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I have seen the match on german sky today a second time, something I normally don't do but today... well, forget it.

However, Rooney really had a nightmare evening. Really. Nothing worked out. No - thing. But still he was fighting, he was running, he was cursing (himself and some teammates). I know plenty of players who just stop doing anything when nothing works out, but not Rooney. That's the only positive thing to say about his Friday's performance. (However, if he does not improve he has to be on the bench sooner or later.)
 
Red Dreams said:
that is a ridiculous analysis.

van Gaal and the board will not keep a player that is not contributing.

and lets be clear. I support Manchester United...not Wayne Rooney. Its just that we have over the board shallow analysis from a number on here.

anyway..I hope whichever team van Gaal picks, play like United should. I dont want us turning into Chelsea.
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What do you propose they do with him then? Sack him? Who is actually going to pay the money to buy him and his massive wages? Moyes lumbered us with him and we are stuck with him until he decides to take a pay cut to leave or his contract runs out.

You're living in a fantasy land if you think that he contributed anything the other night and that we can actually get rid of him.
 
Red Dreams said:
first answer the question. Do you think van Gaal will keep a player who he think does not contribute?
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It will be a harder decision with Rooney as he's the captain, any other player would be benched on Tuesday night but he will be first name of the team sheet. Going off topic here but Brenton did a good job with Steven Gerrard by phasing him out and moving on. It sounds harsh but we will have to do the same with the Rooney at some point.
 
With most United legends I always feel comfortable critizing them. But when others do I'm just as easily offended. Bit like ones children.
I feel we shouldn't write off someone who's had such a record at United. The guy deserves more respect. At the same time he claimed the CF position, and he knows he needs to make goals in that position. Pretty sure Rooney isn't satisfied when he doesn't. He's still a great captain though. Imagine RvP had retained it last year,, have you seen him play with Feher lately? He's got no first touch left, seldom saw such a great player deteriorate that fast. And Rooneys got a great mentality, seems only United fans have trouble acknowledging that. He always plays on the edge and seldom gets a red card, unlike Gerrard.
We shouldn't give Rooney a new multi million pund contract, just like RvP didn't get one. But if he's willing to take a cut, I'd love to have him end his career at United.
 
lilcurt said:
Just noticed the Sun Dream Team gave him a rating of 7...

Ridiculous, I'm convinced these guys don't watch matches and just handout scores based on reputation.
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I was just coming to post this. Those ratings weren't from The Sun. Rather they were from Opta. I thought they were reliable. :wenger:

Also, Young got a 6 after playing about 11 minutes. Herrera, having played around 63 got a 5. :rolleyes:
 
Red Dreams said:
many of the abusive comments about Rooney is either agenda driven or displays lack of football knowledge.

Rooney will end his playing days in midfield for us. For now he still has a lot to offer as a striker. He had very poor service Friday and was isolated.

Yes he had some poor touches and a couple of bad passes. But he also made some very good passes that was not taken advantage of or not read.

He can still play as an out and out striker for at least two more seasons.
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O rly?! :lol::wenger:
 
Watching City now and the sad truth is he's miles behind Agüero. We could really do with a striker like him.
 
Rooney is such an odd player. Really just can't think of another player who can be as good as he can be but also be be so bizarrely erratic in the basics of his game. I'd get if he's not quite found that killer instinct in front of goal yet (although the amount of time he wanted against spurs was alarming), but just controlling the ball, playing a simple pass should be something that he can do coming off a full pre-season even if it's not at it's best. The difference between him and Scweinsteiger for instance is pretty big atm given the latter has a broken pre-season and hasn't bee starting yet.

I still think though that when he does find his form he will be good there, I thought there were flashes of good interplay against Spurs but it is a worry as it makes a massive difference to our build up play when he is off his game. It would be one thing if he just didn't have his shooting boots on as you can hope others step up but when he's one of the main reason attacks break down it's an issue. It's not like it's a case of match sharpness i.e. taking a bit too long on the ball it's very simple things he got wrong against Villa for a professional player.

I do think though that he clearly doesn't have as much to his game as some of the other top strikers in the league let alone europe. When he's isolated and running the channels he just doesn't have that turn of speed/dribbling on the ball, regardless of how impressive his top speed is when running without it and that's a trait we could use.

I don't want to see him dropping of to a number 10 role though. Whilst he tends to drop deep as a a striker I think we can live with that when his form picks up and the other attackers like Depay settle in. But as a number 10 I just don't think his style suits the players we have, his game there being so much about dropping of and switching the play rather than playing people in from wide which in Depay,Mata,Januzaj and likely Pedro we'd want. Rooney as a number ten needs players like Valencia/Young who will stick out wide and are want to stay there and I'd think we'd be even more one dimensional.

Hopefully he gets a goal on Tuesday as that always seems to help him, ideally he'll be asked to stay on the defenders a bit more as whilst he's not the quickest he does have the pace to get in and if he pushes them back a bit it will open some space for the others and Rooney can concentrate on finishing the moves rather than getting too involved in the build up.
 
Imagine how good we'd be if we had a decent centre forward. It's a real concern that he's captain and beyond dropping and he's even apparently exempt from being substituted. He's always blown hot and cold but his better performances are few and far between these days. Fergie tried to do Moyes a favour by getting Rooney out of the way, but he only went and cocked that up along with everything else. I'm worried for the season ahead that we have to rely on him in every game.
 
