Wayne would've done good for GB's paralympic team.
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Ah well let's play mata who is even slower than rooney or mhiki who looks lost at the minute or lingard who is average or martial who hasn't been seen since last season.
Could play pogba there yes, but then we'd have to have two of herrera fellaini schiederlin who lets face it are pretty average.
He has something to give this year, next year we should have either his replacement or complete the midfield rebuild and move pogba up higher
Not any player. Rooney.
He's getting away with it big time with both United and England and nobody (yet) has the cajones to call him out except Ferguson.
I cannot remember being critical of any other United player on here, just spoke up when the likes of Darmian and Smalling were being vastly overrated.
Özil question repeated. This isn't schoolyard football, players do have specializations. If Rooney was asked to play as a left winger you would need to consider the fact that it isn't his normal position when judging his display. And there's Fellaini as a midfield partner. You're nickname has Scholes name in it, though judging by the line of your arguments one could get the silly idea that Pogba was playing alongside Roy Keane in midfield.
Also doesn't matter if there was no one to take his place, he wasn't the main striker yet scored and assistedmore than anyone else for the last 3 seasons, without his figures we would of fell even further
If he got sold someone else would take the creativity mantle or it might spread proportionally. We're not a small club and Rooney, on merit, isn't our star player for years.
I doubt anyone is saying dropping Rooney for someone, say greizmann, is unacceptable. But right now there doesn't seem to be anyone who can replace him on merit. Other than maybe mkhitariyan.
I chose to believe that Pogba exists, that he isn't a sasquatch's cousin that you can only read about in old books. Maybe I'm naive
I chose to believe that Pogba exists, that he isn't a sasquatch's cousin that you can only read about in old books. Maybe I'm naive
He may not be but so far he is playing like he is
City has been fecked by Rooney so hard and so often that it's bound to have left a lot of psychological scars.
[QUhe's E="nick2004, post: 19809899, member: 81123"]City has been fecked by Rooney so hard and so often that it's bound to have left a lot of psychological scars.[/Q
Hope you keep him around for the next few years to give him the chance to do it again.
Please.
You've got a good memory.
Hope you keep him around for the next few years to give him the chance to do it again.
Please.
I am simply pointing out what i see in here and other threads every day i'm on here mate. The vast majority of posters don't do that shit but there are the same names who camp out here and other threads bitching about the same shit every day. As for me being defensive about Rooney maybe i am but then again i am also a United fan and he is a United player last i looked and one of the clubs longest serving players. So while criticizing his form is fine and justified, i find it odd why some actually hate him.
The majority of my posts that are defending Rooney are of his past records. Because i have noticed not satisfied with constantly shitting on him in the present theres is a group of posters now trying to re-write history on him as well and belittle his entire United career.
I was laughing at this thread in general, 4-5 new pages after a game he didn't even play in. It's absurd and as i said shows how ridiculous the whole discussion surrounding Rooney has gotten. Everything is us and them now.
If you were to re-read that post objectively, you would see i didn't specify one side of the argument or the other. But because you had already decided i was rabid nonsensical Rooney defender you jumped on it and assumed i was laughing at the haters.
You are maybe right there with the bolded bit but i disagree on the second part. It's being driven by both extremes of the argument. Some posters go too far to defend Rooney and while i don't agree with a lot of what they say at least that is coming from the mind-set of a supporter. But at the other end of the scale i see actual hate behind some posts mostly from the same group of posters day in, day out. People are of course free to hate who they like, but i just don't understand it.
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Any of the teams we're directly competing with have much better players in his position. Dramatically so with regards City and Arsenal. Even Payet at West Ham is a much better player.
We're treating him like he's our talisman when he's inferior to his counterparts at West Ham. Or Everton. Or Spurs. Let that sink in.
We're treating him like he's our talisman when he's inferior to his counterparts at West Ham. Or Everton. Or Spurs. Let that sink in.
Since coming to United he has played only 1 game in the position extensively discussed here.
Gerrard scored a lot of goals against us but I'm sure we'd all like to see him line-up for them this season. Rooney is just as finished as he was and is these days.
