is the marketable aspect anymore, that he continues to be chosen.
They're not comparable in terms of talent but the bleedin' Kardashians never struggle to get commercial sponsors, and they're just famous for being famous; they've given practically nothing to our culture (compared to Rooney) but the point holds.
The signings we've made also heap pressure on Rooney to perform. All three of our attacking signings strengthen the first team and in order to really get the best out of them we can't play with a #10. We've also signed at least one better #10 than Rooney if Mourinho's sticking with a player in that position. Basically Rooney has to play out of his skin if he wants to justify his place.
His best chance of playing will be to play better than Zlatan up front, considering the immense job he has in front of him if he wants to justify a spot in the hole. Firstly, he has to play better than both Mata and Mkhitaryan there, which he isn't close to doing based on current form. Secondly, he has to play so well that we can justify putting Pogba in a more limited role as part of a midfield two, rather than give him the freedom to express himself in front of two more defensively-oriented midfielders. Rooney arguably has to outperform Zlatan here too, while Rashford or Martial have to play well enough stake a claim for the striker position, as Zlatan and Rooney playing centrally up front hasn't looked like a good fit either due to both having a lack of pace and a tendency to drop deep.
To me it looks as if our signings have been made not only to strengthen the team, but also force Rooney to work his balls off if he want to continue being a starter. It's up to him now to prove he's up to the task of getting his head above water. Otherwise I can quickly see him drowning in the pool of talent we've added to the team, which will surely see him dropped. At least José is giving him a fair shot at it instead of just dropping him from the get go.
Nike still sponsor Ronaldinho. Nike sponsoring Rooney doesn't mean shite about his onfield performances. I still saw a Puma ad with ballotelli the other day.
He's a famous Man Utd player and that's all they care about.
He's a famous Man Utd player and that's all they care about.
Decline? I'm saying (again) Utds been shit for 3 years. The worst shit for 20 years, with the worst football I can ever remember them playing even when we weren't winning things. That's the context and backdrop we are judging players on. I find it difficult to say he's on the decline because of that. I'll reserve my judgement after this season?
Ibra's game was like a bad Berba game (barring the header). He held up the ball well under pressure but the flicks weren't coming off, and he tried a lot of penetrative passing but they were getting intercepted. He and Rooney took turns coming deep, sometimes getting on the others' way. Still he won some free kicks because of his strength.
Starting in 2010/11, in Dimitar's 20-goal season, he started being much more conservative with his passing and didn't try to force the issue, instead he would hold it and wait for support before laying it off. In the next season when he was used very sporadically, he was brought on a few times to just hold it up and by that stage he had almost completely stopped trying tough passes. It was all about control, strength, balance, and then a 5-yard pass. If Ibra could be a bit cautious about that (and I'm sure Mourinho would be demanding exactly that), without losing all creativity, it would be great to have a true #9 after RvP, occupying both defenders, helping us push high up the pitch and finishing off crosses too.
If you can't admit that he's in decline then there is nothing to discuss. When he has obviously lost a lot of his pace, explosiveness, dynamism and physicality. If you can see it, then that's fine
We've made some good ones too so not my entire argument. Amazing how people wanted burning effigy of Eddie outside OT last year, what now? Nike clearly have made millions buy having crap players promoting their products. Rooney is far from marketable, he isn't no poster boy.....and what have Nike got to do with it? Have you seen who sponsors the Utd kit? I think Eddie would say they have a lot to do with it?
Is Ibra on the decline compared to 5 years ago and therefore are you not happy we signed him?
Ibra can control a football and doesn't look and function like a loaf of bread though.
You're literally the only one arguing a case for him. I think that might say something.
That's wrong too.
If Rooney wasn't marketable he wouldn't be appearing as the star in Nike commercials. He wouldn't have been on the cover of FIFA from 2007 to 2010. He's a Nike athlete, and he's still the main figure in this picture, promoting an Adidas kit:
He has his face plastered all over Old Trafford regularly.
Rooney is still marketable, but it hs nothing to do with his abilities as a footballer. Beckham is also marketable and he's retired.
This is how crazy some are on here. This guy is suggesting Nike will pay Rooney $105 mil over four years just on his fame alone cause all those 12 year old lads (not all Utd fans) will buy his boots even if he's crap but plays for Utd.
I give up....
You and few others have been deluded for more than 3 years now, you really want to give him another one?
