No problem with that.
This has always been a business relationship.One that must end soon.
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This has always been a business relationship.One that must end soon.
You can easily ignore them.
They are threads that I don't even bother with because I know the end result.You could do the same with Rooney ones.
Rooney being dropped a few games from being out top scorer is a big issue right now. People will talk about it. That's how forums work
People talk about topical issues.
It's equally annoying having someone pop in every thread that they don't like just to whine.
The Irony.
You are doing the same telling us how boring it is with all the Rooney criticism in multiple Rooney threads.
The problem Southgate now has is that Dier can do all that better and be a goal threat and actually has some energy.
Because Rooney is very average in his performances on the pitch these days, his defenders tend to emphasise intangible qualities - like leadership. He hasn't shown anything to suggest that he is a good leader actually. The teams that he captains do not show character. If anything, it's rather the opposite.
It's embarassing that England should rely on Rooney in CM. One would think that they learned something from the fiasco vs Iceland. It's all about the records now. Both England and United (at least under LVG) play a has been in order to allow him to break records. And ruin their chances to actually acheve something important in the process. Like last season, when Rooney contributed zero points in the league in the entire first half of the season but started almost all games when fit. Madness. Or Rooneytopia, as said above.
It's embarassing that England should rely on Rooney in CM. One would think that they learned something from the fiasco vs Iceland. It's all about the records now. Both England and United (at least under LVG) play a has been in order to allow him to break records. And ruin their chances to actually acheve something important in the process. Like last season, when Rooney contributed zero points in the league in the entire first half of the season but started almost all games when fit. Madness. Or Rooneytopia, as said above.
Easy said than done. Said early in this or another thread, Pep after political play at Barcelona & Bayern prefers a seting like City where the tradition/history is weak so he can make ruthless decision with less- non opposition since the attachment between fan & players ain't as strong. Pep would have run into trouble had him stay at Bayern longer and continue with benching Muller in some crucial game/ Ribery doesn't sound pleased with Pep later on neither.
That does not take into the account of dropping England captain & club biggest commercial face is way more difficult than Joe fecking bullish Hart. Manchester United beng the most hated club in England as well as most followed in the whole world doesn't help the cause. You know, similar to the give Moyes more time come from crying crocodile rival fans. Club with history is different than sugar daddy clubs.
May the tax evasion case help our cause moving Rooney on
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He thinks he's capable of playing international football until 2018 and club football much longer. He might know he's in decline but he doesn't seem to be aware of how much he's declined.
Tony Cascarino on Talksport is saying Wayne is after all the records, goals, appearances for England etc. same with his club career. I can understand that, but as he has declined so much he is putting his own glory before his club and country. That is pure selfishness.
Just watching the tossers on Sunday supplement talking about Rooney, it's like he's some sort of despotic ruler who'll have them executed if they say something bad about him.
Someone just rang Talksport and said it is all about personal records for Wayne now and he is denying a young player the chance to come into the England side and get bedded in for the future. Cannot disagree with that.
Maybe it is showing who his mates in the media are.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37598940
That's a decent article, they gave him a 5/10 for his performance last night as well.
That's a decent article, they gave him a 5/10 for his performance last night as well.
The fact is Rooney was always a battle Mourinho was going to fight, there is no ducking it so doing it earlier instead of massaging his ego would have been better than having his antics creating a distraction in mid season whilst we are playing catch up. Rooney himself has said he is biding his time and should his dropped status continue he will kick up a storm.
The fact is the Rooney issue was always going to turn ugly because the guy has been living on reputation for the past three seasons whilst the absence of any form criticism has fed into the delusion so there is no acceptance of his new level from himself.
It's amazing how quickly the media has turned on him.
I am starting to feel a teeny bit sorry for him. He just can't do it any more, no matter how much effort he puts in.
I am starting to feel a teeny bit sorry for him. He just can't do it any more, no matter how much effort he puts in.
I am sorry in a way. Wayne is the problem though, until he realises he cannot do it to the high standard needed the criticism will get worse and worse. It is down to Wayne to realise he is just a squad player and that he may have to relinquish his England career.
If he doesn't do this then he will get what he deserves for putting personal gain ahead of his team.
He's been like that for about 18 months now with few exceptions but they did not pay any attention. If anything, they were a bit slow in their criticial comments. And he still has defenders in the media.
It's ironic that that's what you think I mean. I didn't say I know for a fact what you will or won't complain about. I just said it's boring when you do. I'm not sure your attempt to be clever was so good then mate.
I can't tell what I find boring? It makes me laugh that you all think I'm a 'Rooney apologiser' when really I'm nothing of the sort and I agree with the criticism. I just feel that it's been done to death.
The Rooney criticism being done to death, is also being done to death.
The fact is it's a massive issue for club and country, it's not going to go away, it's going to get bigger and uglier until the penny drops with Rooney. If he's crawling on to beat records he should realise that he's destroying his reputation at the same time. He can have records or legendary status, it's one or the other, not both.
