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Goals are kind of a big deal in football but each to his own.
Keane's a better striker than a lot of people are willing to give him credit for. A bit like Rooney. So they've got that in common. Along with all the goals.
I know. If only I mentioned another manager in there...
God, don't get me started on Keane too! We'll agree to disagree I think.
I think people are being unrealistic when they state which pairing we will choose to play regularly. Even if one of them shows to be slightly better together we will continue to use all of them.
We have three world class player for two positions and all the possible combinations will create a pairing with its own weaknesses and strengths.
The one rule that will apply is that if one of them hits a great run of form then he will be a certain starter for that duration.
Falcao and RVP: Certainly is the tactically best by a mile. They will provide the most penetrative runs, the most pure goal scoring and on the defense they will again play their role brilliantly.
This partnership would be popular if we replace the defensively weak Mata with Di Maria in the AM position.
I think it would be popular when we are playing teams we are very superior to as well, but then with Mata still there.
Rooney and Falcao: The most different pairing. Rooney is a playmaking and hard working striker who will be everywhere on the pitch. Falcao is a pure goal scorer. Rooney is the best defensively and runs the most of our strikers.
We will see it when we need a good defense as Rooney helps out Mata more than the other striker options would.
Rooney and RVP: Probably the worst combination as they are very similar. Hopefully LVG decides to give them slightly differing roles with Rooney trying to link up out wide or by falling down and by telling RVP to stay inside the box.
Naturally they are too similar and they don't really click as a partnership. When one drops, the other doesn't make a run because it is so unclear when the link up "drop" will be made and by who.
The only thing that can't ever happen as a striker duo is that you both fall down at the same time to offer the link up play. If both makes runs it is okay, if one falls and the other makes a run its brilliant, if one falls and the other stands still its okay.
We have three world class player for two positions and all the possible combinations will create a pairing with its own weaknesses and strengths.
The one rule that will apply is that if one of them hits a great run of form then he will be a certain starter for that duration.
Falcao and RVP: Certainly is the tactically best by a mile. They will provide the most penetrative runs, the most pure goal scoring and on the defense they will again play their role brilliantly.
This partnership would be popular if we replace the defensively weak Mata with Di Maria in the AM position.
I think it would be popular when we are playing teams we are very superior to as well, but then with Mata still there.
Rooney and Falcao: The most different pairing. Rooney is a playmaking and hard working striker who will be everywhere on the pitch. Falcao is a pure goal scorer. Rooney is the best defensively and runs the most of our strikers.
We will see it when we need a good defense as Rooney helps out Mata more than the other striker options would.
Rooney and RVP: Probably the worst combination as they are very similar. Hopefully LVG decides to give them slightly differing roles with Rooney trying to link up out wide or by falling down and by telling RVP to stay inside the box.
Naturally they are too similar and they don't really click as a partnership. When one drops, the other doesn't make a run because it is so unclear when the link up "drop" will be made and by who.
The only thing that can't ever happen as a striker duo is that you both fall down at the same time to offer the link up play. If both makes runs it is okay, if one falls and the other makes a run its brilliant, if one falls and the other stands still its okay.
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I was joking mate.
I know. You were the second person to do that though. Can only restrain my inner smart-arse for so long!
What arguments, exactly? In regards to his first touch, control and passing, you know, the basics, much of the criticisms are warranted and have been for some time. He isn't a #10 and he has no right to be playing there.
I don't think he is a 'problem' for us at club level, but I do think the England team could benefit from allowing four younger, faster, more dynamic players to take up the mantle and play in that front four.
Yeah and didn't play very well in any of them so he was dropped for the Madrid game. After which it seemed like Fergie started the process of phasing him out with a view to getting rid in the summer.
That was the season where he turned up at Everton genuinely looking out of shape and unfit. The 2012/2013 was his worst at Utd I think.
It really is pointless arguing with some Rooney supporters. I have my favourites too but I don't let that cloud my judgement.