Rossa said:
Look at Aguero today compared to what Rooney currently offers. Amazingly, there are still fans arguing that Rooney is the better player.
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Its mental, that anyone can think Rooney is the better player. Mental
 
Rossa said:
Look at Aguero today compared to what Rooney currently offers. Amazingly, there are still fans arguing that Rooney is the better player.
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don't think many would argue Aguero isn't the better striker.

But look how many chances his team mates get him. He wouldn't look half as good in our current setup
 
It is embarrassing to compare the two. Rooney was not even better than aguero two season ago, so I do not understand the point of comparing them right now when even a monkey could pick the better of the two.

This might be harsh, but lets all just hope Rooney can turns it around and he can at least be as good as Torres(Chelsea) for us.
 
Sandikan said:
don't think many would argue Aguero isn't the better striker.

But look how many chances his team mates get him. He wouldn't look half as good in our current setup
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They might have better service but just look at the way Aguero handles himself in the box, had three Chelsea player around but he still manages to stick it in the back of the net. Put Rooney in the same situation and he forgets how to score.
 
I think Rooney's main problem is his physique. I don't practice any sport but I look much fitter than Rooney ever did. I mean if you look at pics with his shirt off, he's like my dad whereas most footballers look like proper athletes.
 
Sandikan said:
don't think many would argue Aguero isn't the better striker.

But look how many chances his team mates get him. He wouldn't look half as good in our current setup
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It's a bit of a vicious cycle though. You put Aguero in our team and all of a sudden the opposition will likely drop of a bit as there's a player who will and can run on behind them. That create's space for our creators. Additionally how many attacks breakdown because Rooney takes a poor touch, again add Aguero and maybe those attacks go somewhere. Likewise how many times does a move breakdown because Rooney can't beat players frequently on the ball and has to check and wait for support?

Although I think when Rooney does find his form he could lead the line fine for us I think that if you switched Rooney for Aguero/Costa I don't think those players would lose as much from their performance and their respective teams would lose replacing them with Rooney. Sounds harsh but I think Rooney's problems are very individualistic rather than the team although there's plenty to improve there as well but personally I think with a lot of that it's about how we're using them then real problems in their quality.
 
Sandikan said:
don't think many would argue Aguero isn't the better striker.

But look how many chances his team mates get him. He wouldn't look half as good in our current setup
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At least Aguero knows how to trap the ball and hold the ball. If Rooney is asked to play higher up the pitch then he should play there. He keeps dropping deep every time and finds himself in a bad position.
 
Cassidy said:
Its mental, that anyone can think Rooney is the better player. Mental
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Still, people make those claims. Obviously, Aguero is world class and Rooney is some distance from being that. Aguero's movements, close control and finishing are levels above that of Rooney. Rooney's long range passing is arguably better, to the right that is.
 
Amadaeus said:
It is embarrassing to compare the two. Rooney was not even better than aguero two season ago, so I do not understand the point of comparing them right now when even a monkey could pick the better of the two.

This might be harsh, but lets all just hope Rooney can turns it around and he can at least be as good as Torres(Chelsea) for us.
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Both are lead strikers playing for two of the best clubs in the league. Comparisons will be made throughout the season. Unfortunately for us, Aguero is by far the superior player.
 
[QUOTE="Kill 'em all, post: 17957197], member: 68809"..if you look at pics with his shirt off[/QUOTE]
thats just wrong
 
Sandikan said:
don't think many would argue Aguero isn't the better striker.

But look how many chances his team mates get him. He wouldn't look half as good in our current setup
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Rooney could get chances if his control and anticipation were better. How he didn't get at least a shot on Friday at the end of the game when Schweinsteiger put him through, any of the top strikers would have but Rooney managed only to put it out for a Villa throw.
 
Ixion said:
Rooney could get chances if his control and anticipation were better. How he didn't get at least a shot on Friday at the end of the game when Schweinsteiger put him through, any of the top strikers would have but Rooney managed only to put it out for a Villa throw.
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Exactly. When there aren't many chances, he at least has to take advantage of the few that come his way. Against Villa, as you point out, he heads it away from goal instead of believing in his abilities and directing it towards the goal - very, very poor.
 
.Rossi said:
Aguero had no pre season and only paid 30 mins last week. Look how good he looks.
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Just shows how expectation levels have dropped.
A lot here bang on about Rooney needing at least a half of dozen games to get into some kind of form as if this is an acceptable standard at club like United in such a competitive league.
 
What irks me is the argument of him being close to our all time goalscoring record when someone questions his goalscoring ability. Now the problem isn't just lack of goals, his all round play is very bad. The current Rooney doesn't even come close to the standard required at a club that aims at being at the top. If Rooney keeps this kind of form which he carried throughout most of last season, we will be in big trouble. To think we used to make fun of Torres.
 
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Rooney has always been a striker who plays well in spurts....with the exception of that one year he banged in 30+

when he gets his first a few more will follow
 
buckooo1978 said:
Rooney has always been a striker who plays well in spurts....with the exception of that one year he banged in 30+

when he gets his first a few more will follow
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And then there will be barren periods where he does absolute nothing (like he does now) and injuries. Which isn't the worst thing. What's actually worse is what follows - people calling him world class and arguing he's still got it. And you know what will happen next - he will continue to be the mainstay when he should be benched every now and then like every other player is. I really hope LvG sees this and realizes that Rooney isn't half the player he was.
 
I remember that last season and during the summer I had actually argued with another poster on a few occasions who believed Rooney is better than Aguero, which is fecking moronic, and frankly, I wouldn't trust a human being around me who can examine both and claim such.
 
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