Has anybody got a player video of that match? I've looked everywhere and can't find it
I don't think it was last year because he played midfield.
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I don't think it was last year because he played midfield.Can you file the petition? Be a hero
Has anybody got a player video of that match? I've looked everywhere and can't find it
It was the 2nd game of the season last season.
So bad that Rooney himself admitted he was poor.
Gonna have to sacrifice one of Rooney or Pogba. They can't play together. There are other issues... but this is the most glaring one.
No you're not. So sad isn't it?
Rooney was shit.
Pogba was shit.
Smalling was shit.
Martial was shit.
Everyone else was shit.
If you replace shit with shit, you'll get shit - no gain.
We have good players but we haven't found the right combination, yet. The squad became too tall, but we are not Stoke. If I was Mourinho, I'd try to bring Zlatan and/or Rashford from the bench in the second half, to mix things up, as needed. Rooney will start because he is the heart and the captain of the team. Also, perhaps we need Carrick. Yes, he will be replaced eventually, but right now we do need some continuity and some leadership from our senior players.
Pogba was shit.
Smalling was shit.
Martial was shit.
Everyone else was shit.
If you replace shit with shit, you'll get shit - no gain.
We have good players but we haven't found the right combination, yet. The squad became too tall, but we are not Stoke. If I was Mourinho, I'd try to bring Zlatan and/or Rashford from the bench in the second half, to mix things up, as needed. Rooney will start because he is the heart and the captain of the team. Also, perhaps we need Carrick. Yes, he will be replaced eventually, but right now we do need some continuity and some leadership from our senior players.
Pogba is younger, more talented at this point and cost us £86M plus he's the poster boy of our biggest sponsor - Rooney should make way but our the big bosses at our club are completely blind
no wonder we're so shit - surely Rooney isn't the definition of heart and captain of a team? We may as well have no captain
Nothing has changed. No player, not even Zlatan or Ronaldo or whatever plays well in all games. Zlatan was also shit today.
You may hate Rooney and don't want him to break the record but it will happen! He is staying till 2019 you know!
You're from a team that had maybe the best #10 in history, and some good ones after him too...
Retired Riquelme is still a better 10 than Rooney.
Ignoring the predicable pointing fingers at other players, the bold is the biggest problem Manchester United have right now.
He was far and away the worst player on the pitch today, absolutely horrendous, and he's meant to be the leader who picks the team up and drives us forward. Instead he gets pissed off and makes rash challenges to get booked and twats the ball as hard as he can at every opportunity.
He needs taking out of the team completely. Not dropped/rested for a single game and then have the usual lot in here going ape when things don't instantly change, but taken out of contention completely and the team without him given time to gel and work out the best system that doesn't include him.
He's not good enough any more, and we need to accept it and start changing the team on that basis.
You're right Nick. He's the heart of this team.
And it's exactly that reason why we look in cardiac arrest.
If Rooney hadn't created the fantastic goal at 92', we wouldn't have won vs Hull.
If the ref gave the penalty for Rooney vs City, we wouldn't have lost vs City.
Yes, he did not save us today, but the rest of our players didn't either. Nor at Feyenoord. Rooney is not the problem. He is sometimes the solution. But he cannot always be the solution, sometimes other players should give us the win.
If the ref gave the penalty for Rooney vs City, we wouldn't have lost vs City.
Yes, he did not save us today, but the rest of our players didn't either. Nor at Feyenoord. Rooney is not the problem. He is sometimes the solution. But he cannot always be the solution, sometimes other players should give us the win.
I've never said he was a superstar. He has been playing okay but coming up with vital contributions which means he is worth staying in the team. Today he played atrocious, if he had scored a 40 yard wonder goal in the 90th minute that wouldn't have made up for it.
Bingo. I also can't help but think there's an Henry style situation here where he's such a big personality and so embedded in the club that while most people like him some can't help but feel in his shadow. When Henry left Arsenal, some of the younger players really stepped out of his shadow and the whole team grew (granted not enough to win a title).
He slows us down, passing, touch take your pick it is all off. Everyone knows he should be dropped. The person to blame is Jose. If he plays bad, take him off, if he constantly plays bad, drop him from the team. There are other problems in the team than Rooney at the moment but he's the obvious one. In the transition from the back to attack, the tempo is slow. We need speed and aggression. It's so pedestrian, going through the motions at times. Subbing Luke Shaw when you need a goal is not the answer.
Wayne has been playing on reputation for too long. He clearly is doing something in the dressing room, that's the only reason I can think at this point. We won't be move on to he's dropped, simple as. I've never wanted a player to get injured but if he did, you would see an instant change.It's like playing with ten men at times. He was a fantastic player at a time but that feels like a long time ago. Jose needs to make the call our we will continue to be found out.