Instead of becoming irate and even insulting why don't they just look at his performances for what they are without saying that others have been just as bad or worse.
Its plain to see that Rooney is not playing well. One can argue the length of his poor form but to continue to make excuses for him is just simply silly.
Instead of becoming irate and even insulting why don't they just look at his performances for what they are without saying that others have been just as bad or worse.
Its plain to see that Rooney is not playing well. One can argue the length of his poor form but to continue to make excuses for him is just simply silly.
I think I'm with you on Keane actually. He's not as shite as people make out but when he's not getting on the end of stuff in the box he's a passenger. Nothing else to his game. The white Darren Bent.
Rooney's cut from different cloth but yeah, will agree to disagree.
True, but you know, a striker - not to mention a good striker for what is supposed to be a good team - will score goals. Doesn't mean he's the best player for the role at the club. Van Nistelrooy scored tons, but we got to a stake when using Saha, who wasn't as good as scorer but was quicker and had different abilities, was better for the team.
I just don't know with Rooney. He'll always pop up with something special here and there, but I'm not sure that covers how poor he can be for quite substantial periods. He'll always get you goals and assists because he's a good player, but should he still be a focal point for United? When we see the problems we have in attack, is he part of the solution or part of the problem? And even if it's not the latter, does our best solution include him? I honestly have big doubts there.
He hasn't been great. I don't know if he's been told to stay up top, but he isn't getting on the ball enough.
Today he was man marked the entire game and frankly it was a piece of piss doing it as he barely moved. Sturridge was constantly on the move, asking for the ball and making sure he got it.
He hasn't developed any sort of partnership with Sturridge or RvP. I don't think he ever will except for the odd occasion.
Today he was man marked the entire game and frankly it was a piece of piss doing it as he barely moved. Sturridge was constantly on the move, asking for the ball and making sure he got it.
He hasn't developed any sort of partnership with Sturridge or RvP. I don't think he ever will except for the odd occasion.
SAF did his best to give him the boot by announcing publicly he'd asked for a move then Rooney demanded an apology from SAF claiming he'd never handed in a transfer request.
Did I say he should play as a number 10? No, I did not. I said good night. And I repeat it: Good fecking night.
For a so called world class talent his ratio of poor to good/great performances is shocking.
Apparently there are "appalling" arguments in this thread, I'm curious as to where they are. You can sit at your computer making sarcy comments all night but the stark reality is that the observations regarding the consistency of Rooney's touch, control and passing are all correct and very fair.
People aren't just making it up. Rooney is a phenomenal goalscorer, but if people want to cover their eyes and ears and just pretend as if his all round is as good as it should be then they're only fooling themselves.
My comment about him playing at #10 was just my own opinion. I wasn't implying you indicated anything to do with that topic.
And yeah, good night.
100% agree with this. I've said it before, if LVG plays him in that #10 role I'd be gobsmacked. I'd even go as far as to say if we play a 4-3-3 then I wouldn't have him in the starting eleven. There are better suited players for any position that he plays in.
I'm not just talking about this season which is three games old. I am including last season. When RVP and Rooney played together last season. Rooney was the #10 and he was poor there. People were constantly asking for Kagawa to come in instead of him. Mata hasn't played that many games but Giggs did drop him. RVP has been injured a lot last season which means he wasn't available to start or be dropped. However a year and half ago RVP won us the league single handedly which is a lot more than what Rooney ahs done for us recently.
From what I've seen this season, Rooney has to adapt his game for me now. I think his days as a striker seem numbered and if he wants to continue playing at the top level he has to be willing to change his game. You don't really fancy him in a foot race with quick players anymore and he seems to get muscled quite easily by top centre backs. If he drops into a deeper role then I can still see him being effective. He can still spot a pass, he can still shoot and finish well and he does seem to have the stamina to run a full 90 minutes.
