Evidently why he missed that chance. Simply just has too much on his mind with such large responsibilities.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I thought Rooney was average. Certainly not our worst player but wouldn't say he was our best. Thing is though I would say and this is him playing his best role but I don't think it is, I think he's best as the lead man. But either way it's at least his second best/favoured role and I thought he needed to do more. He's not carrying any injury as far as we know and had a few games to get his sharpness (a lot more than Suarez). Yet in reality despite where he's played he's ended up with the best chances and only taken one of them and that's a clear difference between him and the other top players so far.
Tbf though he hasn't been helped with the tactics. Today it took till around half time to get any delivery from the left and Johnson, the assist aside was working hard to avoid using his right foot in attack, sort of an anti-Valencia. So we really got little consistent service from wide and then with Welbeck/Stirling/Barkley etc all coming inside there were few players actually running in behind and although I don't think it's Rooney's strength to then play them in it would at least open options and space for him.
Tbf though he hasn't been helped with the tactics. Today it took till around half time to get any delivery from the left and Johnson, the assist aside was working hard to avoid using his right foot in attack, sort of an anti-Valencia. So we really got little consistent service from wide and then with Welbeck/Stirling/Barkley etc all coming inside there were few players actually running in behind and although I don't think it's Rooney's strength to then play them in it would at least open options and space for him.
Was not specifically referring to you actually.
Suarez is probably the player I hate the most but one has to admit his performance was world class. Additionally he was coming back from an injury with no match fitness. He deserves National hero status.
Thought Rooney had a decent game, but I felt there was so much more he could have done. Don't think we're playing to his strengths, to be honest.
One of Rooney's strengths are receiving the ball in the pockets of space and using his great passing range to get it out wide and using his great timing to get on the end of the cross. There's been a countless amount of times Rooney has scored those type of goals for us, yet I felt we played way too narrow.
Personally, I would have told Sterling to keep the width, allowing Rooney more space to work within, as it was too congested in the middle. Yet again, like against Italy, we looked threatening in wide positions, yet we very really got it wide.
One of Rooney's strengths are receiving the ball in the pockets of space and using his great passing range to get it out wide and using his great timing to get on the end of the cross. There's been a countless amount of times Rooney has scored those type of goals for us, yet I felt we played way too narrow.
Personally, I would have told Sterling to keep the width, allowing Rooney more space to work within, as it was too congested in the middle. Yet again, like against Italy, we looked threatening in wide positions, yet we very really got it wide.
Rooney was better than previously and more deserving than most when it came to getting on the score sheet, however i doubt we'd have seen much different from him had he been the nominal No 9. It would have been better for England if Hodgson had simply chosen between him and Sturridge IMO, even late into the second half. The ineptitude of the central midfield didn't help the forwards of course.
He was a #10 tonight, his role was to roam and get the ball and give it to the striker, not wait for the ball to come to him in the box, thats why there was huge gaps and lack of link up play.
Then its up to other players to the plug the gaps surely.
Anyway, I would much rather Rooney than Kagawa. Rooney can change a game on his own, and even if he plays bad, he can usually provide someone a goal or an opportunity. Kagawa is the invisible man.
Except it's not really. It's the insane amount of greed from Sturridge and Sterling that can be nigh on unreadable in a supportive role.
How does Kagawa come into the England peformance?. Anyway, Fair enough if he was drifting left, right etc, then yes, others must cover the "floating #10" but he basically sat up top all game and made it very hard for the likes Henderson to bring rooney into the game with a simple pass. The lack of movement in comparision to a normal #10 meant Rooney was heavily marked and left large spaces where the only outfield pass was a hit and hope. Either way, the system was wrong for all players and the fault lies with the manager, you can't blame Rooney really if Managers refuse to sub him or create a system where there are large weakness.
Wayne Rooney broke his World Cup duck - but could not lift himself to the level that this game demanded
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-but-defensive-woes-cost-england-9550570.html
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Whats wrong with a striker being greedy? Mata "floats" gets the ball and gives it to someone, what they do from that point is up to them, greed or a 1-2. Either way Mata or Silva etc would go again, and keep feeding the striker. Rooney didn't do this really.
Kagawa was a different topic, but it was in another paragraph so I assumed it wouldn't matter!
There was a lack of movement from most of the players, Rooney moved about the most.
It wasn't a good performance by anyone, all I'm getting at is Rooneys only position he can play to a high level is the main striker. He isn't a winger nor #10. Managers should recognise this. If he can't beat sturridge to a strikers spot then he should be dropped or have a system built around 2 strikers or Rooney in a specific role. Simply bashing him on the pitch with other people bashed in one achieve anything
Sturridge was only in the number 9 because of reputation. He should have been subbed off, he was useless.
I get what you're saying yet at the same you can't overlook the cold, bitter truth that the idea of the game is to outscore the opponent and when you score the two goals in a 2-1 win you contributed more than anyone else on the pitch except in the case of a keeper who made gobs of brilliant saves.
