[sunama]

Scoring from open play would be a minor miracle, though I am amazed that he managed to score a penalty. I think his last penalty for MUFC, was a miss (somebody correct me if I am wrong).
Against Brugge he was very good - but apart from that game, all other recent games he has played in, he has been average or poor.

I am shocked that he not only has LVG under his spell, but also Hodgson.
That's 2 different managers who have made him their Captain.

And for those who think that Martial should be our striker - MUFC should not be using a 19 year old as their main striker. That's too much pressure for someone so young who has never faced an EPL team, which IMO is the most physical league in the World.

 

[darioterios]

This thread.

not one, but two threads based on his tying goal have been created. hardly reactionless

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Robbie Keane is the 13th highest scorer in international football.
He's also the 3rd highest in Europe, and 3 goals away from overtaking Klose and Gerd Muller

Do people think he's world class?

Do you think bobby charlton was world class?

 

[kps88]

Not a lot of reactions so far.

Scored a penalty against a pub side to continue his inevitable crawl towards a record we've all known he would break for years. Not much to discuss really.

 

[Treble]

It's good for Rooney that he did not break the record against San Marino.

 

[Devil may care]

There's not a lot to say, England were playing a Sunday League team in a ground that looked more like a country club with zero atmosphere on a pitch made of dried cornflakes and glue. Rooney got his record equaling goal from a dodgy penalty that no one seemed to understand and missed out on breaking the record when his first touch let him down on the other good chance he had.

 

[RedDevil@84]

San Marino no 9 missed last few games as he could not find another person to look after his bar when he was away playing football
Anyways good to see all the goal fecked players score some goals.

 

[Roman Bellic]

I think he will start scoring once the team is settled, I still expect him to score 20-25 goals this season.

 

[United again!]

I think he will start scoring once the team is settled, I still expect him to score 20-25 goals this season.

I still think that trying to play a hold up 9 role is pointless and massively hindering his ability to score. Especially with the way Mata is playing. I'd love to see Martial on the right playing like Valencia used to, see if we can get him scoring regularly.

 

[Roman Bellic]

I still think that trying to play a hold up 9 role is pointless and massively hindering his ability to score. Especially with the way Mata is playing. I'd love to see Martial on the right playing like Valencia used to, see if we can get him scoring regularly.

Yes. I want Mata to play in that #10 role, with Memphis and Martial on the left and right wings.

 

[Black Adder]

Yes. I want Mata to play in that #10 role, with Memphis and Martial on the left and right wings.

That makes just too much sense for LVG so nope,we wont be seeing that.

 

[Roman Bellic]

That makes just too much sense for LVG so nope,we wont be seeing that.

Haha,yeah obviously.

 

[Mindhunter]

That makes just too much sense for LVG so nope,we wont be seeing that.

Yeah, that's why we were typing furiously on our keyboards while he went about managing Bayern, Barca and the Dutch national team. What a travesty.

 

[SteveJ]

Hey, I could've managed Barcelona...but I had a 'paper round.

 

[United again!]

That makes just too much sense for LVG so nope,we wont be seeing that.

Haha, we'll see. It was a luxury that has not been afforded to RVP, Falcao, Di Maria and Chicharito so far. Wilson can adapt because he's younger, I am still thinking down the lines of "if you want Rooney to start scoring, wouldn't you move the pieces into a position that get him scoring?..." Right now he's playing a particular role that is clearly and obviously not his game, in a system that is out of balance and he's already up against it trying to at least be prolific enough.

If you look at how our strikers and attacking players have performed.. What has transpired so far has been pretty grim if you ask me, Rooney is not a magician.

Hey, I could've managed Barcelona...but I had a 'paper round.

This is what I was doing when LVG was managing Barcelona.

Spoiler

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Yes. I want Mata to play in that #10 role, with Memphis and Martial on the left and right wings.

Why would you want to play Martial on the wings? I think that never helped Welbeck, yes it got him minutes in the first XI, but learning a position that he wasn't made for. Martial may do a job but he's a striker and we bought him for that reason.

