[Sylar]

Yep, no evidence to say Rooney doesnt look after his body when not playing. Yep, none at all.

lolz

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Especially when you've got nothing to back up your argument with.

Well he's not exactly got genetics on his side, has he?

 

[Rado_N]

Well he's not exactly got genetics on his side, has he?

Dafuq, is this behind the scenes of a new Thriller video?

 

[SirAF]

Especially when you've got nothing to back up your argument with.

Well, Rooney did just release a statement saying he's sorry.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Dafuq, is this behind the scenes of a new Thriller video?

It's a slightly unkind photo from years ago. But you can clearly see that Rooney will forever be battling the bulge.

 

[Rado_N]

It's a slightly unkind photo from years ago. But you can clearly see that Rooney will forever be battling the bulge.

It's a horrible photo!! But yea, he's definitely not a slender chap, he never has been, and it'll be no shock when he piles on the pounds when he's not got a daily training regime anymore.

 

[Dobbs]

Well he's not exactly got genetics on his side, has he?

Well, Rooney did just release a statement saying he's sorry.

Talking about the near caf concensus that he's a heavy drinker.

 

[Amar__]

Well he's not exactly got genetics on his side, has he?

Poor genetics are always good excuse for lazy people. I know lot of people who look far better than him with even worse genetics. And they keep themselves in shape just because they want to look better. He is paid to look better, training every single day, and still can't keep himself in decent shape. Didn't he admit he doesn't like gym anyway?

 

[Adisa]

For his own sake, he better stay in coaching when he quits.

 

[IBleedRed]

Who are these miracle men who only feel hungover for an hour or two in the morning?! Lucky cnuts.

Eat a banana and man up!
(and have more German genes)

 

[AndyJ1985]

For his own sake, he better stay in coaching when he quits.

He can barely keep himself fit when he trains daily and has access to state of the art facilities. By 50 he'll be looking as bad as Steve Bruce.

 

[Dion]

He should take lessons from his mum. She's probably in better shape than he is.

 

[bucky]

Who are these miracle men who only feel hungover for an hour or two in the morning?! Lucky cnuts.

*Raises hand*

 

[Raees]

Nights out aside, Wayne Rooney is not fit enough for Southgate’s England

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/nov/16/wayne-rooney-gareth-southgate-england

 

[dichinero]

Well he's not exactly got genetics on his side, has he?

Very little excuse on his part regarding genetics. Former fitness coach for United, Mick Clegg said that while Ronaldo was finding new creative ways to break new grounds in his fitness and training regime, Rooney was simply was simply uninterested. And I quote "He did not see any benefit of the gym"

 

[prath92]

Is it condemnation that a professional athlete should be responsible for the tool of his trade? You are just making up stuff now. I clearly stated that it was a sacrifice that had to be made. All working people have to give up a pleasure that can have an adverse effectiveness on their profession. And at £300k/w, I don't see how looking after yourself in a professional is really a massive sacrifice. If at all he was a slave to the bottle, there is discrete professional help these days. You make it sound like getting smashed up is the only way to blow off some steam. He's not a teenager anymore, he a grown man. The captain of England and Manchester United, if you don't think that it's a huge honour and responsibility, too bad! You don't think that it's a huge sacrifice that Ronaldo treats his body the way it is? Ronaldo is not allergic to alcohol by the way but chose not to drink because it killed his father and he had the desire to be the best. It should worry you that these shared the same training ground at the most important moments of their respective careers. Ronaldo is not a fitness freak, he is simply doing what most many athletes should be doing and are aspiring to do and are actually doing. It is incredibly naive to think that sports science hasn't evolved since the 70s to bring up names like George Best. Consuming alcohol as a paid professional is frowned upon by those in the sports circle.

And I repeat, sure at £300k/w, will it not be responsible to 20k/y for a PT or seek professional help if he has an alcohol problem. Bellamy did it in the season e tore us one at 34 years of age. Players seek out the best nutritionist to help them kill bad habits an improve them outside the training ground. Aguero talked about how Messi constantly makes recommendations to him. Will you say that there isn't enough help at the Barcelona or City training ground? Of course there is but the onus is on the players to get the extra help. Being this responsible is not a genetic trait, it's an attitude. So please tell me where the condemnation is? Who knows how much he smashes himself at home in private.

What is worse is that you have conveniently ignored the fact that he is actively nursing an injury with a few days to an important match. It's not like he is in terrific form. At what point did he have to stop and think and say "My team mates have been under fire lately, as the captain I must sacrifice this one night of drinking, recover quicker, better myself, help my team in what ever way I can". Is that too much to ask. Instead you are trying to justify him going to celebrate one victory over Scotland by gate crashing a party because you are a celebrity, doing your body harm, risking your chances of helping your team and publicly shaming the organisation you represent.

You way of countering my points was to compare him with 3 of the greatest footballing legends in Ronaldinho, Maradona and Best whose eras where decades ago. Compared him with 2 of the greatest captains that have ever graced English football in Keane and Adams. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were trying to say that Rooney was in the same category as this guys other than the drinking.

A hangover lasts one day for you, good. But I am guessing that you are not a professional athlete that needs his body to operating at 100% the next day. We are talking about an aging player, in poor shape, with a hang over that may last two days, hereby causing to miss two days of training, whereas he should be trying not only to be fit but nurse a supposedly minor injury ahead of a tough game. I don't drink but I'm not that naive, my friend!

