It had to be Gerrard that had undone his hard work to get that goal. Sadly the media will spin it so Rooney still gets the blame.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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The likes of RvP and Suarez would've grabbed a few more goals if they'd been playing for England today.
That said, he did well tonight considering how poor ye were generally. Doesn't deserve the criticism he'll likely get.
That said, he did well tonight considering how poor ye were generally. Doesn't deserve the criticism he'll likely get.
Far, far greater threat when deployed centrally than on the wing, even if he struggled to link the midfield and attack. Arevalo did a good job on him in the first half, but he was very good second half, not only in his goal threat, but his overall play.
No they wouldn't have. Except few flashes, England team was very disjointed. I seriously don't understand what is England team's problem. Even supposedly mediocre teams are better organized and do basics right.
a great performance from wayne, unlucky with that header as well.
and surely it has to be gerrard assisting suarez,
and surely it has to be gerrard assisting suarez,
May be. May be not. Formations do not really matter. Roles and tactics matter much more. Take Real Madrid, they play Ronaldo on the left. But does he go deep to cover for LB? No, he can't. Rather that is not effective use of his skills. So what does Anci do? He does not want Ronaldo in the middle, cause you need a player that is better playing with his back to the goal, to hold up ball, fight for it in the air, be a focal point of attack, hold up ball, etc. That's Benzema. So Anci puts Di Maria closer to the left as a AM and he covers more of a left side, there is also Alonso who positioned a bit closer to the LB to cover and keep this area solid defensively. Then on the other side he's got Bale, who used to be a defender, not anymore, but he can cover the whole side. He can track back, deep, so there is no need to some extra cover on that side.
Formation-wise it is more of 4-2-3-1, but when you look at Real's formation when other team attack and their RB overlaps you can probably see something more of a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo and Benzema as forwards, Di Maia covering the side as a LM and then all others players.
And that's one example, there could be many others. Classic 4-3-3 is an option as well.
Him, Mata and Januzaj/some winger(bought) behind RvP and it can click nicely under LvG.
In no way is a forward unlucky if they miss an open net from 2 yards.a great performance from wayne, unlucky with that header as well.
and surely it has to be gerrard assisting suarez,
Head & shoulders ^^ above any other England player on the pitch & both the free kick & header were close - a total mistake to start him on the wing first game
Ya, right. An open net when the ball was rising at crossbar level. At that stage it is all about inch perfect contact. It is far difficult than just "missing open net from 2 yards."
People again thinking that stats are all, just because he scored doesn't mean he wasn't the reason we lost.
Game one, we had a great start with the Liverpool core 4 players all linking well. After 25 minutes of solid play Rooney got grumpy that he wasn't involved even though the TEAM was doing well and was thus moved around. This broke the fluidity of the attack and left us just as exposed on the wings, all that was achieved with with swap was him pushing Sterling out wide and Sturridge was less involved as Rooney couldn't find him and then pushed on to be a striker.
Game two, Sterling started out wide as Rooney is "undroppable" and had to be played so he was selected as a #10 as he didn't perform on the wing. As a #10 he failed to link the attack and literally sat in the middle of the pitch leaving the back 2 of Gerrard and Henderson struggling to find an outfield ball, he never really "floated" like the best #10's do and as a result the only time they found Rooney he lost it as he was swamped due being heavily marked due to lack of movement. Sure he scored the tap in, but was that worth ruining the entire teams flow for the whole game?
Sure, I can't place all the blame on him, Hodgson was beyond stupid to have Barkley on the right, and Two #10's on the pitch with 4 Strikers (wayne, danny,danny,ricky). Hodgson just bashes any player on the pitch in any position and hopes it works.
I Wonder when England will realise that the system is equally as important as the players in it. I mean Millner should have played in this world cup, to be constantly played in the Oil Club shows you must be doing something right.
Game one, we had a great start with the Liverpool core 4 players all linking well. After 25 minutes of solid play Rooney got grumpy that he wasn't involved even though the TEAM was doing well and was thus moved around. This broke the fluidity of the attack and left us just as exposed on the wings, all that was achieved with with swap was him pushing Sterling out wide and Sturridge was less involved as Rooney couldn't find him and then pushed on to be a striker.
