English football is full of professional people who are nostalgic about Rooney, and believe he'll more-or-less turn back time; this, along with the publicity value of signing such a big-name, and with merchandise sales in mind, might persuade many clubs to take a chance on him (especially if he's willing to take a large pay-cut).
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I really can’t see him going to China. No chance. Equally I don’t think he’ll go to America. I could see him going to PSG or Italy on loan. The only other Premier League team I could see him at would be Everton but I don’t think Koeman would take him.
Wherever he goes, paying time won’t help. Him playing with inferior players than those we have will only serve to highlight his limitations.
For years now we haven’t expected anything from him other than mediocrity as the majority accepted he was finished. If he goes to a lesser club they’ll be expecting something better than they have, they’ll be let down.
He’s best off agreeing some kind of settlement with us and going to Celtic or Rangers.
Wherever he goes, paying time won’t help. Him playing with inferior players than those we have will only serve to highlight his limitations.
For years now we haven’t expected anything from him other than mediocrity as the majority accepted he was finished. If he goes to a lesser club they’ll be expecting something better than they have, they’ll be let down.
He’s best off agreeing some kind of settlement with us and going to Celtic or Rangers.
I think the comparison is difficult, because Shearer was a #9, and Rooney has been more of a jack of all trades.
Shearer was an exceptional striker but Rooney, at his best, was also an exceptional player. Shearer was lethal anywhere within 20-30 metres of goal but Rooney, at his best, arguably had more to his game.
At his best Wayne Rooney was capable of accelerating past players, committing defenders, making space for others. When he picked up the ball there was a sense of excitement about what he might do. Even if he wasn't scoring he was a threat, he could make things happen.
I remember back in 2011-12, the 3-3 with Chelsea. Rooney was garbage first half but in the second half he drove us forward to get us back into the game. He just doesn't do that sort of thing anymore. I mean, look, I'm referencing a game that was five seasons ago now...
Its easy to forget how good Rooney was, especially in 2009/10. Shearer was more consistent throughout his career, as an all round player Rooney was arguably better though. At least at his best. Nowadays its hard to make the case that Rooney could start for any of the top teams in England, either as a forward or a midfielder.
Prior to his first career threatening injury Shearer could do all of that (at Blackburn) only player to date to score 30+ league goals 3 consecutive seasons, let alone do it once (one of only about 7/8).
Yup, kind of like when Newcastle got Owen. Remember how much they hyped him?
I would agree.
However, I took objection to a claim that “Wayne Rooney is one of the best 20 strikers of all time”
As you say, Rooney wasn’t even a striker at his very best. I simply named about 40 “Strikers” that where in fact actually better strikers than Rooney.
Whether they where better all around players is a different matter. But its as clear as can be that Alan Shearer was head and shoulders above Wayne Rooney as a “striker”
Southgate has handled this very well - praising him in the press conference for his contribution over many years (which is well deserved) but, in selecting his starting XI, recognising that, in 2016, there are better options available in the positions Rooney plays or purports to play. It's sad in a way but United now need closure on this issue and Southgate's decision has made it easier to move to phase 2 of the de-Rooneyisation of United.
I'm not trying to dispute that Shearer was a great striker, but weren't some of those 30 goal seasons back in the days when the Premier League was massive? I can't remember when it got cut down to 20 teams but I'm sure Shearer had one or two 42 game seasons in there to help him.
Nobody needs to convince me that Shearer was great, but I dispute that Shearer could do everything Rooney could. The Shearer/Sheringham partnership worked for very clear reasons. One was the main striker, one was the support striker. Likewise, Shearer and Ferdinand's partnership but not partnership did not have a long term lifespan because of their similarity. Shearer was great and his versatility is understated, he played better with Owen than Rooney ever did. Still, I think you can argue Rooney was more of a player.
That's fair.
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Bloody hell... it really is all falling apart for poor Wayne.
Looks like this might be it for Rooney!
How dare people have an opinion about England and Manchester United, he deserves better, give him a raise
He cant control a ball or his Mrs
His wife going on twitter is not going to make it any easier for him. There will be some right idiots on there. Even though I think he is done, I almost want him to come into the game tomorrow and get the winner. It is all starting to get nasty and seriously out of hand.
Southgate may well just be taking him out of the firing line after the boos he received against Malta.
Trouble is it's an away game, so might not have been as bad. The next games are seriously high profile, Scotland and Spain.
It'll quieten soon enough once its established he's no longer a starter for club and country. When you're hyped up beyond reality it can be no suprise the fall is sudden and steep.
If i was him id pass over the capataincy for both club and country and stop trying to pretend, he should admit his role is now a support one.
The only one that will extend this is Rooney if he kicks up a fuss.
Big call by Southgate given the media attention it will attract. It's also the right call. It would seem to suggest that Gareth wants the job for longer than the four games for which he has been appointed.
Wayne may be able to play in a number of roles but both England and United have better options in each of them. MLS beckons.
Wayne may be able to play in a number of roles but both England and United have better options in each of them. MLS beckons.
I agree with you.
Abuse my feelings all you want for £300K a week.
That wouldn't help though, it would just paper over the cracks and lead to worse in the future. He needs to accept he is now a squad player at best or move on.
Simple stuff really.