I don't think he is more of a drinker than most footballers. You say it's a sacrifice to be made but very very few of them do. I can only think of Phil Neville Darren Fletcher and Ronaldo. So your whole point of 'professional footballers should not drink alcohol' is pretty moot. Even guardiola regularly used to go and get drunk during Oktoberfest when he was at Bayern and all the players used to too. This is nothing new. You seem to think that footballers are angels who never drink or have vices. There are few who don't.

Surely Ronaldinho isn't an old example. His issues were around 2009 or so, about 7 years ago. There's also bastian who now seems like he has taken no care of his body. My point there was that better players than Rooney have been following lifestyle worse than him. Meaning it's not surprising that footballers don't take care of themselves. Very few seemingly do. It's quite clear I didn't say they were the same especially when I specifically mentioned that they are better players.

Ronaldo isn't a fitness freak? He certainly is. He reportedly spends about 4 hours working out. I doubt there are many football players who do that. And what are you trying to say, that England captain shouldn't get drunk? Countless England captains have got drunk and done worse. Rooney reportedly was drunk with jagielka who also captains the team often in Rooney's absence and his club too.

And another nonsense is what example he seems to be setting. Countless youngsters, recently pereira and rashford say that Rooney is among the hardest workers in the squad. Clearly a bad influence I'm sure. I'm all for benching him on form (which we have been doing anyway) but this is nonsense frankly.

 

[shamans]

Poor genetics are always good excuse for lazy people. I know lot of people who look far better than him with even worse genetics. And they keep themselves in shape just because they want to look better. He is paid to look better, training every single day, and still can't keep himself in decent shape. Didn't he admit he doesn't like gym anyway?

Rooney aside that is BS. There is scientific evidence and research as to just how much of a role genetics has to play. Yeah in 99% cases you can fight them but the mountain is tougher for some than others.

 

[dichinero]

I don't think he is more of a drinker than most footballers. You say it's a sacrifice to be made but very very few of them do. I can only think of Phil Neville Darren Fletcher and Ronaldo. So your whole point of 'professional footballers should not drink alcohol' is pretty moot. Even guardiola regularly used to go and get drunk during Oktoberfest when he was at Bayern and all the players used to too. This is nothing new. You seem to think that footballers are angels who never drink or have vices. There are few who don't.

Surely Ronaldinho isn't an old example. His issues were around 2009 or so, about 7 years ago. There's also bastian who now seems like he has taken no care of his body. My point there was that better players than Rooney have been following lifestyle worse than him. Meaning it's not surprising that footballers don't take care of themselves. Very few seemingly do. It's quite clear I didn't say they were the same especially when I specifically mentioned that they are better players.

Ronaldo isn't a fitness freak? He certainly is. He reportedly spends about 4 hours working out. I doubt there are many football players who do that. And what are you trying to say, that England captain shouldn't get drunk? Countless England captains have got drunk and done worse. Rooney reportedly was drunk with jagielka who also captains the team often in Rooney's absence and his club too.

And another nonsense is what example he seems to be setting. Countless youngsters, recently pereira and rashford say that Rooney is among the hardest workers in the squad. Clearly a bad influence I'm sure. I'm all for benching him on form (which we have been doing anyway) but this is nonsense frankly.