If Rooney's place in the team is solely down to his power and reputation, wouldn't we have heard more about it by now though?
Enough attacking players have been flogged or relegated to the margins over the last three years - Kagawa, Mata, Di Maria, Welbeck, Janujaz, Wilson - yet we've never heard a leak about Rooney's influence.
I agree that the whole thing is totally baffling but surely someone would have broken rank and mentioned it by now.
My post had nothing to do with any of that. Just saying that the City poster called it spot on. Which he did.Been our most productive player since fergie left even fergie himself used him for the vast majority of his last season.
He is not the rooney of old but the amount of abuse he gets is absurd given how poor the whole team has been, out of the whole squad he has the more impressive figures whilst never being put in a settled position.
Some level headedness is needed, even when he has decent games he is criticised when he scores it's because it's on a plate.
When rashford scores a tap in its amazing because he was in the right place, when Rooney scores a tap in its because he couldn't miss.
Let's see... how many times has he "fecked" them in the last 5 years?
To what extent? How can you support that statement? I'm genuinely interested, not taking the mick here.
That's just a fact. Productivity since Sir Fergie.
Rooney 49 - 35
van Persie 28 - 6
Mata 27 - 19
Martial 17 - 14
Herrera 13 - 12
Fellaini 11 - 10
Rashford 9 - 2
Depay 7 - 7
Lingard 7 - 4
Young 6 - 12
Valencia 4 - 15
Di Maria 4 - 12
Ibrahimović 5 - 0
That should of been happening anyway, other players should of been stepping up and not just leaving it to one man maybe then we wouldn't of missed on top 4
We signed players, kagawa was brought in and was useless depay was brought in and was useless. Di Maria has badly managed but he never wanted to be here and wouldn't adapt to the team's system.
All that is on the management, to flip it round he has played under 6? Managers for club and country and all of them are starting him.
I have absolutely no clue about ozil or your Keane comments? My post was simple you defend pogba with the same stick you use to bash rooney with.
I'm saying pogba can't play in a midfield two, agreed I'm saying that neither can Rooney yet one is a afforded an excuse by yourself while the other isn't, you're just not getting it!
Oh, I guess if you simply sum up goals + assists in the last 3 years Rooney will be at the top - he's played far more than any other players on that list and in the most attacking positions - but I guess I was hoping more for something that suggests how much he actually contributes or produces relative to how much he's played. Just giving a list like the one above doesn't say much apart from the fact that as a team we have been fairly unproductive over the last 3 years. Rooney, being the fulcrum of the team and apparently our most important player, is probably at least partly responsible for that.
"Rivials fans love it when Rooney plays" then the wum in you came out with "wake up"
I showed you the options that we have or lack of, teams would love for us to start without him as the team would be weaker
Jesus, you'd think seeing a player with better stats than the rest of the squad would be a positive but no not here, we don't want assists and goals...welcome to the rooney thread, leave all rationale at the door
Watching De Bruyne today, then realising that the player supposed to be in that position for us is Wayne fecking Rooney....depressing stuff
Yeah but we should be happy with him because he's not always the worst player in the team. Or something like that.
Nah, that's not exactly what I meant, but I didn't explain it properly. For example, give those stats better context by at least showing appearances or minutes played. If you just add up the goals and assists that doesn't show everything, surely you agree with that.
That needs a games played column and then maybe a per 90 mins.
Otherwise Ibra 5-0 vs Rooney 49-35 are just meaningless numbers...
Absolutely spot on. Sadly he was that quality player many years ago and although still has some qualities, it's time we find our own De Bruyne....
Couldn't be bothered much with those, as I don't care about those stats, so, did only the top threefour. And Rooney with van Persie had a goal or assist every 130 minutes of play, while Mata was at around 180, and Martial at 145. Used transfermarkt minutes.
Thought Martial would've topped that.
Thought Martial would've topped that.
Last season it was all on shoulders of anyone but Rooney's. He crumbled big time. You don't understand that nr 10 is pivotal in creativity department. If he doesn't operate like he should then big problems arise. There is also the matter of wingers, but CAM's role isn't about playing the ball always sideways.
3 of those managers were left with egg on their faces. 2 of them might share the experience.
