Rooney wont be here next season if he doesn't score 25 goals.
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shit if fergie was here rooney would have been off. fergie didn't feck about in dealing with players.
what a great time to sell him
Should have been sold yes, but Moyes didn't have the balls. TBH I don't care about the past, he needs to go after this season.
my response was at 6am in the morning, forgive me.Are we really still discussing him? He has been rubbish and will only get worse after another off season of chips, beers and fags. He is the biggest reason we are toothless because we are always trying to fit him into our system when he is well past it.
Absolutely and it's bonkers for people to even think that any player gets to play simply because we sell a lot of shirts with that name on the back. This club is not run by complete fecking idiots.
Apparently Memphis has sold a high number of shirts since he got here..He wasnt really a big star before he arrived..Perform well and United can make you a megastar..This is one thing I have always said: Its not a coincidence that the two most marketable stars in football in the last 25 years(and arguably ever) both made their names at United. Beckham and Ronaldo. The marketing department will know that too.
Just before the second half started, I saw Fellaini warming up so I was wondering who he was coming on for. Surely an attacking player since I expectedFellaini to play high up the pitch. Then I say Herrera, so it wasn't him, I saw Martial, it wasn't him also, then Lingard. I then started to get excited, HE SUBBED OFF ROONEY! HE SUBBED OFF THE CAPTAIN! Then I saw Schweinsteiger's name come up on the board. I was fecking gutted.
Schweinsteiger had a poor half tbf
I know. I was just desperate for the My captain must always play to be bullshit.
You lot are a bit laughable at times. Anytime Rooney misplaces a pass people go on about how poor he is and how he should be dropped. Yet when he does something good you lot don't mention it. You're blinded by anything good he does because of the hate most of you have for him. I came on here after the Everton match and you would have thought he was terrible in this game by what some were saying.
Now I would much rather see Martial upfront with rather Memphis on the left or Rooney on the left but some of the stuff people say now has no logic. I don't think some actually analyse the game. People will be blind to to the bad things our others players do but will criticise Rooney as soon as he fails to complete a pass. As I said before I would rather not see him upfront right now but you lot go way over the top.
There's hardly any rationale behind some of the things people say. He is the main scapegoat right now. He will get the blame for everything. What annoys me more than anything is those that truly what him to play badly so they can prove some sort of point or just to see him dropped.
Now I would much rather see Martial upfront with rather Memphis on the left or Rooney on the left but some of the stuff people say now has no logic. I don't think some actually analyse the game. People will be blind to to the bad things our others players do but will criticise Rooney as soon as he fails to complete a pass. As I said before I would rather not see him upfront right now but you lot go way over the top.
There's hardly any rationale behind some of the things people say. He is the main scapegoat right now. He will get the blame for everything. What annoys me more than anything is those that truly what him to play badly so they can prove some sort of point or just to see him dropped.
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Some of the past supposed CAF scapeoats include Cleverly and Jonny Evans ...funnily both are long gone..perhaps, just perhaps people are watching him poorly regularly and are discussing his performances in the Wayne Rooney perfomance thread.
I find it quite funny that people go on this agenda driven talks, almost to divert attention. if you think he is playing well, then defend the performances, this is a performance discussion thread after all. Not claim people have an agenda. People just do not like a poorly performing player starting every game, probably due to certain standards they hold for our players. So what is your opinion on his performances then ?
Great post and I believe it's van gaals actual thought process at th moment.
On the whole this season? He has been poor. He should have been dropped or shifted to the left so Martial can play upfront in my opinion. But I don't think he's completely useless as a lot say and I don't think he's been terrible in all the games he has played as someone would make you believe.
I don't think he should start just because he's captain but it should be based on performances. I think Rooney does some good in matches but I would agree he's been poor on the whole. Divert attention... from what? I said in that post I think he should be dropped or moved to the left.
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Believe me, if he's not injured or suspended he will play in every game.From what you just said. Should a Man Utd captain and highest paid player be spoken of in those terms. He should be inspiring the team with his performances.
Our captain should not be seen as not being completely useless.
Looked a bit lost at times last night but not his worst game.
Still it must be galling for him to watch Martial so at ease with his finishing (that header is stupidly good) with how he's struggling at the moment.
Still it must be galling for him to watch Martial so at ease with his finishing (that header is stupidly good) with how he's struggling at the moment.
I'm with you on this one tbh
True, He was good against a pub side quality Brugge, a championship ipswich and Everton. Every other time he has played this season he has been dire.
Can't see it. Unless he has a couple of Aston Villa level of shitness performances.