• My friend, you are just rehashing the same thing over and over again! You keep repeating the same line, "many better players this, countless captains that..." Other than the pointless citations of Maradona, Best, Ronaldinho, Keane and Tony Adams which I find absurd that you put them and Wayne Rooney in the same sentence in the capacity that you have, frankly speaking, you are yet to give a decent name.
• You say very few footballers make that sacrifice of not drinking, please name me many that don't. I have it on good authority that even Phil Neville said that no player should be drinking, talk less of being drunk a week before a game. This was in reference to bloody Salford FC players, let alone PL players. Stan Collymore, an ex pro who played in the yesteryears when drinking was allowed, gave an interview that he finds it absurd that Rooney even got drunk. The guy was literally asking for Rooney to find help if necessary. He also said that the modern physios do not accept drinking.
• Please, what evidence do you have that Pep got drunk or allowed his players to get drunk? Oktoberfest is a ritual that even Pep cannot change, so it is an acceptable anomaly. This is the same Pep that was apparently humiliated by Messi who drank a solitary can of coke 3 hours before a match! The same Pep that apparently bans sexual intercourse for his players on the eve of games. The same Pep that off'd Nasri because he packed a small amount of weight, even though he admitted that the player had lost the bulk of it before the season. I dare any City player to be caught drinking, let alone on a bender.
• You cite Ronaldinho and his off the field behaviour literally cost him his job despite him still performing a levels much higher than Rooney can currently dream off. This is the great Ronaldinho we are talking about so I don't see your point. Rooney should be rightly fired then?
• Schweinstiger hasn't been taking care of his body. Is it because of bad off field habits or just lack of training due to his injury prone nature? There is no evidence that he ever had any off field incidents in his career to my knowledge. You think Rooney is the only player that has clocked 1000s of miles on his body clock from a young age? Bastian says hi! Just another post trying to put down another player to justify Rooney imo.
• Please name a better player that is leading a worse lifestyle than Rooney at the moment, please I beg you!
• When I said Ronaldo is not a fitness freak, I meant that that he is training in a way that is accessible to all players should that aspire to train that way. Ronaldo was never a physical specimen, he knuckled down and did the job and sacrificed himself. Credit must go to his work ethic as opposed to his genetics. All the testament about Ronaldo has always been down to his graft and his desire, and almost nothing to do with genetics. He is not a genetic anomaly, he is in inspiration that hardwork pays off and I'm sure that there are thousands of footballers that have been inspired by him and emulate his ethic. Whether they have the ability and opportunities to match is a different story altogether.
• Yet again the same thing. Countless England captains have done worse. Please name them? What era where they playing in? What culture were they playing in? Why do feel the need to compare a player in 2016 to another player 2/3 decades ago? Why can't you compare him to his peers? Compare him to Zlatan? To Ronaldo? To Messi? To Bale? Surely, they all have similar reputations? Keane this, Keane that! When Rooney can lead as half as Keane did then he can buy a brewery tomorrow. Did ever look as unfit to you? Just trying to put down other players to justify Rooney, yet again!
• Rooney was drunk with Jagielka. You seem to have a knack for dragging other players. What business do we have with Jagielka? You are sounding like Moyes now. Besides, there was nothing that said that Jagielka ever drank. He was there and that is it! I would not be surprised if Jagielka did not drink because Koeman would not stand for it. Unlike Rooney, Jagielka still has something to prove as he is not as indispensable for club and country. Please leave poor Jagielka out of this. Jagielka is not the captain of England and United, it's not his job to set an example for Rooney. Funny it was the injured player that got drunk, not the fit one!
• Countless players back Wayne Rooney working hard based on interviews in the last 2 years from his colleagues. Now, in that time frame point out the evidence of this unbiased praise of their power wielding captain on the pitch. Has it ever occurred to you why every interview with a United player must include that Rooney is the banter guy in the dressing room and the hardest working player at United? They literally say the same line all the time. What we need are unbiased views and I would rather stand upon the reports of Mick Clegg, our ex fitness coach and other coaches who have come out with less than impressive reports about Rooney's ethic in training. This was all under Fergie's regime. If you think that Rooney with his new found power at OT will be extra motivated then , my friend that is just naive. Same player that apparently reported for training with alcohol in his blood, not for the first time? Please if you have a son that wants to play football, do not let him look up to Wayne Rooney, set a higher standard for him.
• Please find me a physio of a PL club that would condone drinking, let alone getting drunk! Frankly, I'm surprised with the nonchalant attitude of fans regarding this incident or maybe it's just naivety. That is is ok for a paid professional at the highest level should be allowed to do harm with tools of his trade! Then I'm not surprised at the double standards at this club. Let me remind of a few incidents, of lesser misdemeanours;

1. Sterling was reprimanded for using laughing gas. Swindon players were fined and suspended for using laughing gas,
2. Wilshhere was reprimanded and publicly criticised by Arsenal Wenger for smoking,
3. Agbolanhor was stripped off the captaincy for allegedly doing shisha in Dubai. A club grown player.

All of these happened on their holidays, I believe. Not their days off but on holiday. How much more drinking that has an immediate effect during the season.

If you think that it unacceptable to expect the highest standards from the highest paid player in football then maybe you should stick to darts and poker with all due respect.

QED

 

[7dan]

I don't think he is more of a drinker than most footballers. You say it's a sacrifice to be made but very very few of them do. I can only think of Phil Neville Darren Fletcher and Ronaldo. So your whole point of 'professional footballers should not drink alcohol' is pretty moot. Even guardiola regularly used to go and get drunk during Oktoberfest when he was at Bayern and all the players used to too. This is nothing new. You seem to think that footballers are angels who never drink or have vices. There are few who don't.

Surely Ronaldinho isn't an old example. His issues were around 2009 or so, about 7 years ago. There's also bastian who now seems like he has taken no care of his body. My point there was that better players than Rooney have been following lifestyle worse than him. Meaning it's not surprising that footballers don't take care of themselves. Very few seemingly do. It's quite clear I didn't say they were the same especially when I specifically mentioned that they are better players.

Ronaldo isn't a fitness freak? He certainly is. He reportedly spends about 4 hours working out. I doubt there are many football players who do that. And what are you trying to say, that England captain shouldn't get drunk? Countless England captains have got drunk and done worse. Rooney reportedly was drunk with jagielka who also captains the team often in Rooney's absence and his club too.

And another nonsense is what example he seems to be setting. Countless youngsters, recently pereira and rashford say that Rooney is among the hardest workers in the squad. Clearly a bad influence I'm sure. I'm all for benching him on form (which we have been doing anyway) but this is nonsense frankly.

I dont think anybody is saying footballers cant/shouldn't drink, but there is a difference between drinking sociably where he could have had 2 or 3 after the Scotland game to unwind and getting smashed till the early hours of the morning, in turn knocking at least a day off his recovery timeline for Arsenal.

Here's how i look at it: He is in a career defining bad run of form, and lets say he did pick up a knock in the Scotland game, he had a couple of choices:

1) Have 1 or 2 beers (3 if he is feeling naughty) reflect on the Scotland game and unwind etc. Then his focus should be on getting in the best possible shape for Saturday to prove he is not finished and set an example. Surely if he had a knock from Scotland he would have been booked in for some sort of physio the next day?

2) Get pissed till the next morning, therefore taking at least a day off his recovery/preparation time for the arsenal game.