 

[Roman Bellic]

Why would you want to play Martial on the wings? I think that never helped Welbeck, yes it got him minutes in the first XI, but learning a position that he wasn't made for. Martial may do a job but he's a striker and we bought him for that reason.

Martial is not Welbeck.He is capable of playing that position.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Martial is not Welbeck.He is capable of playing that position.

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't capable, I said it wouldn't be good for his development

 

[United again!]

Why would you want to play Martial on the wings? I think that never helped Welbeck, yes it got him minutes in the first XI, but learning a position that he wasn't made for. Martial may do a job but he's a striker and we bought him for that reason.

I thought he mainly played left up in a three for Monaco?

 

[Black Adder]

Yeah, that's why we were typing furiously on our keyboards while he went about managing Bayern, Barca and the Dutch national team. What a travesty.

Managing Bayern, Barca and Dutch national team surely means he can't do no wrong, he's like perfect, isn't he?

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

I thought he mainly played left up in a three for Monaco?

As an inside direct forward not a supportive winger.. Depay is on the left, Martial should play center

 

[Black Adder]

Haha, we'll see. It was a luxury that has not been afforded to RVP, Falcao, Di Maria and Chicharito so far. Wilson can adapt because he's younger, I am still thinking down the lines of "if you want Rooney to start scoring, wouldn't you move the pieces into a position that get him scoring?..." Right now he's playing a particular role that is clearly and obviously not his game, in a system that is out of balance and he's already up against it trying to at least be prolific enough.

If you look at how our strikers and attacking players have performed.. What has transpired so far has been pretty grim if you ask me, Rooney is not a magician.


This is what I was doing when LVG was managing Barcelona.

Spoiler

I know he's trying his best for United, but being stubborn isn't best of qualities.

Sometimes you need to adopt to players, but him insisting on his philospohy means either players play like he expect them or they don't play at all, it's a shame really, because with some minor twists (players playing their natural positions) we could play really good footy.

Rooney, like RVP last season, looks too isolated up-front and with no impact at all, and that's mostly due to tactics.

 

[Roman Bellic]

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't capable, I said it wouldn't be good for his development

I did. But your mentioning of Welbeck suggested that you expect him to go down that path.

I don't see how playing on the right for a year or 2 would halt his development - and i don't think LVG is going to place the mantle of scoring all on a 19 year old, which makes me believe Martial will initially be used in other roles(just like Wilson), with Rooney remaining in the #9 role.

 

[Sky1981]

Will rooney get dropped? He's the square pegs that's making all the round pegs square.

It'll be very straightforward lineup for united if he's not playing

 

[Mindhunter]

Managing Bayern, Barca and Dutch national team surely means he can't do no wrong, he's like perfect, isn't he?

No, let me simplify this complex and convoluted line of thought for you. Since he has managed at those clubs and succeeded, there is a very high probability that he may have his reasons for the decisions that he is making based on information that neither you or I am privy to.

It is acceptable to question his judgement but unacceptable to hold the opinion that somehow every blind man and his dog can see something that LVG cannot see and he has built his career on the back of decisions made simply through his blinkered vision and his inflexibility.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I think he will start scoring once the team is settled, I still expect him to score 20-25 goals this season.

Considering he has done this 4 times in 13 seasons and is currently in his worst form since 2010 what exactly makes you so sure?

 

[Roman Bellic]

Considering he has done this 4 times in 13 seasons and is currently in his worst form since 2010 what exactly makes you so sure?

1. I didn't say I was entirely sure, I was only making a prediction.
2. Considering this is going to be only his 3rd full season as a pure 9, with it being only August - I don't think predicting 20-25 goals is far fetched, I expect him to pick up form as the season progresses.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

1. I didn't say I was entirely sure, I was only making a prediction.
2. Considering this is going to be only his 3rd full season as a pure 9, with it being only August - I don't think predicting 20-25 goals is far fetched, I expect him to pick up form as the season progresses.

But he ISN'T a pure 9, he doesn't have the self control, a pure 9 shouldn't be dropping back into midfield constantly, chasing back to left back right back and everywhere bar goalkeeper.
I know his work rate has been a big win for us over the years but if he had played like a 9 he would have been played AS a 9. As for his form picking up, Normally it does, but this time im not so sure.