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A taker!
http://www.charitychoice.co.uk/manchester-carers-forum-16870
Ten quid. Obviously if he starts scoring he's not getting dropped but feck it no caveats from me. I'm saying he's benched before the end of November. If he bags a load of goals and doesn't get dropped I'll happily stump up a tenner.
He hit his peak physically at a very young age I think, he was already a grown man when he was a teenager. He should be in the prime of his career right now and terrorizing defenses, but instead he's having almost zero impact on games and becoming a detriment to the overall performance of the team.
It's sad to see. LVG should give him a couple of games off and see what it does to possibly rejuvenate him, but we all know that's not going to happen.
Though I do believe he has tremendous leadership qualities and is an important figure in the dressing room - all of the players seem to really like him and respect him. Within LVG's philosophy those types of qualities are very important to him, which is why I think Rooney will always be in the team. Also from a tactical standpoint, he does press well and keeps the forward line disciplined - which LVG obviously loves even more.
It's sad to see. LVG should give him a couple of games off and see what it does to possibly rejuvenate him, but we all know that's not going to happen.
Though I do believe he has tremendous leadership qualities and is an important figure in the dressing room - all of the players seem to really like him and respect him. Within LVG's philosophy those types of qualities are very important to him, which is why I think Rooney will always be in the team. Also from a tactical standpoint, he does press well and keeps the forward line disciplined - which LVG obviously loves even more.
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I was so upset watching the first half last night that I almost turned the tele off, which I haven't done during a United game in ages (not even during the shambolic 3.0 defeat at Arsenal). I could see straight away that there was no movement up front and that the ball kept having to go sideways and backwards because there was no threat from our striker, allowing CSKA to double up on Martial and press us back into our own half when we had the ball. Rooney not only allows teams to adopt this strategy because he has no real pace to speak of any more, he also contributes to the problem by constantly coming towards the ball and never using what little pace he does have left to spin off defenders and run in behind. It's like watching Falcao these days. Both players are spent.
The pundits don't want to say it because they all know and revere Wayne Rooney, but they all identified the lack of movement and pace up front without directly pointing the finger at the one man responsible. Contrast those comments with the comments we, as the fans, and pundits have all made during and after games when we've played with Martial as the no.9. Because Martial stretches the game with his pace and great feet, teams have to give up space to our more creative players, like Herrera and Mata, in those pockets between the midfield and defence otherwise Martial's running behind and in on goal. Rooney backs up our play and kills our fluidity.
The pundits don't want to say it because they all know and revere Wayne Rooney, but they all identified the lack of movement and pace up front without directly pointing the finger at the one man responsible. Contrast those comments with the comments we, as the fans, and pundits have all made during and after games when we've played with Martial as the no.9. Because Martial stretches the game with his pace and great feet, teams have to give up space to our more creative players, like Herrera and Mata, in those pockets between the midfield and defence otherwise Martial's running behind and in on goal. Rooney backs up our play and kills our fluidity.
See the difference is in the standards that we hold him as our captain, talisman and highest paid player, not being useless is way too little a base to guarantee someone the 'first name on the team' status. We shouldn't pay someone up to 300k a week and make 'not being terrible or useless' the defining standard, that's a waste of resources and we could be using half of that to pay someone to do what we expect from him. Either he plays to a standard befitting a 300k player or fecks off, simple as, because there is no middle ground when you are paying someone that much.
That is exactly what you attempted, putting forward an anti Rooney agenda as the reason why he is being criticized for his efforts so that we discuss the supposed agenda when the issue is quite clear, we should be getting more from him.
Still don't understand how people can defend him.
Absolute dross.
Absolute dross.
The media will still build him up in hopes that he will come good and inspire England in the summer. They are of course beneficiaries of his form picking up and the media could care less about United's performances whilst he goes on with his search for resembling top level footballer again. (Of course excluding former United players, but they are all his mates) After that tournament, I believe we'll see a more neutral assessment of his performances.
I see nothing in his game that makes me think he'll improve to the required level of a Manchester United starting player, let alone our star and highest paid player. We'll have to endure the lack of criticism until he's actually playing for a team they support, England, and then I believe his cover will be blown.
It's getting to a ridiculous level now, the favoritism he's getting from van Gaal, I don't think I've ever been so jaded and cynical about our own player and the situation he represents. We won't reach our full potential as a club whilst the fast declining Rooney is an ever present fixture in our side. It is as simple as that for me, but I feel so little hope about this situation changing in the season ahead.
I don't want to be bashing him, I loved him once as a player and I would be pleased for him to break our goalscoring record (couldn't care less really who holds it), but he's just so obviously fallen off that I can't believe this is allowed to go on.