I cant understand how people defend the choice he made? Is he not pissed off at his season so far and at how is performances have nose dived? I don't know, i'm baffled by it tbh

 

[Raees]

• My friend, you are just rehashing the same thing over and over again! You keep repeating the same line, "many better players this, countless captains that..." Other than the pointless citations of Maradona, Best, Ronaldinho, Keane and Tony Adams which I find absurd that you put them and Wayne Rooney in the same sentence in the capacity that you have, frankly speaking, you are yet to give a decent name.
• You say very few footballers make that sacrifice of not drinking, please name me many that don't. I have it on good authority that even Phil Neville said that no player should be drinking, talk less of being drunk a week before a game. This was in reference to bloody Salford FC players, let alone PL players. Stan Collymore, an ex pro who played in the yesteryears when drinking was allowed, gave an interview that he finds it absurd that Rooney even got drunk. The guy was literally asking for Rooney to find help if necessary. He also said that the modern physios do not accept drinking.
• Please, what evidence do you have that Pep got drunk or allowed his players to get drunk? Oktoberfest is a ritual that even Pep cannot change, so it is an acceptable anomaly. This is the same Pep that apparently humiliated by Messi who drank a solitary can of coke 3 hours before a match! The same Pep that apparently bans sexual intercourse for his players on the eve of games. The same Pep that off'd Basti because he packed a small amount of weight, even though he admitted that the player had lost the bulk of it before the season. I dare any City player to be caught drinking, let alone on a bender.
• You cite Ronaldinho and his off the field behaviour literally cost him his job despite him still performing a levels much higher than Rooney can currently dream off. This is the great Ronaldinho we are talking about so I don't see your point. Rooney should be rightly fired then?
• Schweinstiger hasn't been taking care of his body. Is it because of bad off field habits or just lack of training due to his injury prone nature? There is no evidence that he ever had any off field incidents in his career to my knowledge. You think Rooney is the only player that has clocked 1000s of miles on his body clock from a young age? Bastian says hi! Just another post trying to put down another player to justify Rooney imo.
• Please name a better player that is leading a worse lifestyle than Rooney at the moment, please I beg you!
• When I said Ronaldo is not a fitness freak, I meant that that he is training in a way that is accessible to all players should that aspire to train that way. Ronaldo was never a physical specimen, he knuckled down and did the job and sacrificed himself. Credit must go to his work ethic as opposed to his genetics. All the testament about Ronaldo has always been down to his graft and his desire, and almost nothing to do with genetics. He is not a genetic anomaly, he is in inspiration that hardwork pays off and I'm sure that there are thousands of footballers that have been inspired by him and emulate his ethic. Whether they have the ability and opportunities to match is a different story altogether.
• Yet again the same thing. Countless England captains have done worse. Please name them? What era where they playing in? What culture were they playing in? Why do feel the need to compare a player in 2016 to another player 2/3 decades ago? Why can't you compare him to his peers? Compare him to Zlatan? To Ronaldo? To Messi? To Bale? Surely, they all have similar reputations? Keane this, Keane that! When Rooney can lead as half as Keane did then he can buy a brewery tomorrow. Did ever look as unfit to you? Just trying to put down other players to justify Rooney, yet again!
• Rooney was drunk with Jagielka. You seem to have a knack for dragging other players. What business do we have with Jagielka? You are sounding like Moyes now. Besides, there was nothing that said that Jagielka ever drank. He was there and that is it! I would not be surprised if Jagielka did not drink because Koeman would not stand for it. Unlike Rooney, Jagielka still has something to prove as he is not as indispensable for club and country. Please leave poor Jagielka out of this. Jagielka is not the captain of England and United, it's not his job to set an example for Rooney. Funny it was the injured player that got drunk, not the fit one!
• Countless players back Wayne Rooney working hard based on interviews in the last 2 years from his colleagues. Now, in that time frame point out the evidence of this unbiased praise of their power wielding captain on the pitch. Has it ever occurred to you why every interview with a United player must include that Rooney is the banter guy in the dressing room and the hardest working player at United? They literally say the same line all the time. What we need are unbiased views and I would rather stand upon the reports of Mick Clegg, our ex fitness coach and other coaches who have come out with less than impressive reports about Rooney's ethic in training. This was all under Fergie's regime. If you think that Rooney with his new found power at OT will be extra motivated then , my friend that is just naive. Same player that apparently reported for training with alcohol in his blood, not for the first time? Please if you have a son that wants to play football, do not let him look up to Wayne Rooney, set a higher standard for him.
• Please find me a physio of a PL club that would condone drinking, let alone getting drunk! Frankly, I'm surprised with the nonchalant attitude of fans regarding this incident or maybe it's just naivety. That is is ok for a paid professional at the highest level should be allowed to do harm with tools of his trade! Then I'm not surprised at the double standards at this club. Let me remind of a few incidents, of lesser misdemeanours;

1. Sterling was reprimanded for using laughing gas. Swindon players were fined and suspended for using laughing gas,
2. Wilshhere was reprimanded and publicly criticised by Arsenal Wenger for smoking,
3. Agbolanhor was stripped off the captaincy for allegedly doing shisha in Dubai. A club grown player.

All of these happened on their holidays, I believe. Not their days off but on holiday. How much more drinking that has an immediate effect during the season.

