He signed a new bumper deal with our club now he is a leading candidate for England captaincy. I know it's just not about the performance Rooney has a good commercial pull aswell - we can debate his performance in Every game but I think overall he is a top player, at time he is frustrating but you want hime in your team rather then in rival's team.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Rooney's misses influenced the final results of both games. Taken together with his average link-up play yesterday which failed to bring in game the other attacking players, they kind of cancelled out the contributions he made. Therefore, IMO, his performances didn't make a real difference.
That's enough. Don't want to waste my time arguing about Rooney's performances.
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Deserved candidate to be England captain. It will mean the haters putting him even more blame on him though.
Typical Wayne Rooney performance last night. Wasn't great and lost the ball a few times but arrived at the right time to score. Was unlucky not to get a goal earlier with a header off the post but tbf to him it was a bit awkward for him with his height. Decent all round display but not one of his better ones.
Still he has been directly involved in two goals England have scored. Might as well realise that there's something else that needs blaming.
Still he has been directly involved in two goals England have scored. Might as well realise that there's something else that needs blaming.
It's another case where I don't want or think he should be England captain but no other player strikes me as England captain material right now.
I you extrapolate his return from these two games to an average 44 appearance season, he would be on 22 goals 22 assists.
Quite a return for a No.10.
Factor in that this is against good international sides at a world cup,in south america, and not Hull City at Old Trafford.
Not his biggest fan here, myself, but some people's agendas have driven them to idiotic blindness.
Your forward scores and creates, he's done his job. You concede 4 goals regardless, look elsewhere you plonkers.
Quite a return for a No.10.
Factor in that this is against good international sides at a world cup,in south america, and not Hull City at Old Trafford.
Not his biggest fan here, myself, but some people's agendas have driven them to idiotic blindness.
Your forward scores and creates, he's done his job. You concede 4 goals regardless, look elsewhere you plonkers.
Thank God
Well, I did say I was playing devil's advocate somewhat.
Although it *is* true that he's gone into 2 of his 3 World Cups struggling for fitness. More so in 2006 - when he wasn't even fit enough to start the first 2 games - than in 2010.
Even in 2010, anyone will tell you post-ankle injury Rooney was a very different player from pre-ankle injury Rooney.
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You're talking like he had one of his best ever games.
He was invisible in the first half but made a decisive contribution in the second. Good game, but nothing more.
To be fair, his difficulty finding form after injuries might go in the "cons" column, rather than be used as an excuse. Suarez showed him how its done.
The problem with Rooney is he was lauded as world class as a 16yr old prodigy but never quite made it. No one else come along so the press stuck with him earning him a fortune on the way. Several crap international tournaments later and the truth can no longer be hidden - he's quite good but not great.
He had 3 sitters last night and missed 2. The contrast with genuine world class when a half fit Suarez nailed 2 out of 2 was never more evident.
He had 3 sitters last night and missed 2. The contrast with genuine world class when a half fit Suarez nailed 2 out of 2 was never more evident.
I've no problem criticising Rooney generally but it seems weird to criticise his performance yesterday when a) he was one of the few English players that looked like making a difference and b) the rest of his team were poor.
I guess you could criticise him for the missed chances but all that really proves is that he isn't as good a striker as the likes of Suarez or RvP, which we already knew. Beyond that though he's fine.
I guess you could criticise him for the missed chances but all that really proves is that he isn't as good a striker as the likes of Suarez or RvP, which we already knew. Beyond that though he's fine.
make him captain and i can see he will be blamed for england's euro 2016 exit already.
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He should do what Scholes did and retire from England football and concentrate on his club career. He will never really be appreciated there and will always have a bull eye on his back for every poor performances while being shunted all over the place to accommodate others.
He's got a lot of usage and games under him already and even his early 30s won't be as graceful as someone like RvP or Giggs.
He's got a lot of usage and games under him already and even his early 30s won't be as graceful as someone like RvP or Giggs.
Yeah this is definitely my thoughts. After the Italy game I criticised him a lot but honestly I realised that I can't expect him to reach heights he simply cannot attain anymore. Last night he clearly tried and had a good game but ultimately he just doesn't have it in him to increase a teams level like he used to.
It's all about the sponsorship deals, he'll milk the England cow for as long as he can.