Christ. Difference is that you can operate/work in circumstances that Rooney has been fielded in. Pogba on the other hand has been asked of accomplishing Hercules task by being forced to play in unpreferred position with Fellaini( who is left totally exposed in two men midfield), two old and immobile strikers before him and wingers that don't resemble attacking players.
It's doable vs. undoable. Get it?
no because rooney last season was played in a system that wasnt allowed creative freedom also not in his preferred posistion, he had zero runners and he was singled out by many to be the fault, he was asked to do exactly what people are asking pogba to do now, an impossible task as you rightly put it.
he wasnt in a no 10 last year, he is this year and has created or scored in every game except for the city game although his freekick lead to the error zlatan scored from but i'm not going to put that down to rooney. Even a 10 needs runners to be effective i'm sure you'll agree and in the city game lingard and mhiki where utter shit what can a number 10 do if the striker is immobile as you say and the wingers are playing terrible?
maybe swap rooney and pogba round? i hold my hands up and say he needs replacing but not for a player in our current squad because there isnt anyone to swap him with.
edit before you say pogba as a 10, that means unless rooney goes in midfield you are left with herrera fellaini schniederlin for midfield and that is awful. Atleast with pogba in midfield we have a good midfielder and decent no10 as opposed to a class no10 (pogba) and utter shit midfield
So... Rooney's output in his declining years is actually better than most other players in their top years!!!
@Mrs Smoker has kindly supplied that info for you and shows rooney per minute has been more productive, im not sure how else to express my opinion that while he hasnt been the rooney of 09/10 he hasnt been the major fault that a lot of posters spout off about.
I can see next season a solid no10 or a CM being brought in to free pogba but until then he'll be in the starting 11, it just annoys me when every game i see the same boring posts even when he doesnt play badly! he may not of put in a 10/10 but he has been 6/10 7/10 and whilst that isnt amazing it certainly doesnt make him shit! and what makes it worse is that other players who are playing worse arent mentioned!
that is my frustration
Wow, so many exclamation marks for so little actual useful comment.
This is the Rooney thread, for discussing Wayne Rooney. You see plenty of criticism for other players in their own threads. The reasons for the Rooney criticism have been given in a clear and rational manner for the vast majority of this thread, if you want to pretend that everyone who disagrees with you is being somehow bewilderingly unreasonable then feel free. Use as many exclamation marks as you like.
Agree completely. Some people are so clouded by (what seems like hatred) they seem to ignore everything else and just moan about him.
Wasn't referring to you mate. More the overblown matchday nonsense you get on here.
I'm sure you don't hate rooney, but there are plenty here who do. I'm not saying we couldn't get a better player in his position, but hes not the only player under performing. Hes certainly not our worst player.
Why don't we separate the matchday forum posts from the player perform thread posts then? Seems an easy distinction
Like others have said, I'm amazed where these suggestions of hatred come from, since I don't read the matchday forum. Other players get criticism. In their player performance threads. Rooney however has been playing in a key position in an underperforming team for 2 years now and his place in the team has never been questioned, he's never been rotated, and his place in the team has been changed numerous times to accomodate him. What else can you say about Mhkitaryan besides he was rubbish first half vs City?
Why don't we separate the matchday forum posts from the player perform thread posts then? Seems an easy distinction
Other players get criticism. In their player performance threads. Rooney however has been playing in a key position in an underperforming team for 2 years now and his place in the team has never been questioned, he's never been rotated, and his place in the team has been changed numerous times to accomodate him. What else can you say about Mhkitaryan besides he was rubbish first half vs City?
Not pretend you are naive and you can't see the hatred. This thread has 114 pages. And this is for 2016-17, when Rooney has been one of our best players so far.
I used 2? So many? Just 2 and instead of replying with anything worth while you filled your whole post with mostly ramblings about my use of 2 explanation marks? Ok
Edit: I linked my reply to another post to highlight my point I explained what I believe should happen with Rooney and why I feel the comments on here are harsh...on your reply you talked about my use of 2 "!" And that Rooney must be bad because others have said so, yet I'm the one who doesn't say much. Solid post lad
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