If you think that it unacceptable to expect the highest standards from the highest paid player in football then maybe you should stick to darts and poker with all due respect.

QED

Wonderful post

 

[Adam-Utd]

People seem to be missing the key differences.

He didn't just have 2/3 pints over a night chilling out, he got so drunk he could hardly stand or talk, staying up until 5 am!

They say he couldn't train the next day because of a slight knee injury, more like he wasn't awake early enough and was nursing a hang over.

No wonder Southgate didn't want him playing against Spain.


It worries me that Wayne is probably doing this every weekend, it explains why sometimes he looks so slow and heavy, he's literally playing with a hangover.

People say there's no evidence of him having a drink problem, but he's been spotted smoking regularly on holidays, he got banned for a game by Fergie for getting drunk the night before training.

He's just clearly unproffesional when it comes to preparing for game. He thinks he can do that and be 100% ready for the game, maybe when he was 18 he could but not anymore.

Could you see Ibra/Ronaldo/Messi/Iniesta and the rest doing it? no bloody way. There's a reason he looks about 40 now.

 

[prath92]

• My friend, you are just rehashing the same thing over and over again! You keep repeating the same line, "many better players this, countless captains that..." Other than the pointless citations of Maradona, Best, Ronaldinho, Keane and Tony Adams which I find absurd that you put them and Wayne Rooney in the same sentence in the capacity that you have, frankly speaking, you are yet to give a decent name.
• You say very few footballers make that sacrifice of not drinking, please name me many that don't. I have it on good authority that even Phil Neville said that no player should be drinking, talk less of being drunk a week before a game. This was in reference to bloody Salford FC players, let alone PL players. Stan Collymore, an ex pro who played in the yesteryears when drinking was allowed, gave an interview that he finds it absurd that Rooney even got drunk. The guy was literally asking for Rooney to find help if necessary. He also said that the modern physios do not accept drinking.
• Please, what evidence do you have that Pep got drunk or allowed his players to get drunk? Oktoberfest is a ritual that even Pep cannot change, so it is an acceptable anomaly. This is the same Pep that apparently humiliated by Messi who drank a solitary can of coke 3 hours before a match! The same Pep that apparently bans sexual intercourse for his players on the eve of games. The same Pep that off'd Basti because he packed a small amount of weight, even though he admitted that the player had lost the bulk of it before the season. I dare any City player to be caught drinking, let alone on a bender.
• You cite Ronaldinho and his off the field behaviour literally cost him his job despite him still performing a levels much higher than Rooney can currently dream off. This is the great Ronaldinho we are talking about so I don't see your point. Rooney should be rightly fired then?
• Schweinstiger hasn't been taking care of his body. Is it because of bad off field habits or just lack of training due to his injury prone nature? There is no evidence that he ever had any off field incidents in his career to my knowledge. You think Rooney is the only player that has clocked 1000s of miles on his body clock from a young age? Bastian says hi! Just another post trying to put down another player to justify Rooney imo.
• Please name a better player that is leading a worse lifestyle than Rooney at the moment, please I beg you!
• When I said Ronaldo is not a fitness freak, I meant that that he is training in a way that is accessible to all players should that aspire to train that way. Ronaldo was never a physical specimen, he knuckled down and did the job and sacrificed himself. Credit must go to his work ethic as opposed to his genetics. All the testament about Ronaldo has always been down to his graft and his desire, and almost nothing to do with genetics. He is not a genetic anomaly, he is in inspiration that hardwork pays off and I'm sure that there are thousands of footballers that have been inspired by him and emulate his ethic. Whether they have the ability and opportunities to match is a different story altogether.
• Yet again the same thing. Countless England captains have done worse. Please name them? What era where they playing in? What culture were they playing in? Why do feel the need to compare a player in 2016 to another player 2/3 decades ago? Why can't you compare him to his peers? Compare him to Zlatan? To Ronaldo? To Messi? To Bale? Surely, they all have similar reputations? Keane this, Keane that! When Rooney can lead as half as Keane did then he can buy a brewery tomorrow. Did ever look as unfit to you? Just trying to put down other players to justify Rooney, yet again!
• Rooney was drunk with Jagielka. You seem to have a knack for dragging other players. What business do we have with Jagielka? You are sounding like Moyes now. Besides, there was nothing that said that Jagielka ever drank. He was there and that is it! I would not be surprised if Jagielka did not drink because Koeman would not stand for it. Unlike Rooney, Jagielka still has something to prove as he is not as indispensable for club and country. Please leave poor Jagielka out of this. Jagielka is not the captain of England and United, it's not his job to set an example for Rooney. Funny it was the injured player that got drunk, not the fit one!
• Countless players back Wayne Rooney working hard based on interviews in the last 2 years from his colleagues. Now, in that time frame point out the evidence of this unbiased praise of their power wielding captain on the pitch. Has it ever occurred to you why every interview with a United player must include that Rooney is the banter guy in the dressing room and the hardest working player at United? They literally say the same line all the time. What we need are unbiased views and I would rather stand upon the reports of Mick Clegg, our ex fitness coach and other coaches who have come out with less than impressive reports about Rooney's ethic in training. This was all under Fergie's regime. If you think that Rooney with his new found power at OT will be extra motivated then , my friend that is just naive. Same player that apparently reported for training with alcohol in his blood, not for the first time? Please if you have a son that wants to play football, do not let him look up to Wayne Rooney, set a higher standard for him.
• Please find me a physio of a PL club that would condone drinking, let alone getting drunk! Frankly, I'm surprised with the nonchalant attitude of fans regarding this incident or maybe it's just naivety. That is is ok for a paid professional at the highest level should be allowed to do harm with tools of his trade! Then I'm not surprised at the double standards at this club. Let me remind of a few incidents, of lesser misdemeanours;

1. Sterling was reprimanded for using laughing gas. Swindon players were fined and suspended for using laughing gas,
2. Wilshhere was reprimanded and publicly criticised by Arsenal Wenger for smoking,
3. Agbolanhor was stripped off the captaincy for allegedly doing shisha in Dubai. A club grown player.