The fact is it's a massive issue for club and country, it's not going to go away, it's going to get bigger and uglier until the penny drops with Rooney. If he's crawling on to beat records he should realise that he's destroying his reputation at the same time. He can have records or legendary status, it's one or the other, not both.
Things are going to turn very ugly if he's still playing in 2 years. God knows how bad he'll be by then. It's actually sad to see how pathetically mediocre he is, and that's at his best. A once great player now plays like a fatter and slower Tom Cleverley. How he still captains club and country is one of the biggest mysteries in sport.
It's a fraction of the hatred shown towards him. There's little difference between Bluemoon, RAWK or Redcafe when it cocme to the topic of Wayne Rooney.
Rooney's become a whipping boy and mob mentality has taken over. Much of it is based on insane conspiracy theories about him controlling managers or journalists. That deserves criticism.
His performance yesterday was fine. But Rooney's held to a higher standards than anyone else. Of course he's going to fail to meet them.
He fails to meet every standard for a Manchester United player in his current state. That boils over to unwarranted hate for some sure, but the fact that he should be as far away as possible from the starting XI still stands.
I'd say the opposite has been true for a few years now.
Not every standard, seeing as he still plays every game. His stats this season have also been decent. He shouldn't be 'as far away as possible from the starting XI'. He still definitely in the mix. If you want to claim otherwise, it only shows that your biases are keeping you from judging him fairly. Your mind is already made up.
No, he has been absolutely awful the last 2+ seasons. The only reason he has been playing is because the rest of the team has been shit as well, combined with the power he holds as an icon and captain.
Ironically he was actually alright for England yesterday, not good or anything but not poor compared to other performances but the media has turned so he will get laid in to again.
He still has his friends though. That interview the other day in the telegraph was literally set up to try to convince mourinho to play him in midfield, it was absolutely shameless.
Impossible. He's only allowed to be 'absolutely shit'.
Exactly how I feel. He's currently the butt of everyone's jokes. His confidence must have fallen through the floor.
Why not just see his form for what it is, rather than being influenced by the media?
It's ridiculous how much importance some people put into the media. I honestly think it's to do with the way people have started to live their lives away from the real world and on social media instead.
What people say online doesn't matter. There's a reason why matchgoers, older fans and actual football managers can still see what he brings to the table. They're not as influenced by hysterics.
It's ridiculous how much importance some people put into the media. I honestly think it's to do with the way people have started to live their lives away from the real world and on social media instead.
What people say online doesn't matter. There's a reason why matchgoers, older fans and actual football managers can still see what he brings to the table. They're not as influenced by hysterics.
But his appearances (I think) are more down to the last two managers being weak than his ability demanding a place. I'm not saying he's sh!t and he has done the odd thing this season (the cross for Ibras header for example) but I don't think he's United standard or England (but I'm not English so that bits easier for me).
The simple facts are it's extremely rare for a top class player, playing for a top team to be able to change positions as they get older and still be an asset to that team. Giggs was possibly a reasonable example but Rooney is NOWHERE NEAR a midfielder or 10 and United suffer as a result.... that bothers me.
And someone's is unable to tell what they find unreasonable to complain or not to complain about?
I won't disagree. However picking the time and method to do can decide the outcome. So far, Mourinho has been dong all right leaving Rooney camp with little excuse to cling on.
I disagree on simplistic thinking anyone can walk into our dressing room and sell Rooney last summer like Pep did with Hart as I explained the difference between 2 scenarios. Pep didn't fancy to tackle this. Hypothecially he took the job, extremely doubt he would do that with Rooney. Worse case Rooney plays as #6 under Pep and ruined hs possession game altogether.
The manager has dropped him. And the matchday fans are certainly not as pro rooney as a couple of years ago, he used to be absolutely incredible at old Trafford, I think his goalscoring ratio up until a couple of years ago at home matched aguero.
It's simple media controls and forms the fans views. It is no surprise that "online fans" were screaming for rooney to be sold/benched way before media deared to start criticising him.
I agree, he's impact is undeniable and matchgoers should make the message clear that we won't stand the undeserved criticism he gets.
It is important for everyone to see him playing live to understand what he does best, given that in the current age all the positive hard work he does slipps through the hundreds of cameras which are installed in the wrong angles/corners of the pitch to make him look worse than he actually is.
So we've gone from "He has to play at position X to get the best out of him" to "You have to watch him live to appriciate him" ? Oh Wayne..
That last paragraph is a joke, right?No, you fool. It's cameras installed at the wrong angles to make him look worse than he is. Back when they installed them the anti-Rooney agenda was rampant. The ignorant bastards that dare to actually broadcast his performances have a lot to answer for too!!
Again,you can easily avoid and the not be bored by it.
Those bastards got Big SAM sacks for commenting on new Wembley project (Install more disorting camera). Can we sue these bastards for our money back.
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