Wayne has been playing on reputation for too long. He clearly is doing something in the dressing room, that's the only reason I can think at this point. We won't be move on to he's dropped, simple as. I've never wanted a player to get injured but if he did, you would see an instant change.It's like playing with ten men at times. He was a fantastic player at a time but that feels like a long time ago. Jose needs to make the call our we will continue to be found out.
I wasn't heated. You said something ludicrous so I just pointed out how ludicrous it was.Pointless ifs. If we played Hull without Rooney we might have dominated and won much earlier.
Yes he is. Picking 1 moment out of 90 minutes is hilarious. Clutching at those straws aren't you
Rooney was shit. Absolutely shit. So were a lot of others.
However there are a number of players being played out of position to accommodate Rooney. Pogba should be much further forward. Rashford has to be an automatic starter. Zlatan needs to be able to come deep more often because he can create.
Rooney being shit usually influences a lot of others around him being just as shit.
However there are a number of players being played out of position to accommodate Rooney. Pogba should be much further forward. Rashford has to be an automatic starter. Zlatan needs to be able to come deep more often because he can create.
Rooney being shit usually influences a lot of others around him being just as shit.
Yeah one of his fanatics was saying after the Feyenoord game that we were poor without Rooney. I said, we'll be worse with him.
And I wasn't even fully serious
It was interesting that his fans even before the final whistle had blown in Rotterdam couldn't wait to post on here, in a a virtual show of smug self congratulatory, fist pumps, laced with predictable and poor ironic humour, as if the poor performance was some kind of vindication of Rooney still starting at United. Weird bunch. They will come out of there rabbit holes when Rooney actually reverts to type and is 'not that bad' as oppose to the abortion we have just witnessed at Watford.
Football games are 90 minutes, not 10 seconds.
I remember Jose first interview.
Rooney is not a number 8
That didn't last long
Rooney is not a number 8
That didn't last longHe is though. He is being shoehorned into a team that has no place for him, to the detriment of everyone..
Others players were shit today but it's just a weekly occurrence with Rooney, can't remember the last time he had a decent game nevermind a good one. When are genuinely good players like Pogba/Martial and Ibra have poor games we look absolutely shambolic like today. No sympathy for Mourinho and what's worse is I convinced myself in the summer he would put a stop to all this madness and we'd move forward but it's groundhog day.
Nah, I genuinely just think Mourinho wanted to rest him in the same way he did Zlatan - in that both are being used as key players for the team. Barring a sensational frontline performance Rooney was always straight back in today.
Pretty sure I said this at the start of the season on here, but our season is directly dependent on how quickly Mourinho decides to drop him. The fact that we lost against Feyernood and he completed the 90 today isn't very encouraging.
I do not believe it is ludicrous that Rooney needs to be dropped. It may be ludicrous to suggest the only way to drop him is if a Van Persie moment occurs, but seeing as that worked in the past, it could work in the present since Mourinho might decide to stick with playing with his captain, rather than doing what is best for the team.
He's a striker! etc
Fair point. In an ideal performance what you'd get from Rooney in behind the striker is a driving force of a player who can link attack and midfield; someone who can drop and apply pressure, get the ball and drive forward to either score himself or set up Zlatan. He's not doing that, obviously, but it's sort of what you'd hope to see from him, and what we got back in the latter half of 2010/11 when Rooney was producing some of his best football.
The problem is that you could argue Pogba would ideally fulfill a similar role, only from a deeper position. He's someone you want to be a driving force; who can win the ball and drive forward with it, but drop back to help out when needed. Both players would be functioning in similar types of roles and it won't work. Someone like Mata would probably complement Pogba more than Rooney does.
If he was a horse he would have been made into a glue a long time ago
He played better today than in other games this season! Only a matter of time before he is benched! As even this performance was horse shit!
This is how I imagine people who still defend Rooney at this point.
This is how I imagine people who still defend Rooney at this point.
The dog in the picture is still managing to display more movement than Rooney.
You were talking about that ludicrous clause. That is what I was referring to.
That's bullshit. Every player can play with every other player. Except if they have a feud or some personal differences. Or if they play in the same position exactly (like two keepers) but neither Rooney nor Pogba (nor Mata) have well defined positions. I have heard people saying that Barca can't play with Messi, Neymar, and Souarez at the same time. It's bullshit.
Today, neither Pogba nor Rooney played well, and that's it. In the previous game, Rooney wasn't there but Pogba was shit again.
He really didn't, that is the worst I have seen him play for us. Him and Pogba made fellaini look like pirlo in comparison.
Not really. Plenty of players don't complement each other. It was often said to be the case with Lampard and Gerrard: two brilliant players, but also perhaps quite similar in their attacking nature and therefore not really suited to playing together.
It's quite clear so far that Rooney and Pogba in the same team isn't working, alongside Fellaini too. Neither of the three are really players who can run or dictate a game, and it's shown.
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