Maybe he is still to trying to regain his full fitness and he is not 100% for some reason but it just looks very bleak for him.
Maybe he is still to trying to regain his full fitness and he is not 100% for some reason but it just looks very bleak for him.
His decline is inevitable. It's like a great band. When they are raw, young and creative they make great albums. Time, money, and the world eventually catch up to them but they continue to make professional & respectable music, because people will still buy the records and the concert tickets. They recognize the band's name and the songs are familiar but the performance is nothing like it was during the early days. Rooney's basically on the football equivalent of a reunion tour. Huge money for uninspired performance. In short, he has become what he loves. An old prostitute.
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More Rooney criticism I take it lads?
Typical Rooney performance tonight. Awful most of the time, losing the ball, horrible touches, hollywood balls, slowing down play, no movement etc but bags a goal. Thats what you get from wayne and thats what we will continue to get probably.
His ratio of good to average/poor games must be horrendous nowadays.
His ratio of good to average/poor games must be horrendous nowadays.
Well thank god we have a world class manager with 20 years experience of managing top teams and the very best football players and not you lot.
Here I was, reading your post thinking you had put so much thought into it (not that I agree with you), but then I got to that last bit and it cracked me up
Only saw the first half hour or so, but Rooney was quite shit, like an increasing amount of Rooney's performances nowadays. Sloppy passing, bad first touch, generally not up to scratch.
No doubt though is numbers will be good this season, as per, but his general play is getting worse and worse it seems.
No doubt though is numbers will be good this season, as per, but his general play is getting worse and worse it seems.
Genuinely laughed.
Taking all the the 'sides' away, all the Rooney 'haters' all his 'defenders', taking all the bullshit away, contracts, captaincy, not thinking about any prejudice against him for previous indiscretions...the truth is...I miss the old Rooney. I really genuinely do. I loved watching him play. The power, the pace, the unpredictability. He was a joy to watch. And he just isn't anymore, in fact, aesthetically speaking he's probably one of the least exciting players nowadays. Yes, he's capable of the odd moment of genius still, a killer pass, a beautiful goal, but they're few and far between now. His play is boring, its predictable, its just stale.
He'll continue to rack up the stats, because he's still a good player, but he's not ever going to be the great player he once was. He's lost to much of what made that player so fantastic. And its a shame.
He'll continue to rack up the stats, because he's still a good player, but he's not ever going to be the great player he once was. He's lost to much of what made that player so fantastic. And its a shame.
I just saw a video from when he scored a hattrick against Bolton in '07, and his finishing was sublime. I know he was on a goal drought before that game, but I don't think anyone will disagree with me when I say his finishing doesn't seem anywhere near as good as that now a days - or at least not as consistent.
His finishing is far better now than it was then but his overall play is definitely worse and less consistent. He doesn't score those sort of goals anymore because he doesn't have that electric speed he once had to get in behind defenders.
Yep although it almost impossible to keep that style up and then add the way Rooney looks after his body it was never going to last. But as you say there's still moments of genius there and unlike any other player I've seen when's he's good he's very good but when he's bad he's... well you get the point,there is no middle ground.
It's all or nothing with Wayne and it's been like that for a good few years.
Still at moment I'm not expecting anything from him as like the rest of the United their are still in the trial and error stage with Van Gaal ideas.
I agree with you - he only turns it on when contract time comesa round (like early last season before he extended).Maybe the question should be directed to non United England fans. Rooney got a goal for them today, despite by all accounts, another sub par performance. Is it still in the team's best interest to have him?
From the England fans I know it's pretty evenly split. Some don't think he's good enough to start and would have him on the bench while others think he's our best player and should start every game. The latter is where quite a lot of journalists and pundits stand, though I think that's starting to change with some.
The problem is that his passing can be really inconsistent. His short passing in particular is very hit and miss. He needs to get his form back and fast.
So, similar to United's situation then.
Except England don't have Mata, Di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie.
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