So, Rooney is not as good as Messi...who would have thought that eh?
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So, Rooney is not as good as Messi...who would have thought that eh?
It's not the stats though, the free kick could have gone in, doesn't change the fact that his overall game is in a very bad way just now. It's been shocking in his 4 games this season, during the world cup and inconsistent more than any other "top" player. Gives the ball away a lot more than he should with poor passing and bad touches. His slow decision making is also making us too predictable in an attacking sense.
He's a striker. He's there to score goals when chances are created, which they have not been yet this season. Do you think Chelsea supporters expect Costa to create their chances and have brilliant "overall game". I can answer that question for you - NO.
I think Rooney wouldn't have put a toe on the field if SAF had stayed another season.
Strange comparison, Costa doesn't come deep and slow down play. He stays up top, where Wayne should stay but no, he always drops deep and tries that stupid crossfield ball that hardly ever comes off, or he takes far too long on the ball that by the time his minds made up every opposition player is back behind the ball. If he wants to play as a striker then he needs to act like one. Falcao is a striker who rarely drops deep, RVP hardly ever drops deep, because he's a striker. Rooney thinks he's a creative playmaker and a striker, and only one of those things are really true nowadays.
I can name 10 forwards better than Rooney in Europe as we speak. Stop posting meaningless stats to explain Rooney's lack of basic skills on the ball.
His stats are padded up by his setplays. He had a shyte game yesterday but he scored. Stats will not remember his shit game but stats will remember he scored a goal any outfield player could have scored if Rooney wasn't on the pitch.
Genuine question: When was Rooneys last top class game? Im not saying this as a bash, but when was it? What was the last game that stood out where he carried us (either with a performance or important goals).
The one thing Rooney can be accused of is his predictability as a number 10. Hes probably one of the worst (right now) that ive seen. A pass comes into him, he takes it away from goal and pings it out to the winger. This is like 4/5 times he does this. Unfortunately that winger is Valencia who then proceeds to smash it at a defenders ankles or over hits it for a throw / goal kick.
The one thing Rooney can be accused of is his predictability as a number 10. Hes probably one of the worst (right now) that ive seen. A pass comes into him, he takes it away from goal and pings it out to the winger. This is like 4/5 times he does this. Unfortunately that winger is Valencia who then proceeds to smash it at a defenders ankles or over hits it for a throw / goal kick.
Leverkusen away springs to my mind.
Rooney is the modern jack of all trade, master of none. He's a street footballer, he doesn't understand positional discipline.
Falcao/RVP are better as a 9
Mata/Kagawa are better as a 10
Which leads to the $64,000 question, what position suits Rooney the most?
I agree.
fecking stats. Stats should be used to support an argument and not base the whole bloody dam thing on them.
In the same game Valencia, Nani, Kagawa and Anderson also looked great. Shows a lot more about the opposition if anything.
Erm, I think you'll find Rooney has always said his favoured position is up front but he's happy to play in different positions for the team. Needless to bring up his stats for the 09/10 season, the one season he was played in his preferred position the whole season.
Maybe if our midfield could do more of a job, he wouldn't feel the need to drop deep and make something happen. This crossfield ball obsession on here needs to stop as well. So he tries to switch up play a few times in a match, big deal.
If he drops deep and wants to dictate play then he has to be more consistent with his control, passing and awareness but these are things Rooney's always been inconsistent with, and a lot more so recently. I don't see how people can't see this from watching him every week.
One season then, when our wingers were actually good. Switching play to the right almost every time he picks up the ball is predictable. Watch the Swansea game again, and you'll see him try the same pass 5 times and Neil Taylor intercepted every one. It's predictable percentage football, there's no creative spark there. No, you see he drops deep and tries to be a playmaker but he just doesn't have the skill set anymore. Staying up top would give Mata more space to work in, and I agree the midfield do need to offer more but Rooney dropping deep is part of the problem when his play is hindering us even more.
Acutally he tries to get the ball on the Left side of the 18 yard box then makes a couple dribbles to his right to try and get off a curling right foot shot. If that is not on, then he pings it out to Valencia and rushes into the box.