All of these happened on their holidays, I believe. Not their days off but on holiday. How much more drinking that has an immediate effect during the season.

If you think that it unacceptable to expect the highest standards from the highest paid player in football then maybe you should stick to darts and poker with all due respect.

QED

My issue is not that what rooney did was wrong. Its the fact that you now seem to assume that he hasnt been taking football seriously when he clearly has (again unless they have a contractual obligation to say rooney at least 3 or 4 times in each interview without any questions about him). You make it seem as if he has been missing games frequently due to drinking. And that he doesnt work hard in training. Pereira in an interview recently was asked who is the hardest trainer at united and he said Rooney. So either he gets drunk on a daily basis and still manages to be the best in training or that he actually takes training very seriously [i guess you could also choose to believe that Pereira has been contractually obligated to bring up rooney for no reason (in a squad of 25 players) in an interview with a third party newspaper like you always assume]. Herrera has also pretty much echoed this in an interview with Sid Lowe (its probably on the first page of the caf even now) where he goes on and on about him. again you could believe he was being nice. Your choice

My point is simple. Im sure Wayne drinks. As does most players including Messi, Bale etc. I dont care what they do in their private lives as long as it is legal. But if that affects with training, then its not acceptable. Clearly going by his peers comments, it doesnt seem to affect his training. Berbatov used to be a chain smoker yet it didnt matter to fergie as it didnt affect his game much. Frankly you are the one being naive here. Mick Clegg said Rooney doesnt train as much as Ronaldo did. Even Messi probably doesnt train as much as Ronaldo does. The guy gets high on working out.

Rooney has always been like this according to you, yet he is one of the top scorers of the club and country. He is also probably one of the highly decorated footballer's of his generation too. You dont get to that way by not taking football seriously.

And I see you still think that im comparing Rooney and George Best. I have been mentioning in every post but apparently English comprehension isnt your strong suit. Fair Enough.

I dont think anybody is saying footballers cant/shouldn't drink, but there is a difference between drinking sociably where he could have had 2 or 3 after the Scotland game to unwind and getting smashed till the early hours of the morning, in turn knocking at least a day off his recovery timeline for Arsenal.

Here's how i look at it: He is in a career defining bad run of form, and lets say he did pick up a knock in the Scotland game, he had a couple of choices:

1) Have 1 or 2 beers (3 if he is feeling naughty) reflect on the Scotland game and unwind etc. Then his focus should be on getting in the best possible shape for Saturday to prove he is not finished and set an example. Surely if he had a knock from Scotland he would have been booked in for some sort of physio the next day?

2) Get pissed till the next morning, therefore taking at least a day off his recovery/preparation time for the arsenal game.

I cant understand how people defend the choice he made? Is he not pissed off at his season so far and at how is performances have nose dived? I don't know, i'm baffled by it tbh

if you are worried about the arsenal game, then surely there is nothing needs a day to recover, that would mean he could train by monday? especially when he is in london and manchester is what 2 hours away at worst?

Going by his last game, he seemed to do better against Swansea so i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt till the arsenal game to show if he is good or not. Either way if mourinho feels he isnt fit enough to start, he wont. Simple. Mourinho has been benching him all season for rashford and ibra so its not like he wont be willing to do that. Unless you want him to start, when you feel he has been playing poorly, over rashford?

Its highly far fetched to think drinking on saturday night would affect the game next saturday night (7 days away). Its completely illogical.

 

[Barnslig]

Rooney aside that is BS. There is scientific evidence and research as to just how much of a role genetics has to play. Yeah in 99% cases you can fight them but the mountain is tougher for some than others.

Id like to see that, because according to doctors here in Norway, and that I've read about online that is not true. As long as you use more energy than you ingest, you will loose weight. My brother is very obese, and I have spent numerous hours with him on this topic.

 

[Joga Bonito]

He is also probably one of the highly decorated footballer's of his generation too. You dont get to that way by not taking football seriously.

You also don't get to the state Rooney is in right now (physically and footballing wise), if you take your fitness and football seriously.

 

[Born2Lose]

Totally unsurprised, a truly depressing sign of the times that this guy is our captain. Can't believe there are some still defending him.

Hope Mourinho steamrolls his way through our rotten squad.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-home-does-leave-country-s-captain-now.html

Rooney's manifesto of what an England player should be

'Obviously, you stay in the hotel to sleep, but the rest is up to you. The lads know they are playing for England. They know what they should do.

'They must have discipline and respect for their team-mates, the manager and the fans. They have to be able to be trusted. I don't think there would be any issues. And if there are any issues, you send the player home.'

 

[Raees]

Rumour is he will be dropped for Arsenal game.