 

[Roman Bellic]

But he ISN'T a pure 9, he doesn't have the self control, a pure 9 shouldn't be dropping back into midfield constantly, chasing back to left back right back and everywhere bar goalkeeper.
I know his work rate has been a big win for us over the years but if he had played like a 9 he would have been played AS a 9. As for his form picking up, Normally it does, but this time im not so sure.

His best position will always be up for debate. What i don't understand is why you're using a prediction to dispute my prediction.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

His best position will always be up for debate. What i don't understand is why you're using a prediction to dispute my prediction.

because my prediction has more supporting evidence

 

[Black Adder]

No, let me simplify this complex and convoluted line of thought for you. Since he has managed at those clubs and succeeded, there is a very high probability that he may have his reasons for the decisions that he is making based on information that neither you or I am privy to.

It is acceptable to question his judgement but unacceptable to hold the opinion that somehow every blind man and his dog can see something that LVG cannot see and he has built his career on the back of decisions made simply through his blinkered vision and his inflexibility.

Wow, thanks for the insight, I can see now things I never seen before, like he wasn't really fired from Bayern and Barcelona, it was more due to incompetence of people running those clubs, he must've done everything right like he always does.

He's doing his best for the club, that I'm sure, but sometimes most simple solution is best solution.

 

[Roman Bellic]

because my prediction has more supporting evidence

Like?

 

[Adisa]

Highlights of the game just come up again. Still fuming. If he had a brain cell, we most likely be going 2 nil up rather than conceding an equalizer

 

[Mindhunter]

Wow, thanks for the insight, I can see now things I never seen before, like he wasn't really fired from Bayern and Barcelona, it was more due to incompetence of people running those clubs, he must've done everything right like he always does.

He's doing his best for the club, that I'm sure, but sometimes most simple solution is best solution.

This is the second time you are putting words in my mouth. Did you even read what I was responding to?

I have never claimed he doesn't make mistakes. Just pointing out that things like the post quoted below are unwarranted and uncalled for considering his experience and track record.

That makes just too much sense for LVG so nope,we wont be seeing that.

Yes, you can ignore this one as well.

 

[Black Adder]

This is the second time you are putting words in my mouth. Did you even read what I was responding to?

I have never claimed he doesn't make mistakes. Just pointing out that things like the post quoted below are unwarranted and uncalled for considering his experience and track record.



Yes, you can ignore this one as well.

But if he keeps making same mistakes, what then?

As I said, I'm sure he does everything in Uniteds best interest, just sometimes he comes across as too stubborn and if he's trying to be too smart when there's no need for such a thing and because of that stubborness more simple solutions go untried while we wait for his philosophy to click.

He's great coach, his records speak for themselves, yet this United team looks to ordinary at the moment eventhough he's had enough time to implement his philosophy and players to get used to it.

What's wrong with giving Mata chance in his natural position?

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Like?

Like the fact he has only scored more than 20 goals 3 times.

 

[Roman Bellic]

Like the fact he has only scored more than 20 goals 3 times.

And played as the main striker twice in 10+ seasons.

You can't criticise him for not scoring more than 20 goals when he wasn't playing in that position and tasked to primarily score goals. Where is the sense in that?

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

And played as the main striker twice in 10+ seasons.

You can't criticise him for not scoring more than 20 goals when he wasn't playing in that position and tasked to primarily score goals. Where is the sense in that?

99% of his time he has been a forward, regardless of wide or central.

 

[Question234]

problem with mata as a 10 behind rooney is that there is no pace through the middle.

I'd gladly see mata at no.10 but then you'd need a wilson/martial or a no.9 that is prepared to make good off the ball runs. Januzaj's movement for his goal against villa was especially beneficial to a player like mata.

 

[Roman Bellic]

99% of his time he has been a forward, regardless of wide or central.

So are you saying every forward (regardless of position) is tasked with the same role and expected to produce the same type of result ( in this case goals)?