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2014-15 Performances

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37
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14
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charleysurf said:
Eh? He can't have been good and had a disappointing performance. Christ, only people with agendas can get tied up in such knots.
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He was wrong in explaining it in such a contradictory way but I agree with his point. All he really said was that the performance that Rooney put on today was typical of Welbeck a couple of years ago where his all round play was impressive but when it came to putting the ball in the net, he wasted his chances. That's what Rooney did today and what that poster meant by 'disappointing', just as most would have labelled it a disappointing performance were it Welbeck who had missed the same chances while playing decently the rest of the game.

Then I went on to explain that Rooney usually does the opposite in that his all round play is quite poor yet he manages to get a goal or two despite how bad he plays for the rest of the game. This is the reason most people, I included, are not fond of him. The real question is: Is his tendency to play bad for long periods in many games justified by his productivity? I believe not but I am not going to criticise another poster for having a different opinion by calling him a 'Fanboy'. Rather I will argue my reasons for believing this to be the case.

In what way do I have an agenda? I'm simply writing what I see. I dislike Rooney as a player in the same way I dislike Cleverley, Young and Valencia as players. Why does debating that point with certain people on a forum amount to me having an 'agenda'. I could just as easily call anyone defending him, such as yourself, a 'Fanboy' , but you are not and I likewise, do not have an agenda. We just have a difference in opinion and neither one is correct nor incorrect.

You are the one getting tied up in a 'knot'. It's quite obvious what that poster meant to say yet you seem to be stuck on his poor choice of words rather than referring to the actual point he or I made.
 
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Someone's trying to argue with me that Bony is better than Rooney because he scored 6 more goals last season, even though he plays as a striker and Rooney played off van Persie/Welbeck for most of the year. Added to that Rooney got 22 assists, picked up injuries and carried us through that run around Christmas virtually on his own.
 
charleysurf said:
what universe is this from? :lol:
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His touch is atrocious, his decision making has deserted him also, he's supposed to be a top class performer but he looked like a player that couldn't finish.
Guess it's just the general lowering of standards, and you always get @Pogue Mahone hanging round a thread defending anyone who seems like an underdog, it was Moyes last season until the penny dropped and he's been back defending him since :lol: even Cleverleys come in for a bit of fierce defense, you do love an underdog eh Pogue.
 
gasmanc said:
His touch is atrocious, his decision making has deserted him also, he's supposed to be a top class performer but he looked like a player that couldn't finish.
Guess it's just the general lowering of standards, and you always get @Pogue Mahone hanging round a thread defending anyone who seems like an underdog, it was Moyes last season until the penny dropped and he's been back defending him since :lol: even Cleverleys come in for a bit of fierce defense, you do love an underdog eh Pogue.
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You seem the be only one who thinks Rooney was 'wank'. It rather seems more you're the one making contrarian statements, crying for attention, not Pogue.
 
charleysurf said:
You seem the be only one who thinks Rooney was 'wank'. It rather seems more you're the weirdo making contrarian statements, crying for attention, not Pogue.
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He was a bit wank though, let's be fair.. No?
Don't remember stating Pogue was "crying for attention" though, he just likes an underdog in my opinion, that's not a slant on his personality but it does create a bias at times, similar to my personal dislike of Rooney.

All I can say is that I hope you're right and you most likely will be at some point during the season, sadly for United the most consistent fact is that so will you and so will I.
 
gasmanc said:
He was a bit wank though, let's be fair.. No?
Don't remember stating Pogue was "crying for attention" though, he just likes an underdog in my opinion, that's not a slant on his personality but it does create a bias at times, similar to my personal dislike of Rooney.

All I can say is that I hope you're right and you most likely will be at some point during the season, sadly for United the most consistent fact is that so will you and so will I.
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The fact that you have a "personal dislike of Rooney" pretty much makes your views on his performances worthless. I couldn't give a feck about his personality or his lifestyle or his wages as long as he does well for United. I'd say the same about any United player.

Bunch of fecking teenage girls on here who have their 'favourites' who are defended at all costs , and their hates who can do no right. We had one weirdo, alleged United fan, on here who wanted Rooney to get injured tonight FFS. Be better off finding a boyband to follow, not a football team.
 
charleysurf said:
The fact that you have a "personal dislike of Rooney" pretty much makes your views on his performances worthless. I couldn't give a feck about his personality or his lifestyle or his wages as long as he does well for United. I'd say the same about any United player.

Bunch of fecking teenage girls on here who have their 'favourites' who are defended at all costs , and their hates who can do no right. We had one weirdo, alleged United fan, on here who wanted Rooney to get injured tonight FFS. Be better off finding a boyband to follow, not a football team.
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Well like I said I do hope your right, and I have been proven wrong by Rooney before today, he just looks like a player past his best, I am not alone in this opinion, there's even a thread on it.