 

[prath92]

You also don't get to the state Rooney is in right now (physically and footballing wise), if you take your fitness and football seriously.

To be fair, it differs between players. Some players have more in their stock whereas some don't. Casillas looks finished at 34 yet VdS played at a high level till 40. Cantona decided he was done at 30 whereas sheringham played till what 37? Bastian schweinsteiger with his injuries is finished by 32 but Scholes who also had lengthy injuries by 30 played on till 37. Eto'o was effectively done by 30 too iirc.

 

[krombacher92]

To be fair, it differs between players. Some players have more in their stock whereas some don't. Casillas looks finished at 34 yet VdS played at a high level till 40. Cantona decided he was done at 30 whereas sheringham played till what 37? Bastian schweinsteiger with his injuries is finished by 32 but Scholes who also had lengthy injuries by 30 played on till 37. Eto'o was effectively done by 30 too iirc.

Yeah but in reality he was about 97 by that time.
Lol

 

[Sky1981]

What a load of tosh

Any decent salary man and even labor worker has to come to work sober. Let alone getting pissed up mid week and there's people think that's ok? Try getting to work in a hungover and tell me you're doing your job.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Totally unsurprised, a truly depressing sign of the times that this guy is our captain. Can't believe there are some still defending him.

Hope Mourinho steamrolls his way through our rotten squad.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-home-does-leave-country-s-captain-now.html

Rooney's manifesto of what an England player should be

amazing quote! shame he doesn't read it himself.

 

[Pexbo]

Totally unsurprised, a truly depressing sign of the times that this guy is our captain. Can't believe there are some still defending him.

Hope Mourinho steamrolls his way through our rotten squad.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-home-does-leave-country-s-captain-now.html

Rooney's manifesto of what an England player should be

Holy shit, that is gold.

 

[NinjaFletch]

I'm caught in two minds a bit on this.

On the one hand, I really don't care about players drinking as long as it isn't a problem for them and I don't know enough about Rooney, beyond hearsay and rumour, to suggest if he does have a problem with it.

On the other, Rooney's form and fitness issues are well known the fact he did this in what could arguably be the most important couple of months of his career suggests an attitude to his profession thats indicative of a larger problem. His own time is his own, but would it not be expected that him losing his place in the United squad should see him knuckle down and work hard to get back in? At the very least, the timing of these photos and this night out are a huge own goal for Rooney.

Either way its a particularly poor image to see your club and country's captain who is currently undergoing a crisis of form and fitness on the lash and seemingly not bothered about his current issues.

 

[Joga Bonito]

To be fair, it differs between players. Some players have more in their stock whereas some don't. Casillas looks finished at 34 yet VdS played at a high level till 40. Cantona decided he was done at 30 whereas sheringham played till what 37? Bastian schweinsteiger with his injuries is finished by 32 but Scholes who also had lengthy injuries by 30 played on till 37. Eto'o was effectively done by 30 too iirc.

Of course it does, with several factors at play here. However, there's no denying that one's professionalism and approach towards their fitness levels rank pretty high up there, alongside injuries etc. We can't really be sure as to how much his long-term injuries etc have impacted Rooney, but there is no doubt that his professionalism and attitude towards his fitness levels are pretty appalling and have contributed to his decline heavily. Goes without saying that the likes of Ronaldinho, Best etc weren't exactly the greatest of professionals either, and they were rightly derided for it, just as Rooney is currently being criticized too. Of course, the level of criticism varies from individual to individual, and Rooney can only dream of reaching the levels of those players, which means they are naturally given more leeway, rightly or wrongly.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

"England bans night outs for players on International Duty"

Shouldn't this have been a thing, in general?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm caught in two minds a bit on this.

On the one hand, I really don't care about players drinking as long as it isn't a problem for them and I don't know enough about Rooney, beyond hearsay and rumour, to suggest if he does have a problem with it.

On the other, Rooney's form and fitness issues are well known the fact he did this in what could arguably be the most important couple of months of his career suggests an attitude to his profession thats indicative of a larger problem. His own time is his own, but would it not be expected that him losing his place in the United squad should see him knuckle down and work hard to get back in? At the very least, the timing of these photos and this night out are a huge own goal for Rooney.

Either way its a particularly poor image to see your club and country's captain who is currently undergoing a crisis of form and fitness on the lash and seemingly not bothered about his current issues.

That's the real killer. Either he genuinely believes staying up all night boozing immediately after a match won't have any impact on his ability to be at his very best (and he definitely knows he has a point to prove right now) in training this week or he does know but went on a bender anyway. Either scenario is bad news tbh.

 

[Jazz]

It looks to me like Rooney doesn't have the desire or hunger to play football anymore. He just doesn't look happy to me.
I believe he hangs in there because of status and of course his huge contract - doubt he or his agent want to give up all that money. Maybe it's more he's in two minds more than he doesn't give a shit?
I dunno, but he's not what our club needs, especially when we're struggling so much.

