Others are being criticised. Check the threads. There is no Rooney scapegoating. You're just hyper sensitive to any criticism of him.
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Others are being criticised. Check the threads. There is no Rooney scapegoating. You're just hyper sensitive to any criticism of him.
Who isn't being criticised today?
He's definitely scapegoated. Get your head out the clouds.
Are other players being criticised right now on the forum?
It's not tiresome, what's tiresome is seeing his performance thread at the top of all others.
Change the disc already it's so boring, not sure where that quote came from but ok.
Crying because he wasn't the answer is pathetic, the wingers needed changing that's what was wrong, Rooney did more in that second half than Herrera the full match but he gets a buy because he posts funny social media things saying he loves united
As much? No with the absolute hate? No, they are not
Until you just replied to have a cry, his thread was below Pogba, Myhitaryan, Herrera, and Rashford, who are all getting criticised. Don't let facts get in the way of your tantrum though.
He is doing fine playing in cup games.
Bringing him and mata in this game then going to hoofball route was a tad weird though.
Bringing him and mata in this game then going to hoofball route was a tad weird though.
Yawn stats, does it say anything about his contribution in build up play? No.
2 dribbles in a match is fecking awful for a winger so I hope you have brought that up in the rashford thread
It wasn't it was above, atleast on my side, it's more the level of abuse and the content of the posts
That's just straight hyperbole.
This thread often ends up on top due to the endless defence of his poor performances.
Yes it was a mistake from Mourinho to bring him on, but he still deserves to be criticised for having very little impact on the game besides time wasting for Hull by arguing with the referee.
Herrera has been one of our more consistent performers this season, but feel free to post in his thread should you feel he deserves criticism. This is the Rooney thread and it will be bumped when he plays as people discuss his performances.
Looked like a random bloke that won a prize to come on as sub for Man Utd
Not really, he made atleast 3 key passes in build up play that were class two out wide and one reverse in the middle.
My point is that whilst others will get, oh such and such played bad hope he does better, Rooney gets pretty blamed for the result it's an absolute abortion of a thread when it's match day
What did Herrera do? He created nothing of any importance, Rooney set atleast 3 attacks off that I remembercmon I'm sure you don't really believe that
You really are not being objective.
Herrera played a sweet ball through to Mkhi early on, reverse passes freeing Mata and Valencia wide right, tracked back to prevent a one on one between Abel Hernandez and De Gea. Off the top of my head.
No ones blaming Rooney for the results, please do show me quotes which are. He's getting called our for being an ineffectual substitution, which he was. The frustration seems to largely stem from him being on the pitch ahead of Martial when he has been very poor.
Was anonymous against Wigan, did nothing against Liverpool and still he's getting brought on at the first sight of trouble. I cannot see how we'd have won against Boro if he'd have been available. The one game I was very impressed with Jose's subs, and that was probably because he didn't have to waste one on him.
He usually comes on to his position which is second striker, and inevitably Jose will notice that isn't working, we make another switch and shoehorn Rooney wherever, making the system unnatural and the team even more laboured.
He lost a 50/50 (I'm being generous, it was his ball to receive) which set up the Hull chance where Markovic hit the post.
He points where people should press, he shouts at the referee but my nan could do that. He is a waste of a substitution and stifles the rest of the game when other subs have to be made. I really believe we'd have won if he weren't here like against Middlesborough.
He usually comes on to his position which is second striker, and inevitably Jose will notice that isn't working, we make another switch and shoehorn Rooney wherever, making the system unnatural and the team even more laboured.
He lost a 50/50 (I'm being generous, it was his ball to receive) which set up the Hull chance where Markovic hit the post.
He points where people should press, he shouts at the referee but my nan could do that. He is a waste of a substitution and stifles the rest of the game when other subs have to be made. I really believe we'd have won if he weren't here like against Middlesborough.
Love what he's done for United in the past. Loved his 250th goal the other day.
More importantly, I Love to see him on the bench ... love him to stay there ... and not to be our first choice change!
WTF? If we didn't need Carrick because we were okay at the back, then why bring on Rooney????
More importantly, I Love to see him on the bench ... love him to stay there ... and not to be our first choice change!
WTF? If we didn't need Carrick because we were okay at the back, then why bring on Rooney????
It's a sorry sight to see a Rooney mess it up then berate the referee. Deep down he must know.
Mou really needs to bring him on only for cup comps.
Being generous there, the random bloke would probably have showed more hunger and desire.