I think we could be heading to another Lampard/Gerrard situation with him and Sturridge. I've said it before but I just don't think Rooney is as good as required off the striker. He pretty much plays it as a striker. I know he drops off but I don't think he's as good there as we'd want. Up front through I think he's quality, maybe not in the very top band but certainly in the next band.
With the players coming through though I think providing injuries work out we've got some players who could link up more naturally behind a striker but it means either dropping one of them or shifting one wide. Typically we'd try playing them both but if the penny did drop and we look to play say Rooney through the middle then I think he'd quickly show again why he's our best player. He's just not as good as we thought he was.
I mean tbf other teams have been playing a 442 but I just don't think we've got the players coming through for it and it is a more rare approach to see at the top level these days. I do rate Sturridge but I'd quite like to see a three of wilshere, barkley Henderson in the middle with stirling and AOC either side off Rooney against Costa Rica. They'll probably rest players anyway but I still think it would be good to see.
With the players coming through though I think providing injuries work out we've got some players who could link up more naturally behind a striker but it means either dropping one of them or shifting one wide. Typically we'd try playing them both but if the penny did drop and we look to play say Rooney through the middle then I think he'd quickly show again why he's our best player. He's just not as good as we thought he was.
I mean tbf other teams have been playing a 442 but I just don't think we've got the players coming through for it and it is a more rare approach to see at the top level these days. I do rate Sturridge but I'd quite like to see a three of wilshere, barkley Henderson in the middle with stirling and AOC either side off Rooney against Costa Rica. They'll probably rest players anyway but I still think it would be good to see.
True, but that might just be down to basic genetics, rather than any kind of failing on Rooney's part. Not really his fault if he is naturally pre-disposed to being (ahem) well built.
Looks ok in a good team.
How anyone can call that header a tap-in, I don't know.
He made a fantastic leap to contact it at crossbar height. How many players could head that downwards from there?
He's missed one that he should have scored - hit it too close to the keeper.
For a striker to assist from the wing in one game, and score in another, in a poor team that never had control of midfield, is a decent return.
How many other countries would slaughter their striker in that situation?
As I said before, the gallows were already built for him.
If Rooney is held as the reason for England's dismal failure, expect England to get worse rather than better.
How anyone can call that header a tap-in, I don't know.
He made a fantastic leap to contact it at crossbar height. How many players could head that downwards from there?
He's missed one that he should have scored - hit it too close to the keeper.
For a striker to assist from the wing in one game, and score in another, in a poor team that never had control of midfield, is a decent return.
How many other countries would slaughter their striker in that situation?
As I said before, the gallows were already built for him.
If Rooney is held as the reason for England's dismal failure, expect England to get worse rather than better.
England never gonna get anywhere while people even suggesting this "increase teams level" stuff. Does even Ronaldo do it at WC? Last WC Portugal only scored against North Korea
Where was Ronaldo? Lets see how it is this year, although he clearly looks injured. Look at WC top performers last time and this time around. For example, Muller. What is he doing? Does he win games on his own, does he look head and shoulders above the rest? Does he increase team's level? Blah--blah-blah.
No, he just plays good. And that is what everybody else in Germany team is doing. And that's why the guy scores buckets. Look at last WC Holland was in the final yet RVP hardly scored for them.
You can look at it as manifestation of a "Liebig's barrel" law in a way. The one about the limiting factor being more important than the average of resources available. If every person in your team is at least good. Then your star player can have just a good enough game and you still will win it.
Where was Ronaldo? Lets see how it is this year, although he clearly looks injured. Look at WC top performers last time and this time around. For example, Muller. What is he doing? Does he win games on his own, does he look head and shoulders above the rest? Does he increase team's level? Blah--blah-blah.No, he just plays good. And that is what everybody else in Germany team is doing. And that's why the guy scores buckets. Look at last WC Holland was in the final yet RVP hardly scored for them.
You can look at it as manifestation of a "Liebig's barrel" law in a way. The one about the limiting factor being more important than the average of resources available. If every person in your team is at least good. Then your star player can have just a good enough game and you still will win it.
He is better than the bold in my opinion.
Leaving aside the likes of Ibra, Bale and Toure, you're really saying that you think Wayne Rooney is currently a better player than Luis Suarez? I would genuinely love to know what you're basing that on.