What case?
Almost as though those last three years have been a bit unusual, right?
That's wrong too.
If Rooney wasn't marketable he wouldn't be appearing as the star in Nike commercials. He wouldn't have been on the cover of FIFA from 2007 to 2010. He's a Nike athlete, and he's still the main figure in this picture, promoting an Adidas kit:
He has his face plastered all over Old Trafford regularly.
Rooney is still marketable, but it hs nothing to do with his abilities as a footballer. Beckham is also marketable and he's retired.
Sorry that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. I can accept we will all have an opinion on footballers but the idea a company would use a current footballer internationally to sell their product who wasnt very good at the product they are selling is stupid at best....especially When your talking Nike and Sony..
Right back at you, mate.
I don't want to get into tiresome arguments about Rooney but where did you get that figure form?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...i-million-pound-move-from-Nike-to-Adidas.html
Rooney is sponsored by Nike because he's a famous Man Utd playe that has achieved great things in his career. It doesn't mean he's still a world class player.
Ronaldo is thought to be on $20m a year. No way Rooney earns that much from Nike. His Man Utd contract isn't even that big.
What is?
Yes, with Rooney as our main guy in the team. That tells me it's definitely time for a change in the team, considering we changed everything in this team except Rooney, including three different managers now. I hope Mourinho knows bit more than van Gaal and Moyes know about football anyway.
You see that's CAF for you? When did I say he was still a world class player or did I say on his day? Are his days behind him, well without the ability to predict the future, I'll wait and see....
Well I regarded Rooney as a world class player and sadly imo, hes no longer one. And also, his best days are behind him imo.
He might be all those things, my point is, (until the vultures starting circling cause I had a different opinion) I can't make that judgement because of the context of the last 3 seasons. I'm not sure anyone can really assess the ability of any of the players under either Moyes or LVG regime....
Hodgson, Moyes and LvG are three managers who undoubtedly failed at their jobs. The one consistent between the three of them is blind faith placed in Rooney which was in no way replaced. He was catered to be england and allowed to play in midfield cause he 'studied Scholes and Gerrard' and wasn't great to say the least.
He promised 20+ goals last season for United, who released 2 good strikers, and failed to contribute a single point in the first half of the season and only scored 8 league goals. He looked very poor and was persisted with upfront.
The excuse of poor managers can only go so far, especially when players like Rashford and Martial came into the side and put Rooney to shame upfront. Poor tactics don't explain Rooney's dreadful touch, inability to hold up the ball, beat a man, pick a pass (apart from one to Valencia) and his poor finishing during the season on the whole (January was a purple patch).
All evidence over the last, I'd argue 6 years, tell us Rooney isn't anywhere near the player he once was and has declined greatly. Those holding onto the last bastion of hope that it is due to poor management are in for a great disappointment. The man was dross against Leicester just a few days ago and dreadful in the first half against Galatasaraay. For most players you'd argue it's due to 'rust' but given Rooney's performances the past few years it's par for course.
There's a lot of quality in the side at the moment. Pretty much all players are more suited to a 433 bar Rooney. Would be a shame to see Rooney continually catered too should he, again, fail to deliver.
He promised 20+ goals last season for United, who released 2 good strikers, and failed to contribute a single point in the first half of the season and only scored 8 league goals. He looked very poor and was persisted with upfront.
The excuse of poor managers can only go so far, especially when players like Rashford and Martial came into the side and put Rooney to shame upfront. Poor tactics don't explain Rooney's dreadful touch, inability to hold up the ball, beat a man, pick a pass (apart from one to Valencia) and his poor finishing during the season on the whole (January was a purple patch).
All evidence over the last, I'd argue 6 years, tell us Rooney isn't anywhere near the player he once was and has declined greatly. Those holding onto the last bastion of hope that it is due to poor management are in for a great disappointment. The man was dross against Leicester just a few days ago and dreadful in the first half against Galatasaraay. For most players you'd argue it's due to 'rust' but given Rooney's performances the past few years it's par for course.
There's a lot of quality in the side at the moment. Pretty much all players are more suited to a 433 bar Rooney. Would be a shame to see Rooney continually catered too should he, again, fail to deliver.