Game two, Sterling started out wide as Rooney is "undroppable" and had to be played so he was selected as a #10 as he didn't perform on the wing. As a #10 he failed to link the attack and literally sat in the middle of the pitch leaving the back 2 of Gerrard and Henderson struggling to find an outfield ball, he never really "floated" like the best #10's do and as a result the only time they found Rooney he lost it as he was swamped due being heavily marked due to lack of movement. Sure he scored the tap in, but was that worth ruining the entire teams flow for the whole game?
Sure, I can't place all the blame on him, Hodgson was beyond stupid to have Barkley on the right, and Two #10's on the pitch with 4 Strikers (wayne, danny,danny,ricky). Hodgson just bashes any player on the pitch in any position and hopes it works.
I Wonder when England will realise that the system is equally as important as the players in it. I mean Millner should have played in this world cup, to be constantly played in the Oil Club shows you must be doing something right.
He didn't even head the ball straight. It had neither the height or direction required to go in. Poor miss.
I think they might have. Even a half fit Suarez buried his chances when they came. Rooney isn't on his or RvP's level as an out and out striker. The header he missed and the chance the keeper saved were tough chance but the very best put them away. Bit harsh judging Rooney on that high a standard but that's the level he's striving for. That said, he was still one of their better players today.
Agree with the rest of your post though. I used to think expectations in England were unrealistically high but the truth is they should be better than this. Easy to blame the manager but it goes beyond that I think.
Poor WUM attempt. Try harder next time.
Missed a sitter. Can't get away from that. Fair play though for breaking his World Cup finals hoodoo.
Delighted for him that he got the goal. He played ok too
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Spot on.
Fair play he was definitely one of England's best players but at the end of the day what we witnessed today was a world class striker vs a very good one. Scored one but had 2 absolutely must score chances.
There's a lot of truth in this and it affects United as well. Rooney is demanding (and getting) a status his performances don't deserve. He scores and everyone says 'but look at the stats'. In response I simply ask did United improve without Ruud? His stats were stellar but his presence prevented Ronaldo from blossoming. Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story...
Best player on the pitch today for England. Great in the second half with his all-around play. Happy for him that he got his goal.
it is just me or does someone noticed that he looks a bit quicker than usual today?
No-one was more critical than me of him in the last game.
Well done to him today. Remarkable heart and effort. Good man.
Well done to him today. Remarkable heart and effort. Good man.
I have to disagree, players are given jobs. Henderson did his job so well, he kept the ball and looked for an outfield pass often. It's not his fault that Rooney failed to move and thus was marked, making Henderson have the choice "Pass to a marked man, or keep the ball and play it sideways". People think he is "steady" when actually he was very disciplined. Rooney however wasn't and it effected the whole team. It's like Spain said something along the lines of "People in England think running around and looking busy makes you great when really they are taking over other peoples roles, what makes you great is when you stick to your role and do it well, when 11 people do that you are unstoppable".
Read my above post on why I think Rooney didn't play well.
This isn't a Cavani thread
Rooney's ability and brain are still top notch. His touches when he pokes balls through players legs or receives the ball and touches it past players is still fantastic, but I honestly think his body is letting him down. He can't ghost past players because I don't think he's got his old pace and it makes him that much less efficient when playing in the 10 role.
If LVG can whip him into proper shape, he'll become world class again.
If LVG can whip him into proper shape, he'll become world class again.
His fans are happy he broke his WC jinx. I get that and good for him. Now comes the hyperbole "best English player on the pitch". "Great performance". Someone even said he was " the best player on the pitch". A commentator on ESPN, when Rooney did not score the cut back from Baines, said "19 out of 20 times he would have scored that for UTD".
Do you not see how these statements make non-Rooney big-time fans feeling like rolling their eyes?
Rooney made a good through pass for sturridge in the 1st half. A very good free kick attempt and scored a tap in.
He mis-controlled a couple balls, got a couple of balls taken away from him, messed up a glorious opportunity and missed a difficult but scoreable header.
He was out of the game for most of the 1st half.
Suarez was constantly involved. As much as I dislike him he created a few opportunities for himself and proved himself to be a world class finisher.
When his country needed him, he showed up and won them the game. Despite not being "match fit" or a "100%".