Seriously though, he needs to be one of the first names out of the club in the summer.
Sell to China, bring back Pereira.
He must. But if you look at some of the Rooney fan boi's on here you start to wonder if he believes his own hype....
You shouldn't ever be afraid to state your opinion. However right or wrong it may be, it belongs to you and you shouldn't be afraid to share it here. I mean look at some of the gutter drivel that gets trotted out in here most of the time after a game, good or bad. It is mainly made up of just hyperbolic moaning and people trying to be 'lolol bantz'. It is part of the wind-down out of the game day mentality and cathartic for those users. You have every right to express show you feel if it is cathartic to you.
I thought he was decent enough as well. Not great, but not the right sub though, I can definitely understand that. Essentially in the structure between Zlatan and Pogba he's (like Mata as well) not really going to change much of the overall pattern of play. He's not an alpha game-grabbing player that is going to change the game (the type of contribution that can be quantified as good/bad in a performance thread). He's a facilitator and a pretty passive selfless player on the pitch, all he can do is show up in the right areas and try to facilitate. It just wasn't the right type of sub in my opinion. As a general substitution, if you're going to bring on Rooney and Mata then you have to break the way Pogba and Zlatan are playing because they have a magnetism that draws Zlatan back, pushes Pogba forward. If you're bringing on Mata you're essentially squeezing bodies from the right of the field in toward Zlatan and if you're bringing on Rooney you're essentially putting a body between Pogba and Zlatan to get in the way.
I am not sure how to fix that other than put Rooney out and out on the left but Rashford was playing well enough and has the physicality to make things happen on the flanks. I think it was just silly not bringing in Martial to run at players. Mata/Rooney aren't really going to bring that.
Proper nonsense that is.
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It was also Herrera's cross to Smalling which set up the Mata chance. Rooney would've been lauded as the second coming of Scholes for that.
Some people are just too sensitive of any criticism of Rooney. I'm not saying this is true but I won't be surprised if his PR people actually employ people to register on forums like these to defend him.
Are you for real? Saying someone "did feck all" is an expression thrown around a lot, but yesterday it actually was a fitting description for Rooney. Him losing his pace and power is one thing and most fans have accepted that.
But when a sub barley gets involved in an entire half it's worthy of critique.
Shambolic again last night. Surely he is off in the summer. One positive is that he is no longer a starter in our team. Next stage is to move the overweight ugly looking raggamufin out completely.
I think when we talk about the worth of a player to a team, it would be more relevant to compare a player's performance with the performance of other players with similar role in the team. In the case of Rooney, his worth to the team is more relevant to be judged based on his impact or contribution to the team, relative to the other attacking players in the team, rather than to compare it with some unclear standard, or his past performance.
I've always been excited whenever I saw Rooney's name in the starting line up, because I always felt that we are stronger with him in the team, and seemed to score more when he was playing. I was curious whether it was just my delusion or was there any evidence to support that. So I dig a bit and below is what i found.
I chose to compare matches when a player started and when he did not, to gauge his impact in a match, and disregard the matches when he were a sub, since the playing time were usually very short.
Numbers indicate Match-Win-Draw-Loss for competitive matches in this season until Hull City match today:
All matches : 37-22-9-6
Rooney start : 18-15-0-3 (83% win ratio)
Rooney did not start : 19-7-9-3 (37% win ratio)
Rooney started in 8 of the 10 matches in which United scored more than 2 goals.
Martial start : 16-10-3-3 (63% win ratio)
Martial did not start: 21-12-6-3 (57% win ratio)
Martial started in 5 of the 10 matches in which United scored more than 2 goals.
Mata start : 21-15-5-1 (71% win ratio)
Mata did not start: 16-7-4-5 (44% win ratio)
Mata started in 8 of the 10 matches in which United scored more than 2 goals.
I counted the numbers manually from fixtures and results stats in manutd.com, please cmiiw.
For me, the stats above does not support the opinion that United played better without Rooney, and there is actually a possible reason for Jose to play him in some matches instead of Martial or Mata.
What about the past 3 seasons? Well, Rooney was our top scorer in 2013/14 and 2014/15, and second highest scorer after Martial in 2015/16. The question is, if Rooney was poor, how about the other attackers that we had, did they do any better? If they did, how and by what standard? If most players did not play well after Sir Alex left, what is the point of focusing on one player’s poor performance during the period?