England never gonna get anywhere while people even suggesting this "increase teams level" stuff. Does even Ronaldo do it at WC? Last WC Portugal only scored against North Korea
No, he just plays good. And that is what everybody else in Germany team is doing. And that's why the guy scores buckets. Look at last WC Holland was in the final yet RVP hardly scored for them.
You can look at it as manifestation of a "Liebig's barrel" law in a way. The one about the limiting factor being more important than the average of resources available. If every person in your team is at least good. Then your star player can have just a good enough game and you still will win it.
Messi was very subdued at the last world cup compared to his club form. Even the very best players need help. Its a team game after all.
How will LVG fit Rooney, Mata and RVP in? I honestly can't see how all three will fit.
He could play them in a 3-4-1-2 similar to how Holland play but Rooney really will have to justify his worth for the manager to think about those formations especially when we are shallow in defensive options. If his pace is not upto the task and he's not aggressive enough, Van Gaal will cannot carry both him and Mata in the line up and Mata easily trumps Rooney in terms of touch, vision, quality on the ball and any technical attributes.
If Rooney couldn't replace Sturridge as England's center forward, he cannot expect to get top billing over van Persie.
Rooney wasn't great. It was a good performance. He was the only one who looked motivated and that's what I've always rated above anything else. I think Rooney will surprise a few people on here with his performances next season. It'll be interesting to see how we utilise Rooney and Van Persie.
I agree. It'll be interesting to see how it all works out.
Mate if you've played the game you would know closing your eyes as Rooney did ain't heading it's just getting struck on the head. He was less than a yard out and over the ball if he had his eyes open it was a nod in, he needed to be braver.
The strike on goal was shocking in slow mo you can see he didn't get his foot round the ball despite having time. He "pushed" rather than driving the ball which means it just goes straight, really poor technique. It would have ended up in the corner to the goalies left if he'd got it right as he should.
The reason England fail is because we're technically crap en masse it's just Rooney is the totem - he gains from it he loses from it - just the way it is.
That's just a ridiculous comment.
There are many ways to do it. One of which is a formation Holland using currently. Then how did Uruguay fit Cavani and Suarez together up front? They also had Lodeiro a bit deeper. How did France managed to fit in Benzema and Giroud together? And Valbuena is quite similar to Mata as well.
That's arguably going to be LvG's biggest challenge, I hope he goes with RvP or Rooney up top rather than trying to play both.
If you'd actually played a game you would know that there is little you can do to control a header like that when you are fighting for it and heading with much interference. It's different when you are allowed a free header with acres of space.
But after "strike on goal was shocking in slow mo" you can't really complain about a his header interpretation. The next thing you say is that his cross to Sturridge for Italy game was a crap one, cause great players would cross it straight to the feet, but Sturridge did extremely well to adjust and pit home an extremely uncomfortable cross.
Standard Rooney tournament really, some good moments, but generally marooned in a sh!t team. Hopefully he can forget another average summer with Van Gaal getting the best out of him next summer.
What level do I need to have played at to have a differing opinion to you? Wpuld Mourinho's opinion not count?
The ball is moving away from him. Very hard to judge.
Reckon you'd have scored this? Are you Andy Carroll?
This is why I can't understand the fuss about Suarez. He missed two decent chances, and for me that cancels out the two goals he got. No real positive impact on the match.
Nobody really heads the ball with eyes open you know. Unless you've got a brain that isn't functioning
Sorry mate is your device playing up that made no sense at all. The bit about fighting for the header come over but you couldn't be more wrong he was behind the fella in pole position!If you'd actually played a game you would know that there is little you can do to control a header like that when you are fighting for it and heading with much interference. It's different when you are allowed a free header with acres of space.
But after "strike on goal was shocking in slow mo" you can't really complain about a his header interpretation. The next thing you say is that his cross to Sturridge for Italy game was a crap one, cause great players would cross it straight to the feet, but Sturridge did extremely well to adjust and pit home an extremely uncomfortable cross.
You deny your own claims just look at that photo it's harder to miss than score.What level do I need to have played at to have a differing opinion to you? Wpuld Mourinho's opinion not count?
The ball is moving away from him. Very hard to judge.
Reckon you'd have scored this? Are you Andy Carroll?
You've never played have you?
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