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Its slightly amusing that the rest of the country is now having to deal with what we've had to: Rooney is even more untouchable for England than for United. Its bizarre.
When I look at Rooney I just hear the saying, I could perhaps cope with such poverty had I never known such riches. I remember what it was like to see Rooney at his best, because I have watched United weekly for years. It baffles me when Rooney's defenders try to convince us he is anywhere near that level today. Even when he was a kid and used to go through 6-7 game scoreless runs he was never as average as he is now.
His performance yesterday was very sorry. If that's the best he can offer, against a part-time team no less, then he is in no position to demand a starting position for club or country. It makes his statement pregame, about being more selfish about where he wants to play, look utterly deluded.
When I look at Rooney I just hear the saying, I could perhaps cope with such poverty had I never known such riches. I remember what it was like to see Rooney at his best, because I have watched United weekly for years. It baffles me when Rooney's defenders try to convince us he is anywhere near that level today. Even when he was a kid and used to go through 6-7 game scoreless runs he was never as average as he is now.
His performance yesterday was very sorry. If that's the best he can offer, against a part-time team no less, then he is in no position to demand a starting position for club or country. It makes his statement pregame, about being more selfish about where he wants to play, look utterly deluded.
Give him a chance to adapt ffs, it's the damn cameras and whatnot.
Absolutely, I could just not go on the forum. I like coming on though, it's just frustrating when there's about 10 Rooney threads all running at once.
You mean the matchgoers at Wembley last night? Or can we give United fans slack now for supporting him and just blame those bloodthirsty England fans now
It's also frustrating coming in to a thread about Rooney only to see people like yourself moaning that we shouldn't be talking about Rooney because it bores you. There's plenty of threads on this forum that bore me, but guess what, I don't post in them.
I think this ties in with his recent announcement to retire after the next World Cup. With United it didn't affect the media or general population, now he is their problem aswell and the penny has dropped
Rooney 'should leave United'
“It’s not going to happen, but I think Rooney, next summer, should look at leaving United and play somewhere for the next year in that position every week, in central midfield,” The Sun journalist Charlie Wyett told Sunday Supplement.
“United, I assume, are not going to want him to go, and Wayne Rooney is not going to want to leave Manchester United. But, in terms of England, if he is going to play in that position then he has to be playing there every week otherwise he’s not going to perform for England. So, as a result, I think he should be on the bench and not start the England games.”
“It’s not going to happen, but I think Rooney, next summer, should look at leaving United and play somewhere for the next year in that position every week, in central midfield,” The Sun journalist Charlie Wyett told Sunday Supplement.
“United, I assume, are not going to want him to go, and Wayne Rooney is not going to want to leave Manchester United. But, in terms of England, if he is going to play in that position then he has to be playing there every week otherwise he’s not going to perform for England. So, as a result, I think he should be on the bench and not start the England games.”
I'm not saying don't talk about him, just don't only talk about him. Rooney is our captain and isn't performing of course he should be spoken about, just not in every thread going
it's weird to see people trying to twist the narrative, the vast majority of United fans have been onto the fact Rooney is physically shot for the last 18 months at least, some even longer than that, and the media didn't make a peep, still buried in his bunghole until he made the England comments after another uninspiring international tournemant.
His performance yesterday was on the upper end of the Rooney scale these days, but the fact he lumbered around like a 45 year old and had acres of space against one of the poorest teams around and still offered very little is why he's drawn the ire of many, he looks awful waddling around out there, he looks much worse than Schweinsteiger did at the Euros and he retired with his dignity in tact.
His performance yesterday was on the upper end of the Rooney scale these days, but the fact he lumbered around like a 45 year old and had acres of space against one of the poorest teams around and still offered very little is why he's drawn the ire of many, he looks awful waddling around out there, he looks much worse than Schweinsteiger did at the Euros and he retired with his dignity in tact.
Match goers and older fans? They see it, too, irrespective of age, locality or wage packet.
Many people have identified Rooney's faults for over three years and it's only taken his "form" to dive off of a cliff for many others to realise the stark reality of the situation.
What, exactly, does Wayne Rooney currently bring to the table? Or, infact, what is it he brings to the table ahead of other better players that play in his so-called position?
I think Rooney was an excellent player for us for around 8 years (2004-2012.) If you wish to argue that he wasn't consistently excellent at the beginning, then you could also argue that he was sporadically excellent during Moyes tenure (so give or take, 8 years of top-level service.) I don't think it's pushing it to suggest that he could have been better, but nevertheless he's been a top contributor to this club. Arguments as to whether he was 'world class' or better than Shevchenko are just that - arguments, and they grow tiresome very quickly. What can't be argued is his goal haul, which is very impressive (and the bulk of which came during that aforementioned quality spell - he hasn't exactly been filling the net in recent year, thereby inflating his number.) So for me, I'd like to see him break the record, as it would be a reflection on his contributions during a golden era for the club (2006-2013,) a period in which he was fairly often played out of his best position (or perhaps it's better to say that he didn't really have a defined position,) and unlike now, made little fuss about it.
I think he's been an absolute prat at times (for me, the worst was his non-celebrating of goals in the opening of the 2013-4 season,) and he's certainly past his best-by date now. However, it's revisionist in the extreme to suggest he hasn't been a great player for the club. Does this make him a legend? I'm not sure, as the criteria for that word often seems to go beyond matter on the pitch. But I do know that there was a time when the thought of losing him was pretty scary, and that in itself speaks volumes.
