Yup. The issue is people don't consider Rooney to be in that top bracket. Of course, he isn't number one, but he's certainly up there to contend with those considered.
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Hardly anyone has said he is poor.
Well we are obviously not the only ones debating Aguero vs Rooney, so here some more stats for those interested:
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014...io-aguero-who-has-the-better-record-over-the/
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014...io-aguero-who-has-the-better-record-over-the/
After every poor game, you always get posters claiming that he's a poor player and finished. It's actually a very common theme. In reality he's still a fantastic player that most won't appreciate until he really is finished as an attacking threat, which by that time he'll probably move into a deep midfield role and start dictating games.
Aguero is definitely better than Rooney (more so than those stats suggest) but people shouldn't be surprised at how good Rooney's stats are generally. He's a very good player who has spent years playing for a very good team.
The real problem with Rooney is that we have even better strikers than him in RvP and Falcao and a better #10 than him in Mata. That problem is greatly reduced by the formation we're playing though, where Rooney actually fits in quite well.
He's been good so far this season (even in that #10 role) and deserves his place in a very talented front line so I really don't get why some people are still criticising him so much.
The real problem with Rooney is that we have even better strikers than him in RvP and Falcao and a better #10 than him in Mata. That problem is greatly reduced by the formation we're playing though, where Rooney actually fits in quite well.
He's been good so far this season (even in that #10 role) and deserves his place in a very talented front line so I really don't get why some people are still criticising him so much.
Ignoring pens is fair enough. Disregarding free-kicks is just daft. Obviously a benefit to the team having someone capable of scoring from free-kicks and those goals are just as valuable as goals from open play.
Anyway, there's not much in there we haven't covered. Aguero's goals per minute much better but you get more minutes out of Rooney, more goals overall and significantly more assists. Obviously we're ignoring their influence in terms of number of touches or defensive effort too.
You could spend all day arguing about who has been more valuable to their team over that period of time (and I think it would be absurd to ignore the relative quality of the players creating goals for them) but it's crystal clear that there's not much between them and they're both top class strikers.
I wonder how many polls pop up on Bluemoon asking if Aguero getting injured is good news for the team? (With a decent chunk of people answering "yes") The amount of utter nonsense talked about Rooney on here is astonishing. Which those stats nicely illustrate.
This is definitely up for debate.
Not based on the last year. If not longer.
Also remain to be convinced that Mata's a better #10. In theory, maybe but hasn't really shown it for United.
Agree with the last para of your post.
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True, if RvP doesn't recapture his first season's form then Rooney is the better player.
As for Mata, I'd suggest that a) we're better balanced with him in the team instead of one of the strikers and b) he's shown better form than RvP regardless. So it doesn't really matter if he has/hasn't been a better #10 than Rooney since he arrived as they both deserve to start based on form anyway.
I definitely think it's fair to label Rooney our best striker currently.
Don't really see how Falcao is a better striker than Rooney. Radamel is a brilliant player, but I don't really see what aspects of his game are better compared to Rooney.
I think Falcao is a far more lethal striker than Rooney and can be better at the lone striker role just like Rooney did in 2010.
The thing with Rooney is that he's a strange player, he could be having one of his worst matches and still assist two goals and score one more. That's why a lot of people hate him and complain about his performances but when you look at his stats and the way he constantly give us three points you can't really complain.
The thing with Rooney is that he's a strange player, he could be having one of his worst matches and still assist two goals and score one more. That's why a lot of people hate him and complain about his performances but when you look at his stats and the way he constantly give us three points you can't really complain.
Sign of great players, in my opinion. Messi did that throughout the whole world cup.
I'd say even if he does recapture that form, they're both pretty much as good as each other as strikers. I always find it weird how people just claim 'Rooney's not as good as van Persie up front, and not as good as Mata at no.10'
I'd say Rooney's definitely as good as van Persie up top.
No doubts that van Persie has better precision and technique, but I see Rooney as a better finisher, and as less likely to miss a sitter, while van Persie is more likely to score a half chance.