And by the way, before somebody mention it, I think his 260k a week salary is as relevant as the 515m record revenue United just announced recently. We don’t have to free it up to pay for several world class players if we can attract them to play for us.
I've always been excited whenever I saw Rooney's name in the starting line up, because I always felt that we are stronger with him in the team, and seemed to score more when he was playing. I was curious whether it was just my delusion or was there any evidence to support that. So I dig a bit and below is what i found.
I chose to compare matches when a player started and when he did not, to gauge his impact in a match, and disregard the matches when he were a sub, since the playing time were usually very short.
Numbers indicate Match-Win-Draw-Loss for competitive matches in this season until Hull City match today:
All matches : 37-22-9-6
Rooney start : 18-15-0-3 (83% win ratio)
Rooney did not start : 19-7-9-3 (37% win ratio)
Rooney started in 8 of the 10 matches in which United scored more than 2 goals.
Martial start : 16-10-3-3 (63% win ratio)
Martial did not start: 21-12-6-3 (57% win ratio)
Martial started in 5 of the 10 matches in which United scored more than 2 goals.
Mata start : 21-15-5-1 (71% win ratio)
Mata did not start: 16-7-4-5 (44% win ratio)
Mata started in 8 of the 10 matches in which United scored more than 2 goals.
I counted the numbers manually from fixtures and results stats in manutd.com, please cmiiw.
For me, the stats above does not support the opinion that United played better without Rooney, and there is actually a possible reason for Jose to play him in some matches instead of Martial or Mata.
What about the past 3 seasons? Well, Rooney was our top scorer in 2013/14 and 2014/15, and second highest scorer after Martial in 2015/16. The question is, if Rooney was poor, how about the other attackers that we had, did they do any better? If they did, how and by what standard? If most players did not play well after Sir Alex left, what is the point of focusing on one player’s poor performance during the period?
And by the way, before somebody mention it, I think his 260k a week salary is as relevant as the 515m record revenue United just announced recently. We don’t have to free it up to pay for several world class players if we can attract them to play for us.
A: Others are just as criticised for last night
B: those others may get cut more slack because they haven't been constantly poor for 3 years whilst being considered conpletely undroppable for two of them whilst giving it the old I've got nothing to prove whilst being as much use as a scouser in a discussion about anything that happened after 1985
B: those others may get cut more slack because they haven't been constantly poor for 3 years whilst being considered conpletely undroppable for two of them whilst giving it the old I've got nothing to prove whilst being as much use as a scouser in a discussion about anything that happened after 1985
Some of the Rooney defenders in this thread are laughable. People will get off his back when he plays well, which NEVER happens anymore and bar 4-5 games hasn't happened in 18 months. He is finished, like it or not. He has his record, now we need to move him on in Summer as he is now a hindrance to us.
Said it before, on current form the worst player to play more than 100 games for us, ever.
For me Rooney is heavy, slow and does not seem able to run his socks of like he did before. His touch and effect in play is not good to put it mildly, at least Mourinho has started to adress the problem by having him on the bench most of the time but he as the first sub when something is not going well just does not work. Of course he has done good things as a player in the past but his time has just come and that is not strange given the fact that he started playing at this level at age 16 and also that he does not take care of himself like a Ronaldo,Messi or Ibra do. Turning a blind eye to this does not help and United is bigger than any player, there have been far better players than Rooney that have left us and time moves on in this like in everything else. I feel we are still playing a very slow and predictable football and we need more players with pace and the ability to take on players and win the 1 vs 1 situations on the pitch. Wing play is dire and hopefully we well adress this in the summer. United can not afford to stand still and we need to clear out Rooney,Carrick,Young,Darmian,Fellaini and replace them with younger, faster players.
Reactions on here are way over the top as usual. I understand Jose bringing him on, depite his general play, he's still more likely to come up with a goal or assist than most of our other options.
So despite his general play like you say means to me that you see his play sucks do you really think a guy who´s scored 2 goals in the league this season will change things. If he is in general unable to influence play how is he going to change anything? Martial should have come on to play the left wing and Rashford pushed up alongside Rashford. The guy is on 250000 pounds per week for crying out loud, is it to much to expect that our highest paid player is able to influence games, score goals and provide assists?
Needs to go to China. Don't know why he hasn't. Does nothing now.
Despite of how bad he is, none of the others are much different. Hindsight is great but I don't think things would have worked out better with Martial or Lingard.
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he's not the major problem of this team at all
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