Oh my.....how long before we see the 'angry and confused' vibe coming out of Camp Rooney?From the M.E.N
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inspired, aided and abetted by Manchester United fans on redcafe. Quite embarrassing for this groups of supposed 'fans' Id say.
Not much wrong with what Mrs. Rooney said there. She's obviously going to defend her man.
Southgate making a power play for the job. It's a simple decision in terms of football, but a difficult one in terms of politics. If England win convincingly, Southgate will get the job full time and Rooney will more than likely never play for England again.
Time for him (and Mrs Rooney) to face reality. It was always going to happen like this. He just took it for granted that he could go on however long he wanted with all the privileges, whilst putting in mediocre performances. You have to be accountable at some point.
My worry is how he'll react whilst back at United.
We seriously can't deal with this distraction at a critical stage for us with all these important games coming up
My worry is how he'll react whilst back at United.
We seriously can't deal with this distraction at a critical stage for us with all these important games coming up
Shearer in his article in the sun making further calls for Rooney to retire.
One particular on point passage about comparisons to his own retirement.
"However, would it not have been more selfish to continue trying to do both to, most probably, the detriment of both.
I felt I’d be trying to still hold down a place in both teams based on what I had done rather than what I could still do.
There are always young players knocking on the door who want to be let in and is it for me to keep that door shut so I can add more caps to my record?"
One particular on point passage about comparisons to his own retirement.
"However, would it not have been more selfish to continue trying to do both to, most probably, the detriment of both.
I felt I’d be trying to still hold down a place in both teams based on what I had done rather than what I could still do.
There are always young players knocking on the door who want to be let in and is it for me to keep that door shut so I can add more caps to my record?"
I noticed that Clive Tyldesley was really having a go at him during the game against Malta. Whatever media support/protection that some on here think he had (definitely amongst some of our own ex-players), seems to have evaporated.
I'm surprised at Tyldesley having a go at him..
All the ex players/pundits have actually made things worse for him imo. They just turned the fans off far more than Rooney's performances I think. Constantly criticising other players/managers and not him - has actually back fired.
In my opinion this sudden downfall of a Rooney has been a long time coming and it's been caused by Rooney, Van Gaal, Moyes, Hodgson and the Media. Moyes firstly for putting him on such a ridiculous contract, Van Gaal and Hodgson for playing in spite of performances, Rooney for his ego and the media who have avoided criticising him for so long. I think if all these parties saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, Rooney could have been faded out with dignity. Just a month ago he was still the main man according to many in the media and within football, now he's falling rapidly. It's up to Rooney to face reality, he simply can't cut it anymore and he does need to face up to reality because he believes he can play for England until after the 2018 World Cup. Others had to make way for Rooney to shine and now its time for Rooney to do the same.
He's already England top scorer, he has that legacy and would it be so bad if he left United this season? He'll probably be our all-time top scorer and winner of every trophy in English football plus a Champions League.
He's already England top scorer, he has that legacy and would it be so bad if he left United this season? He'll probably be our all-time top scorer and winner of every trophy in English football plus a Champions League.
I wonder if Rooney still feels he has nothing to prove to anyone?
It's pretty incredible to think how quickly things have fallen apart for him, it was still only a month ago he was starting every week for Utd, still a first teamer for England and still getting incredibly favourable press in the media.
It's pretty incredible to think how quickly things have fallen apart for him, it was still only a month ago he was starting every week for Utd, still a first teamer for England and still getting incredibly favourable press in the media.
Rooney joining Southgate for the presser ahead of the game, that'll be interesting.
I can't see him going to PSG either, as Emery is under pressure to perform in Europe and he has too many egos upfront.
"I'm captain, important role, still part of the team, hopefully I can make a difference from the bench, hard work".
Agreed.
"Wayne hasn't been dropped - it's just tactical, for this one particular game."
He isn't good enough to start for England anymore.
The team going off of the Malta game, should be;
The team going off of the Malta game, should be;
Hart
Walker - Cahill - Stones - Rose
Oxlade-Chamberlain - Henderson - Alli - Lingard
Rashford - Sturridge
Walker - Cahill - Stones - Rose
Oxlade-Chamberlain - Henderson - Alli - Lingard
Rashford - Sturridge
Fair play to him doing a presser while knowing he's dropped.
Can't be easy for him - but, if we're honest, it could be the motivation for him to really address his game and focus.
I just get the feeling that Rooney's still got a bit of fight in him.
Maybe it's just hope, or nostalgia, I dunno, but if he really focused on fixing his game I think Rooney could shift back into being a useful squad member.
He might just surprise everyone. It'll be very interesting to see how he comes across in this presser.
Can't be easy for him - but, if we're honest, it could be the motivation for him to really address his game and focus.
I just get the feeling that Rooney's still got a bit of fight in him.
Maybe it's just hope, or nostalgia, I dunno, but if he really focused on fixing his game I think Rooney could shift back into being a useful squad member.
He might just surprise everyone. It'll be very interesting to see how he comes across in this presser.
I can't think of a single player who dropped to such a terrible level, for such a long time, who ended up turning it around.
And 'having fight' wont change this. It's not a lack of desire that's causing this; it's a lack of technical ability and a lack of athleticism. And that's an insurmountable combination.
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