I think he's been an absolute prat at times (for me, the worst was his non-celebrating of goals in the opening of the 2013-4 season,) and he's certainly past his best-by date now. However, it's revisionist in the extreme to suggest he hasn't been a great player for the club. Does this make him a legend? I'm not sure, as the criteria for that word often seems to go beyond matter on the pitch. But I do know that there was a time when the thought of losing him was pretty scary, and that in itself speaks volumes.
"leadership," "desire" and "work rate".
So who's the tubby blonde chap getting paid a massive wage to train with our reserves? (if he's even doing that any more)
Good post. Football fans have notoriously short memories but the way they're trying to rewrite history about a hugely important player's contribution during a period of amazing sustained success is a new low.
lol now I've seen everything in this saga. Cameras being positioned to make him look bad?
He's waiting for January to move to the MLS.
No one is safe from the agenda!
Real scapegoat on here. Utd worries aren't about Rooney, he doesn't pick himself or give himself new contracts ans more money. He doesn't make himself captain either. There's not one on here who would walk away from captaining Utd or England. For me, the players in the past that have come to Utd and played better than the aging icons in front of them.
Definitely agree. I would go even further and say he was our best performer in Moyes' season. Besides for the start of that season as you've pointed out (definite SAF fallout hangover), he really tried his best throughout the season. IMO, he was rightfully offered a new contract that season - we really couldn't afford to lose our best player when everything was going tits up post-SAF.
However, that was almost three years ago now. Unfortunately, it's time for him to move on now. We're a completely different club to three years ago.
The difference between playing as a winger for Sunderland or United.
I think your last sentence is more relevant to why we've struggled for years and some of the mistakes we've made. There was a time when we had many great players, and losing one wasn't the end of the world, we'd march on without them. But Rooney's stature and importance has been allowed to grow as the star power of our team has diminished. When we were faced with the prospect of losing him we panicked because the rest of our team wasn't up to the standards we'd come to expect, so we relied upon him more than we should have. If you put Rooney in our team of '95 or '99, we wouldn't want to lose him, but he wouldn't be our main man. He wouldn't kick up a fuss because he wouldn't feel bigger than the club. He'd be in a dressing room with better players than him, and many of them would knock him down a peg or two if he tried any of his antics.
But here we are today, lacking leaders, lacking characters, and lacking world class players. Rooney is one of the final remnants left of our last great Ferguson team. His stature and reputation remains whilst his abilities have long since deserted him. What we're left with is a situation where we have a shell of a former great player living off his reputation. A few blind followers still think he'll get those abilities back, but day by day more and more are coming to the realisation that he's finished. Thankfully Mourinho is one of those people.
Well he certainly didn't retire, which is what you seem to think Rooney should have done.
It's absurd to expect a footballer to call it quits when he's still being picked. If your beef is with the manager who keep picking him, fair enough, but having a go at Rooney for not retiring is just yet another example of people desperate to find any kind of reason at all to justify their dislike.
Or rather, intangible bullshit to justify a lack of answer to a very clear question.
What does he offer?
Retired from International football.
After losing his place in the team. Rooney is still being picked to start every game.
Didn't G. Neville retire when he saw that he's finished? Fergie was still picking him at the time. It isn't that absurd at all.
He was no longer first-choice. Rafael and Brown were getting games ahead of him, when fit. He'd given up the captaincy a year beforehand because of this. He retired when he was 5 years older than Rooney is now. The situation isn't comparable at all.
'Intangible' is not the same as 'non-existent'. And certainly not the same as 'unimportant'.
Pogue is right in a way. Who would quit if he is being picked. Jose has seen the light hopefully. It is now up to the England manager to do the same, if they have the courage. The mistake the club have made is that big contract. They should have made it up to age 30, then he would be treated like anyone at that age, one year contract therein, or preferably this this case, not.
He didn't lose his place, he was still Captain of Germany and would have started the Euros if he'd been fit, he did start the Semi Final game after playing himself into fitness in the other games.
Age is irrelevant, Giggs was 8 years older and still better than Rooney. Rooney is about as poor now as was Neville. Rooney lost his place too. Of course, he should be given the chance to win it back till the end of the season but if things go as badly as now he should retire. Otherwise, he will become a laughing stock. Crawling to the record won't help him a lot, let alone United.
So Rooney is deserving of a place in the team because of his work rate and leadership?
He is really lacking confidence on the pitch. He doesn't risk any imaginitive passes or runs forward. Malta last night was the perfect opportunity to try some things out but he offered nothing
Sure. Retire or play for another few years at a lower level. But I was responding to someone who was having a go at him for not having retired already.
Who said that?
Oh, I can play this game.
So Rooney should be garotted because he's not as athletic as he used to be?
No, but he should be out of both the England and United sides because he regularly plays shite and there are better players that play where he wants to play.
Has this Phil McNulty article been posted yet ("is England captain's time up?"): http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37598940 ?
The media have turned on Rooney big time, now...
The media have turned on Rooney big time, now...
Retired from International duty though, not from football, that was what I was saying. He wouldn't be the first to wisely realize the clock was ticking and be humble enough to retire from the national side to focus on his club game, Scholes did it.
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