Thing is no matter how hard the Rooney fans will it, Rooney won't improve. The man is physically done, you can see the way he drags himself around the pitch from around 60 mins, or how he puffs when trying to chase a speedy pass. When he gets to the ball he has no choice than to stop, take a breather, and look up for Valencia for the wonder pass because there's no chance he's gonna keep running with the ball. This still doesn't explain the days where he can't trap a bag of sand or give a simple 5 yard pass though,i honestly dont know what that's about.
People seem to think it's a recent phenomenon but even in 09/10 when he was a beast, he had a few games where he got absolutely nothing right, but then at least he mostly capped it off with a goal. Presently those bad games are the norm, and his body is failing him, I don't know what it is, it's definitely not form or any coach, nor would it be getting better as he's getting older. It's sad to watch, then you remember he's on 250k/w,and that Moyes stupidity is the reason we're stuck with him, and that he'll play every game regardless of how shit he is, and that he's twice wanted to leave us because he thought we weren't up to his 'standard'...These are the things his fans don't put into consideration when they come up with their 'x player was worse but you all just hate Rooney' arguments
People seem to think it's a recent phenomenon but even in 09/10 when he was a beast, he had a few games where he got absolutely nothing right, but then at least he mostly capped it off with a goal. Presently those bad games are the norm, and his body is failing him, I don't know what it is, it's definitely not form or any coach, nor would it be getting better as he's getting older. It's sad to watch, then you remember he's on 250k/w,and that Moyes stupidity is the reason we're stuck with him, and that he'll play every game regardless of how shit he is, and that he's twice wanted to leave us because he thought we weren't up to his 'standard'...These are the things his fans don't put into consideration when they come up with their 'x player was worse but you all just hate Rooney' arguments
If he had any professional pride he'd know he's done and stop the media briefings too:-
A) Put me up front, ill score goals - When that doesnt happen move on to b
B) Put me at No10, when that doesnt work he invariably blames the other members of the attack (I need pace around me)
Rinse and repeat.
A) Put me up front, ill score goals - When that doesnt happen move on to b
B) Put me at No10, when that doesnt work he invariably blames the other members of the attack (I need pace around me)
Rinse and repeat.
If some Chinese club offered as an astronomical amount for Rooney, say £40-50million, do you think Jose would be inclined to accept?
The sooner he gets the goal record the better, then I feel Jose will begin to phase him out.
To be fair to Rooney, you could argue it was Hodgsons faith in Kane, Sterling, Alli and other under performing cloggers at the Euro's that led him to fail at his job. Rooney was actually somewhat decent at the Euros all things considered.
I don't think Rooney would go would he? Unfortunately.
I don't think he's stupid. With the signing of Pogba and Jose's recent comments, I suspect he knows he's being slowly phased out.
Besides, a couple seasons in China and he'll probably set his grandkids for life.
I think we'd accept, but Rooney wouldn't go... he already gets paid an astronimical amount of money as it is, and I don't imagine he'd be thrilled about the idea of living in China... nor the irrelevance to which such a move would make him. I don't think he feel he'ss ready for a back seat just yet.
Eh? That's probably the only thing that isn't unusual about the last 3 years!
this too
However Mou is acting smart. He's keeping Rooney as first teamer to avoid a rebellion in the dressing room while adding players around him who can easily slot in his role. Rooney's first team place is his to lose but the competition will be breathing at his neck now
I don't get how anyone can't see the obvious physical decline, it's so blatant and much like his scouse brethren Stevie Me, he relied a lot on those physical attributes to perform at the highest level. Jose had the balls to sell Raul who was a bigger club legend at Real Madrid than Rooney is at United, hopefully wants he gets his plates comfortably under the table at United Rooney will be sent packing to the MLS.
If you watched them in the past 3 years then you probably notice their differences
- Ibrahimovic knows he's in decline, so he adjust his style with more calm and slower but deadly in penalty box
* Rooney doesn't has any clue, thinking his power still like 18 years old kids
- Ibrahimovic has high football IQ
* Rooney is great footballer but we all know he's not smart enough as personal
- Ibrahimovic treat his body like a temple, he even has personal trainer and physio to keep his match fitness
* So many times we've seen Rooney overweight and didn't fit enough for the high level
However Ibra hasn't kicked the ball in PL yet, he could be a flop like falcao, but he's still the best option in front. In contrast we have at least 3 players who are better than Rooney at no.10 position
There were press rumours that there were indeed China bids this summer, but Rooney flat turned them down, no surprise.
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