That is the mark of a World Class player. A great player.
If Rooney despite not playing great had scored that cutback and the header along with his tap-in, I would have stood up and applauded.
I would then be on this forum admitting his greatness.
Instead I am going to have to read all of this deluded praise for what was just a reasonable performance capped off by a tap in goal.
Of course the said commentator referred to Rooney's excellent awareness and positioning.
Do you not see how these statements make non-Rooney big-time fans feeling like rolling their eyes?
Rooney made a good through pass for sturridge in the 1st half. A very good free kick attempt and scored a tap in.
He mis-controlled a couple balls, got a couple of balls taken away from him, messed up a glorious opportunity and missed a difficult but scoreable header.
He was out of the game for most of the 1st half.
Suarez was constantly involved. As much as I dislike him he created a few opportunities for himself and proved himself to be a world class finisher.
When his country needed him, he showed up and won them the game. Despite not being "match fit" or a "100%".
That is the mark of a World Class player. A great player.
If Rooney despite not playing great had scored that cutback and the header along with his tap-in, I would have stood up and applauded.
I would then be on this forum admitting his greatness.
Instead I am going to have to read all of this deluded praise for what was just a reasonable performance capped off by a tap in goal.
Of course the said commentator referred to Rooney's excellent awareness and positioning.
Rooney had a good game. Definitely one of the best players on the pitch. Was man marked throughout, which made life difficult but overcame that eventually. Would have a good case for MOTM if Suarez hadn't got that second goal. The latter deserves credit for taking his goals brilliantly but was nowhere near as involved overall.
Basically, you're talking bollox. A consistent theme in your contributions to this thread.
EDIT: although, to be fair, you're one of many.
Absolutely chuffed to bits for him. Pretty bummed that he'll be heading out due to the absolutely pathetic display from the defence so far. It must be frustrating to be playing with Sturridge and Sterling in the kind of 'free circle to box' role that he played tonight. Never having a clue when you're going to get the ball is a strikers worst nightmare.
It's not that much of an outlandish claim to say Rooney was MOTM. It's false, but Suarez's individual brilliance will earn that accolade and rightly so, but aside from him, the best performers were probably Rooney, Cavani and Muslera.
Hmmm. You are basically agreeing that he did not have a great performance and was not the best player on the pitch.
Anyway I have grown accustomed to posters disagreeing me saying I am chatting rubbish. I do not get involved with that aspect of debate.
I think my points were solid but the bigtime Rooney fans will never agree. C'est la vie. There are others who probably share my opinion.
No he isn't, don't be so dense. If you're chatting rubbish then stop chatting rubbish.
Players who score a couple of goals often get MOTM even if their overall performance isn't the best on the pitch. Tonight being a good example.
He was better today. Much more interchangable, showed some decent touches and his willingness to burst into the box whether he was out wide or central was good.
Still not at the level he is capable of mind you but I think its fair to say Hodgson's management has to come into question, whilst his captain was the biggest let down of them all. I haven't had much to say about Gerrard this year, but this is the player I've always seen for England, it's nothing new.
Still not at the level he is capable of mind you but I think its fair to say Hodgson's management has to come into question, whilst his captain was the biggest let down of them all. I haven't had much to say about Gerrard this year, but this is the player I've always seen for England, it's nothing new.
He said Rooney had a "good game" and was one of the best players on the pitch. That does not equate with a "great performance".
He said basically when Saurez scored his 2nd goal he became MTOM. Thus, he agrees Rooney was not the best player on the pitch. MTOM goes to the player who is considered to have played the best.
ok you have qualified that point of your argument but no mention of the "good game" Vs great performance.
Now when he's managed to get his WC goal he can move to more important issues, like should he pick Nani for Portugal's next match, will he allow Nani to meet LVG or he'll ask Woodward to sell him before LVG even arrives in Manchester etc.
So many questions yet to little time, hope he sorts it out!
So many questions yet to little time, hope he sorts it out!
He was the best player on the pitch, Suarez may have scored two goals but didnt contribute as much to game play as Rooney did.
There is something to be said for loyalty, no matter how blind.
Hopefully LVG's vision is less clouded.
Its how much I hate Suarez that clouds my vision..
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