Ruud van Nistelrooy had a similar impact as Suarez. He'd go without touching the ball for 20-30 minutes at a time but by the end of the game would score 2 or 3 goals. You can't go far in a World Cup without such a player. You can go far in a World Cup without a Wayne Rooney.
To be honest Rooney was not that bad but definitely not great.
I thought England played well against Italy. The biggest problem was their left-sided defense. So what did they do? They moved sterling from a position in which he played well and did not add a more defensive mid-fielder to aid the back four. This resulted in neither the attack or defense playing well.
If they wanted to get the best out of Rooney they should have put him on top and left Sterling where he played well. Sturridge could have played the Right wing so he could cut in onto his Left.
I know that, I just hate Suarez..
Both Suarez and Cavani were better than Rooney. However Rooney was still good, a surprise these days.
Tough times ahead for poor wayne. He is going to get a bollocking from the media and will have to prove himself all over again under LVG. To add to that, no team will be willing to take him off our hands.
The media giveth and the media taketh away.
Some supporters are just so unhinged it's a bit scary.
He genuinely looks to be putting his all into this match and actually put in a pretty good performance, but for me this more than any game kind of showed a player who is no longer part of the elite. He played his heart out but it wasn't enough, a couple of years ago Rooney with this kind of determination would have won England the match as he had the ability. But I just feel that we have seen the best of Wayne. He is still a very good player but I don't believe he will reach the levels he once did again. This has been mentioned alot recently but this game particularly showed it as you could see the desire he had to make an impact on the game. In which he did but just didnt seem to have it in him to truly change the game on his own. Especially when you see a true world class striker down the other end.
There were 3 very good strikers on the field all making a good impact on the game but only one genuine world class one and it is quite clear to see the difference.
There were 3 very good strikers on the field all making a good impact on the game but only one genuine world class one and it is quite clear to see the difference.
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Let's be honest that Suraez wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for Gerrard passing him a ball while he was offsides or a wonderful pass from Cavani. Don't make it sound like he was making goals out of nothing. If you want that, look at RvP and Robben, heck even Messi's goal.
He did well, not amazing but when surrounded by some if the shit in that side, Gerard/Henderson etc there is only so much he can do. Good try lad.
If Kagawa had played like Rooney has against Italy and Uruguay we would be talking about the Bundesilga prodigy and how we should build our team around him, but no we always have to moan about Rooney no matter he does, he cant win.
There will be plenty who would be interested if he came on the market.
He should retire from the national team and concentrate on his club career from now on. He'll always be criticized no matter what he does for England. He is the great white hope who was supposed to win them an international tournament insipte of being surrounded by mediocre players and poor tactics from managers. Unfortunately, he hasn't and therefore bears the brunt of the ire from the fans the media.
Thought he played well, not his most dominant but still was very good but as others said, one can only do so much .
He hasn't lifted himself in a major competition since 2004.
Not a #10, but all things considered he wasn't half bad last night. Good run for the goal. Interesting times ahead for Rooney, however.
I thought it was his typical number 10 performance, didn't really aid the team in progressing up the pitch but got into positions for a few chances.
He needs to play upfront as otherwise he's just a deeper second striker that requires another creative talent behind him.
Still, last night is on Roy and Gerrard for me.
He needs to play upfront as otherwise he's just a deeper second striker that requires another creative talent behind him.
Still, last night is on Roy and Gerrard for me.
This is pretty much my opinion as well.
England still has a chance to make it into the next round. Once Italy wins against C Rica. Rooney will one more chance to really show his class and
Well we shall see against Costa Rica. He may, after all of this, still prove to be the "savior". If England has a mathematical chance after the Italy Vs C. Rica game the onus will be on him to finally come through for his country at a major event
Ah, like in every other game then.
Yes but maybe he will finally pull it off
Thought he was decent, improved, although at this level he probably should have stuck one of those two other main chances away. I still hear Scholes ringing in my ears about him possibly being 'past his peak' and I haven't seen anything to disprove that this world cup. Although Rooney's "peak" is/was pretty much highter than most other players.
This stuff in the media about Rooney missing his chances and Suarez taking his and that being the difference between them is getting on my tits a bit. Obviously, I do think Suarez has become a better player than Rooney but I thought Rooney played better than him last night. What's really being brushed under the carpet is that Suarez had three really good chances, not two. He fluffed a great chance at one point, when he was clean through coming in from the right and missed the goal by miles. Not even hitting the target being a cardinal sin for any striker.
In terms of converting chances the only real difference was two headers, with Rooney's being much more difficult to convert. This is all getting conveniently ignored in the post-game narrative of choice.
In terms of converting chances the only real difference was two headers, with Rooney's being much more difficult to convert. This is all getting conveniently ignored in the post-game narrative of choice.
Gerrard's diplomatic immunity from English press criticism is bad enough but Sturridge seems just as immune from what I've seen today. I thought he was absolutely atrocious. An Ashley Young of a performance, relentless diving included.
It really is getting tiresome
It's worse than tiresome. United players are pilloried when they make mistakes - remember the dart board with Becks' face on? - yet Gerrard is Teflon . I don't understand it, they get away with everything
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