Rooney is as predictable as Valencia.
I'd agree with this. I complain about Rooney a lot but I think if he was used as just a striker he would be fine. The number 10 role isn't working for him anymore and hasn't for a while, I don't really think he'd work as a left sided attacker either though.
Uhm, Ando played just 10 minutes and made one through ball so he was hardly impressive. Yes, Kagawa and Nani looked good but it doesn't really make Leverkusen any worse. We didn't really win 5-0 against them at home either.
Not that I'm trying to defend Rooney anyway. I'd rather pick RVP over him any time of the day.
Are you thick in the head? When and where did I post stats?
You are the one posting Messi stats to downplay Rooney's achievements at United, as if that told us anything we didn't already know.
And anyone who thinks Kagawa is better than Rooney in any position needs their heads checked. It's so blatantly untrue and yet has somehow become a fact. Ridiculous.
But we have been told here that he's been better than RVP in the last 12 months.
Not by me. Of course there are those camps, you know, RVP vs Rooney, previously it was Rooney vs Kagawa, Rooney vs Mata, Kagawa vs Mata, etc. It's how the shit rolls and I doubt we can change each other's minds here.
All I'm hoping is that Falcao's arrival gives Rooney and RVP the kick up the arse they both need and that performances from the pair of them drastically improve and if not then both of them can sit on the bench for all I care.
My point exactly. A penalty. Anyone critical of him will probably get "oh but he's scored X goals in the last X seasons so what are you talking about?" thrown at them, forgetting the amount of games he's had similar to last night where he scores but was a detrimental effect on the team otherwise.
Kagawa is the better passer of the ball & he's way better than Rooney in close control.
Kagawa's vision, panache, calmness at the edge of the box is also better than Rooney. If Kagawa was the one tasked to be taking our set-plays, Rooney would be a nobody at United.
Rooney is older now than Ricky Hatton was during his last great performance.
Sometimes being involved in many a war takes its toll on the body (particularly if you aren't a naturally fit person who has to work doubly hard to reach peak fitness).
Yeah, you're wrong.
What a load of garbage.
ANd since you keep mentioning set plays, how many assist from set plays does Rooney have in the last 2 seasons?
So Rooney has 3.1 assists/1000 minutes and Messi (arguably the greatest player in the history of football, playing most of his career for arguably the most dominant team in the history of football) has 4.5 assists/1000 minutes.
Aye, that has me convinced that Rooney's about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
You're not very good at this, are you?
Giggs was also great in that match.
Yep, a 40 year old stole the show.
Not just wrong. He's a fecking idiot. Only a fecking idiot could post that drivel.
don't worry, I'm on the case.
I'm all for criticising players on here but that's completely made up.
He also was impressive against Real fecking Madrid, what a shite club they are.
You are clueless!
There are assists from open play and set play. Xavi takes the bulk of Barca's corner kicks & crossed freekicks. Rooney takes everything here at Man Utd. Surely, the assist stats would be skewed in Rooney's favour unless you are a dummy!
Why are you comparing assists? Why not compare the goals & chances created per game since Rooney likes to drop deep and play in the hole?
No. He doesn't. In fact it was only relatively recently in his career he started taking free-kicks of any kind (Ronaldo and Giggs used to be first choice) and he still doesn't take a big proportion of corners or free-kicks from wide areas, seeing as he's needed in the box.
This is frigging stupid. Like arguing with a potato. I'm out.
Yeah, walk away before I break out my potatoes>Rooney stats...
Nail on the head. Top level competition is great to have and I'm desperately hoping that at least one of the 2 rise to the challenge, if not both of them.
Ronaldo left in 2009. That's 5 years ago. It's pretty stüpid you are mentioning Ronaldo after 5 years. Van Persie was injured for most parts of last season so Rooney was the chief set-piece taker.
After getting destroyed, you have no choice but to run. Make sure i don't catch you again offering ridiculous excuses as to why Rooney is mediocre.
Fat chance.
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