I think Rooney's more adaptable, links up better, plays better with partner(s), and offers more defensively. Given the game-time up top, he'll score a similar number of goals.
Falcao's only really superior to either in terms of finishing and movement, but I guess one could argue that he's so good at those elements that it makes him a better striker.
Over the same time period, RvP has 40 goals and 12 assists in 65 appearances. That's surprisingly good given his recent indifferent form.
To an extent. If he's playing up top on his own then I think he's more liable to get away with it since his job is to score and be involved in goals. You can argue the same to an extent when he's in behind the striker, although part of why Rooney can be effective there is his overall contribution to the game. It's obviously better to have a player who can play poorly and still grab a goal or assist, but you want them performing well too if possible, especially with someone such as Rooney whose game - when he's on form - is based on more than goals.
And while Messi wasn't anywhere near his very best during the WC, he actually performed fairly well overall. Not Messi-esque usual standards, but he was still good.
He still had a pretty good record last year. Granted, he only scored 12 league goals, but part of that was due to the fact that he played in a lot less games. He still managed to comfortably get a goal every 2 games on average, and he's already grabbed a couple this season despite his fairly lackluster performances.
Just scored 2 goals for England. Closing in on bobby charton record
Scored only one tonight. The other was an OG.
The UEFA will decide in a few days
For example Lampard has scored so many deflected crazy goals and he was the goalscorer instead of an own goal
How was he in the game? Brilliant or outstanding?
He was ok. Should have scored a hat-trick really. Missed two very presentable chances. Of note, he missed both those chances after an excellent first touch (go figure)
Thanks. Going by Qualifiers thread he was "bloody awful".
442 thinks he's just a shade behind MOTM, James Milner.
442 thinks he's just a shade behind MOTM, James Milner.
I'm starting to appreciate this guy more and more now that he's been absent. Then looking at those comparison stats to Aguero who is widely regarded as one of the best players in the EPL if not the best and it's quite impressive. I think Rooney is a victim of the astronomically high expectations because he's been this prodigy since teenage hood which makes it difficult for him to reach some people's expectations. But the reality is when you look at his stats, he's going to become a United legend.
The appearances are close but if you look at the minutes played Rooney has played the equivalent of 15 games more.
Yeah, Kun just so rarely finishes games. Not as fine and in shape specimen as our captain.
Rooney's record is pretty decent for a half decent, fat and unfit, overrated, rubbish footballer.
Just scored another against Estonia. So how many goals now required for him to break sir bobby charlton record?
I think 6 more goals to match it.
He really should've scored more tonight. I'm sure a few will carry on about him being a scapegoat etc, but his finishing has been poor.
49 Charlton
48 Lineker
48 Own Goal, Esq
44 Greaves
43 Rooney
You can do it!
48 Lineker
48 Own Goal, Esq
44 Greaves
43 Rooney
You can do it!
His finishing has been unusually poor during the international break.
Some complacency in there I think, which isn't nice to see. He'd be smashing those chances in at club level.
Some complacency in there I think, which isn't nice to see. He'd be smashing those chances in at club level.
Typical Rooney tonight - an absolutely awful footballing display yet the record books show a goal or assist more often than not.
Yeah, the overall inconsistent/unconvincing touch isn't unusual, but his finishing is usually much better.
Yep, no exaggeration to say he should have scored at least 5 from the chances he's had in these 2 matches
I just wish he would be more ruthless with these chances he's getting. He's wasting them by trying to be too clever with these chips and little dinks. Either go round the keeper or put some proper power behind a shot. You'd think he'd be making the most of his England appearances while he's out suspended for us.
Unless he has an Owen style fall from grace or a career ending injury, he'll undoubtedly break both records (appearances and goals scored)
His finishing over the games has been worrying though, he's looked in good nick for United so far this season, so hopefully this is just the standard crap England performances that always seems to happen to the players.
An aggressively poor performance, but still the match winner.
99 England appearances already. Amazing.
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