I see nothing in his game that makes me think he'll improve to the required level of a Manchester United starting player, let alone our star and highest paid player. We'll have to endure the lack of criticism until he's actually playing for a team they support, England, and then I believe his cover will be blown.
It's getting to a ridiculous level now, the favoritism he's getting from van Gaal, I don't think I've ever been so jaded and cynical about our own player and the situation he represents. We won't reach our full potential as a club whilst the fast declining Rooney is an ever present fixture in our side. It is as simple as that for me, but I feel so little hope about this situation changing in the season ahead.
I don't want to be bashing him, I loved him once as a player and I would be pleased for him to break our goalscoring record (couldn't care less really who holds it), but he's just so obviously fallen off that I can't believe this is allowed to go on.
I don't think Falcao was completely useless for us either..but can a club as big as United afford to have players that are playing just above completely useless especially with that player being captain and talisman?
He's not been terrible in every game, anyone who says that is lying. But collectively looking at his season, his performances have been quite bad. What irks people further is that he never gets dropped. A lot of people would have much less of a problem with Rooney if he was deservingly sitting on the bench, with a cameo here and there. But to see him in the team week in week out serving dross annoys a lot of us. Its not us making him a scapegoat, seeing as people have been complaining about his performances, even when the team itself has been performing relatively well. The pointing out of an agenda just serves to divert from the main issue at hand, people don't want to see Rooney in the team because his performances don't warrant it, just like they wanted him in the team all the time in the past when his performances warranted it.
I guess we shouldn't expect any better from Jamie Jackson but...f*cking hell:
Wayne Rooney at 30: a golden goalscorer but always a team player:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/22/wayne-rooney-at-30-manchester-united-premier-league
Wayne Rooney at 30: a golden goalscorer but always a team player:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/22/wayne-rooney-at-30-manchester-united-premier-league
Jackson might be right about some thing there. His record his great, he's Englands top goal scorer. But what good is that for us at the minute? He's shite now and that is all that matters to me because my team has titles to fight for and we are fighting with a handicap.
Away to Leicester on the 28th then. He has 7 games to find some form and start scoring on a regular basis.
I've tried to support Rooney this season but it's just not happening for him. He really looks done.
The cb didnt habe to do anything. Just stand there. Rooney wont cause a problem unless they're down a goal and pushing up. That alone changes the whole balance of the team, no wonder we cant find space to pass. He's clogging up the whole am position by offering nothing and not being a threat
That's probably the harshest point, our opponents don't care about him and have no respect for his abilities. Memphis and Martial have been closely marked while Rooney is given total freedom.
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Agreed 100%.
We saw recently that he was "injured" for England's 2 games, yet, before the 2nd game even took place, he declared himself fit for the next MUFC game.
I think Hodgson realised that Rooney was in bad form, so dropped him.
LVG doesn't want to do the same, though.
And for those suggesting that Rooney is being made the scapegoat: This is not true. He is one of the highest paid players in World soccer. He is our captain. He is undroppable. He does not need to prove his match rhythm. He is the first name which goes on the team sheet.
Given all of the above, I expect him to be one of our best players...not one of our worst. Am I asking too much?
I dont think ours care either. They only pass to him when they literally have no other option. Mostly it's sideways even back to darmian or shaw. They're pro they know he's that bad. But he's a senior figurehead afterall and most of our best players are newcomers and probably wont want to stir drama
I can see this getting brutal by the end of the season. When our fans start to groan every time he loses the ball through a poor pass, groan when he misses a simple chance, groan when every heavy touch results in lost possession. It would already be happening at many clubs around the world and despite how loyal our fans are (see Moyes), they'll come a point where frustration boils over.
My betting is an important fixture Feb/March.
My betting is an important fixture Feb/March.
Am in the same boat. Been so used to people that have been put off by him making any small thing into a big thing, even though with my own eyes I was seeing pure crap from him this season, I end up thinking he wasn't that bad because so many people were talking about how bad he was playing. But, have pretty much reached the point of joining in with the masses and begging for him to get dropped.
Though I do wonder who does deserve to play ahead of him. Depay does not to me because he seems a lot worse off and even though he needs to be given time, right now we are in a crunch of games that even though Rooney is dross, Depay is even more so. Maybe after the City game, LVG can look to move Martial back to the middle and give the likes of Young/Depay/Lingard a shot on the left.
As long as Wayne Rooney is a starting striker for United, we won't be winning anything. He's simply not good enough anymore.
Thats the painful, but obvious, truth.
Thats the painful, but obvious, truth.
I agree completely, if LVG has anything about him he will offload Rooney in the summer, RVP and falcao were dumped because they weren't offering much, weren't worth their wages and best days were behind them. All of that is true for Rooney and he should be treated exactly the same.
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