Couldn't finish his dinner tonight.
 
Thought Rooney was good yesterday, especially 2nd half. Held it up well and played some nice intricate passes to his teammates which really opened up play.
 
Only thing he really did wrong was not hit that pass from Wilshere on the full volley in the first half. The amount of criticism he gets is astonishing. In the first half he was wide open, ready for a shot but Sterling bounced a bobbling pass at him instead of rolling, and despite controlling the terrible pass through the defenders legs, he was still lambasted for not doing better - when the pass was the problem.

His first touch isn't great and he's not as fast as he used to be, but he was still a very effective attacking player tonight.
 
I'm a big critic of Rooney but he was okay tonight in the first half and good in the second. It was nice to see him running at the Swiss defence with purpose for the first goal and then produce a lovely weighted pass for Sterling.

I think he's been pretty awful so far this season but hopefully tonight will act as a little boost of confidence for him, it was a good win for England.
 
England generally weren't great but he played the right pass to Sterling for the first goal and generally looked a bit better than his recent outings.

Hopefully an improved performance to come against QPR.
 
He's on 300K a week ffs people, comparing him to Welbeck and Bony is ridiculous, I wouldn't be happy if Rooney added consistency to his game, he needs to offer alot more than that, that shouldnt even be in question, he gets paid in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo, I expect nothing less than 50+ goals/assists a season and to be at his best at all times, if he can't produce that we should get him off our books.
 
wiz4231 said:
He's on 300K a week ffs people, comparing him to Welbeck and Bony is ridiculous, I wouldn't be happy if Rooney added consistency to his game, he needs to offer alot more than that, that shouldnt even be in question, he gets paid in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo, I expect nothing less than 50+ goals/assists a season and to be at his best at all times, if he can't produce that we should get him off our books.
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Jesus christ mate, he's not Messi and Ronaldo level for a start, and this is the premier league. No one scores 50 goals. He's a 25-30 goals player on top form.
 
wiz4231 said:
He's on 300K a week ffs people, comparing him to Welbeck and Bony is ridiculous, I wouldn't be happy if Rooney added consistency to his game, he needs to offer alot more than that, that shouldnt even be in question, he gets paid in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo, I expect nothing less than 50+ goals/assists a season and to be at his best at all times, if he can't produce that we should get him off our books.
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Really 50+ goals a season?? not even Ruud scored that many for us what is wrong with you.
 
wiz4231 said:
He's on 300K a week ffs people, comparing him to Welbeck and Bony is ridiculous, I wouldn't be happy if Rooney added consistency to his game, he needs to offer alot more than that, that shouldnt even be in question, he gets paid in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo, I expect nothing less than 50+ goals/assists a season and to be at his best at all times, if he can't produce that we should get him off our books.
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He's on 200k a week but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
 
bosnian_red said:
It was the same basic salary as he had before with united, around 200k, but we have an agreement where both United and Rooney benefit from sponsorships or something like that.
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I thought it was 250 k a week, but the rumor a couple of months back said they raised it to 300k a week. They later dispelled that rumor and said it was 250k a week but the new contract included Rooney benefiting from sponsorships.

He's on the same money as RVP and I think both have 250k a week.
 
Whatever the actual figure is, £200k/£250K/£300K, its well above his ability.

His agent is a genius.
 
He was ok tonight, had a decent snap shot near the end of the first half and looked more comfortable when Woy moved Sterling wider in the second half as in the first Rooney kept coming deep into the same space. His pass to Sterling in the lead up to the goal was nicely weighted, not always his strongest suit.
 
Good performance. Won't be his best but he grew into the game, he makes a good captain. Got in a huddle at the start and gave a team talk, and it's been the best England game I've seen in a while. I actually enjoyed it. We could have been a bit more clinical at times, Sterling should have scored in the second half, Rooney could have taken a volley on (would have in the second half I think).
 
Sam said:
Whatever the actual figure is, £200k/£250K/£300K, its well above his ability.

His agent is a genius.
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He's one of the most marketable players in the world, and will soon be both Manchester United's and England's highest ever goalscorers. Saying he's shit or something like that just sounds dumb when all the facts point otherwise.
 
Sam said:
Whatever the actual figure is, £200k/£250K/£300K, its well above his ability.

His agent is a genius.
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Salaries aren't based purely on footballing ability though. That may be wrong, but you can't say Rooney doesn't deserve it. He's marketable and all...
 
Yes he had a good game and considering the amount of weak countries in England's group one can expect him to score many goals but I hope persons don't start saying how great he is again. These matches should be taken in context, a better judge of his abilities will be against stronger opposition.
 