 

[dichinero]

My issue is not that what rooney did was wrong. Its the fact that you now seem to assume that he hasnt been taking football seriously when he clearly has (again unless they have a contractual obligation to say rooney at least 3 or 4 times in each interview without any questions about him). You make it seem as if he has been missing games frequently due to drinking. And that he doesnt work hard in training. Pereira in an interview recently was asked who is the hardest trainer at united and he said Rooney. So either he gets drunk on a daily basis and still manages to be the best in training or that he actually takes training very seriously [i guess you could also choose to believe that Pereira has been contractually obligated to bring up rooney for no reason (in a squad of 25 players) in an interview with a third party newspaper like you always assume]. Herrera has also pretty much echoed this in an interview with Sid Lowe (its probably on the first page of the caf even now) where he goes on and on about him. again you could believe he was being nice. Your choice

My point is simple. Im sure Wayne drinks. As does most players including Messi, Bale etc. I dont care what they do in their private lives as long as it is legal. But if that affects with training, then its not acceptable. Clearly going by his peers comments, it doesnt seem to affect his training. Berbatov used to be a chain smoker yet it didnt matter to fergie as it didnt affect his game much. Frankly you are the one being naive here. Mick Clegg said Rooney doesnt train as much as Ronaldo did. Even Messi probably doesnt train as much as Ronaldo does. The guy gets high on working out.

Rooney has always been like this according to you, yet he is one of the top scorers of the club and country. He is also probably one of the highly decorated footballer's of his generation too. You dont get to that way by not taking football seriously.

And I see you still think that im comparing Rooney and George Best. I have been mentioning in every post but apparently English comprehension isnt your strong suit. Fair Enough.

You are desperately clutching at straws here it's ridiculous.I have stated with facts the standards that ex pros have stated regarding his behaviour and it's still the same old Pereira and Herrera interview.

I make it seem that he has missed games due to his misbehaviours? I made that up? If you don't have a clue on something, don't come and act like a pro. Everyone knows he's missed a good number of games due to his drinking misdemeanours.

So either he gets drunk on a daily basis and still manages to be the best in training or that he actually takes training very seriously

You can't be proud that you made that above statement, seriously can't!

You are done with Maradona, Ronaldinho, Best, Keane and Adams now you have brought in Bale and Messi. Awesome comedy value. For the umpteenth time, provide one piece of evidence that Messi and Bale have done a Rooney, just one!

I did not mention that Clegg said Rooney doesn't train as much as Ronaldo, heck the guys said Rooney did not see the importance of the gym. What does Messi not training as much Ronaldo have to do with this? You've brought Messi into the picture too?

Once again, since you are the one with the English language as his strongest suit, do you still want that gold star? So petty and childish to talk about someone's mastery of the English language behind the protection of the screen, just because they disagree with your views on Wayne Rooney!

 

[Creepy]

Rumour is he will be dropped for Arsenal game.

Where did you hear that mate?

Could you be kind and post a link, please.

If you can't, is he going to be dropped from the 18 man squad or benched?

Cheers.

 

[psychdelicblues]

My issue is not that what rooney did was wrong. Its the fact that you now seem to assume that he hasnt been taking football seriously when he clearly has (again unless they have a contractual obligation to say rooney at least 3 or 4 times in each interview without any questions about him). You make it seem as if he has been missing games frequently due to drinking. And that he doesnt work hard in training. Pereira in an interview recently was asked who is the hardest trainer at united and he said Rooney. So either he gets drunk on a daily basis and still manages to be the best in training or that he actually takes training very seriously [i guess you could also choose to believe that Pereira has been contractually obligated to bring up rooney for no reason (in a squad of 25 players) in an interview with a third party newspaper like you always assume]. Herrera has also pretty much echoed this in an interview with Sid Lowe (its probably on the first page of the caf even now) where he goes on and on about him. again you could believe he was being nice. Your choice

My point is simple. Im sure Wayne drinks. As does most players including Messi, Bale etc. I dont care what they do in their private lives as long as it is legal. But if that affects with training, then its not acceptable. Clearly going by his peers comments, it doesnt seem to affect his training. Berbatov used to be a chain smoker yet it didnt matter to fergie as it didnt affect his game much. Frankly you are the one being naive here. Mick Clegg said Rooney doesnt train as much as Ronaldo did. Even Messi probably doesnt train as much as Ronaldo does. The guy gets high on working out.

Rooney has always been like this according to you, yet he is one of the top scorers of the club and country. He is also probably one of the highly decorated footballer's of his generation too. You dont get to that way by not taking football seriously.

And I see you still think that im comparing Rooney and George Best. I have been mentioning in every post but apparently English comprehension isnt your strong suit. Fair Enough.



if you are worried about the arsenal game, then surely there is nothing needs a day to recover, that would mean he could train by monday? especially when he is in london and manchester is what 2 hours away at worst?

Going by his last game, he seemed to do better against Swansea so i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt till the arsenal game to show if he is good or not. Either way if mourinho feels he isnt fit enough to start, he wont. Simple. Mourinho has been benching him all season for rashford and ibra so its not like he wont be willing to do that. Unless you want him to start, when you feel he has been playing poorly, over rashford?

Its highly far fetched to think drinking on saturday night would affect the game next saturday night (7 days away). Its completely illogical.

The irony.

 

[Raees]

Where did you hear that mate?

Could you be kind and post a link, please.

If you can't, is he going to be dropped from the 18 man squad or benched?

Cheers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-drunk-pictures-marcus-rashford-a7422161.html

Nothing concrete being reported, but just headlines including the above and in the sun/mirror.

I personally cannot see how Jose can justify including him in the team on sSturday and nor would he want to anyway. A team with Rooney in it will lose against Arsenal.