From what I saw last night, I think he was pretty good. I mean, by 'world class striker' standards it wasn't necessarily the best I've ever seen or anything - but it was a performance at a level where people do not have to defend/justify his status as a top player. It was the first performance in quite a while I think that I could probably watch with someone who has never watched him before, and not have to give them a long background explanation that he is actually one of the best players around. They could probably at least begin to conceive there may be something to such a statement based on last-night's performance.

He looked a bit quicker than he has done, and his link play was also quite impressive. I hope he continues to improve, as I'd imagine he'll be playing for us regardless.
 
Sam said:
Whatever the actual figure is, £200k/£250K/£300K, its well above his ability.

His agent is a genius.
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He's been at the club 10 years, will soon be our highest goalscorer ever and he plays for Manchester United. Of course his latest (and final) salary negotiation was going to make him one of the highest paid players in the league. If the highest paid players in the league are on silly money, that's not down to Rooney's agent being a genius. It's down to all the money pumped into the PL over the last few years.
 
As I mentioned in the match thread last night, when Rooney plays well, England play well. He is influence on games is massively under estimated by fans and the media alike. If he's off form, then it affects the whole team, if he's on form, he makes everything tick.

Unfortunately, his season invariably pans out as follows, not exact obviously but I think you can get the gist, 1/3 injured, 1/3 coming back form injury/getting his form back, 1/3 the World class player everyone knows he can be. He is coming in to form at just the right time for United, my guess is he will rip up the league for the next 2 months, get injured towards the end of November, be out until mid January, spend the rest of January & February and half of March trying to get back his form and rip it up again until the end of the season.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
So if Rooney is expected to score 50+ goals for being on 250 a week how many should Falcao score 70? :lol:
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On his wage, 50+ goals/assists combined is whats expected, if Ronaldo and Messi can easily do that every season even with injuries why can't he, he is in the same wage bracket as them.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wayne-rooney-2013-14-performances.185834/
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His opening line is telling:

I've had enough of people, including United fans, questioning the boy's talent and class.
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This was in 2008, when we were the best club side in the world (we'd go on to win the CL and WCC only months later), and a 22 year old Rooney was one of our key players. But as the sentence makes clear, his 'talent and class' were still being questioned.

Such criticisms have dogged him for years.

Even in 2009/10, when he was a one-man goal machine, i'd go onto general/neutral football forums and you'd have people saying he'd simply become a tap-in merchant whose all around game had declined.

Or post-World Cup 2010, when the vitriol and 'Rooney is finished' type commentary was at a similar level to what it is now. It took months and months and months of him playing well - well enough to secure a 5th placed finish in the Ballon d'Or that season - before people finally dropped it.

Or in 2011/12, when he once again scored 27 league goals (he had a better goals per minute ration than RvP, the Golden Boot winner that season), and was once again dismissed as a tap-in merchant who didn't contribute enough to the build up play, and was the major reason we lost the league to City (people still argue that now).

Some people are just going to criticise him whatever he does, not least because he's been the most high profile player at the most hated club in the country for years.

Personally - and you can call me petty if you like - I can't wait to see him retire from England. Let Wilshere/Sterling/Sturridge have to put up with all the 'build them up to knock them down' shite that is flung at all of the better England players without fail.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Really 50+ goals a season?? not even Ruud scored that many for us what is wrong with you.
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Let me break down you in more simpler words, 50+ goals and assists combined, now is that too much to ask for a 300k a week player?
Would you expect that much from Messi or Rinaldo?
 
NessunDorma said:
His opening line is telling:



This was in 2008, when we were the best club side in the world (we'd go on to win the CL and WCC only months later), and a 22 year old Rooney was one of our key players. But as the sentence makes clear, his 'talent and class' were still being questioned.

Such criticisms have dogged him for years.

Even in 2009/10, when he was a one-man goal machine, i'd go onto general/neutral football forums and you'd have people saying he'd simply become a tap-in merchant whose all around game had declined.

Or post-World Cup 2010, when the vitriol and 'Rooney is finished' type commentary was at a similar level to what it is now. It took months and months and months of him playing well - well enough to secure a 5th placed finish in the Ballon d'Or - before people moved on from it.

Ir in 2011/12, when he once again scored 27 goals (he had a better goals per minute ration than RvP, the Golden Boot winner that season), but was once again dismissed a tap-in merchant he didn't contribute enough to build up play, and was the major reason we lost the league to City (people still argue that now).

Some people are just going to criticise him whatever he does, not least because he's been the high most profile player at the most hated club in the country for years.

Personally - and you can call me petty if you like - I can't wait to see him retire from England. Let Wilshere/Sterling/Sturridge have to put up with all the 'build them up only to knock them down' shite that is flung at the better England players without fail.
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Basically agree with all of this. It's a shame he received England captaincy, as he will now play to an older age which will be detrimental to himself, Manchester United, and England, much like the over preservation of Gerrard and Lampard.
 
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