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Seriously, the English media are just plain dickheads. Have people actually read Scholesy's blog post? I thought it was pretty even-handed. He did criticize a few things but was very complimentary too. Naturally, this all gets stripped away by the need to create a story. I'm sure that's all Rooney knows about too and that's what he's responded to

Gone missing are quotes like:



This heavily scrutinized quote "Wayne might be a player who’d retire come 31 or 32, given the amount of football he’s played." did not include the rest:

Completley agree, Scholes is not a gobshite, if you read his blogpost it is well structured critic aimed more than anything to spur Rooney on. He says more good things about him than bad ones, the bad ones that he picks out not particulary harsh either. However how much I respect Paul Scholes his opnion, I think he lacks a certain subtelty to be writing these kinds of columns. He did say Rooney was past and he did say he couldn't picture Wayne being a centreforward anymore once he hits 34-35, he did say Rooney had something to proof this worldcup if he truely wants to be remebered as one of the greats, all these things carry a degree of truth in them but all lack subtelty. He is Paul Scholes and what he says carries weight, even more so after he was recently involved in managing the United squad for a short while. To post this kind of criticism about Rooney right before the worldcup, I think is not smart, it is in fact a bit unappropriate and it is certainly ill-timed.

These things are taken way out of proportion by the media (but he should know this) and they can only possibly have an undesirable effect on Rooney, the England team and also on Manchester United. Saying Rooney is past it ,while the club just gave him a 5 year extension and a significant pay raise...makes the management looks like incompetent fools. It makes Rooney look weak right before he should look strong, it is taking his attention off what matters most (the world cup) and as it seems Rooney has taken the critics the wrong way. Probably as you said going on what the media make out of it, rather than reading the post himself, he has never been the smartest in such things and will most likely make him a bit frustrated or angry. No doubt that is not what Paul wanted to achieve, but he has achieved it, it seemed for all his time he was a player for us, he did everything he could to stay clear from such media craziness shit, and now when he is retired and before the worldcup he becomes part of the Paddy Power circus and throws all those principals in the garbage bin and comes writing this kind of stuff. It is very unfortunate and so unnesceray aswell, he has never felt the desire to tell the world what he taught about english football and fellow collegues and teammates and now he suddenly can't shut up about it, ofcourse he is getting paid for it by Paddy Power and they doing this to have controversy, but it is very unfortunate he is involving himself in such things (making Paul Scholes a life like PR stunt, to laugh at Rooney and also laugh at United in certain way).

Similary as what I said about Scholes his criticism not being utterly harsh (but nonethless lacking subtelty and good timing) I also have to say that Rooney his response is getting taken out of proportion. Ofcourse he responds, when the Journos ask him to, ofcourse he won't be happy with it, ofcourse he doesn't agree with them (could you imagine, Rooney agreeging that he is past it...). But for the rest he said nothing wrong, just that he doesn't understand why Scholes is now suddenly saying these things (similary to how I don't get why that silent shy player now suddenly comes out as a wannabe know it all pundit that we all have to listen to). For the rest, he has said he respects paul for the player he is and that he couldn't never say anything wrong about him, just that he doesn't understand the reason why he is criticsing him suddenly and that he doesn't agree with him. Nothing wrong with that sort of response imo.
 
If we play 4-3-3 next season with striker, 2 wingers and 3 man midfield of AM, CM, DM then Rooney would be 2nd, 2nd and 1st in pecking order for 3 different positions.

ST - van Persie - Rooney
AM - Mata - Rooney
CM - Rooney - who cares
DM - Carrick - who cares

No new signings.
 
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Upset?

I agree. He could score 30 goals next year, helping us to a league and cup double, and the satisfaction still wouldn't match the satisfaction some would have at seeing Rooney 'thrown out'.
 
If we play 4-3-3 next season with striker, 2 wingers and 3 man midfield of AM, CM, DM then Rooney would be 2nd, 2nd and 1st in pecking order for 3 different positions.

ST - van Persie - Rooney
AM - Mata - Rooney
CM - Rooney - who cares
DM - Carrick - who cares

No new signings.

If we seriously didn't buy a midfielder and played Rooney there instead I think I'd kill Woodward.
 
I see that we're just going to ignore what he did in 2010? And last season? There is a reason Fergie wanted him out of the club. As for 'working his balls off', what you mean is 'working his balls of when it suits him' right?

Sadly, most people were right back in 2010, a few goals and the majority of fans will forget all about his antics. Respect indeed.

I don't give a feck about his antics, he plays his cards to get the contract he wants, every player does that, Messi has held Barcelona to ransom more than once to get a pay raise, it is how this business works. If you are not important enough as a player you can't win those kind of games, but Rooney was, and fair play to him, Fergie had to give him what he wanted because he needed him. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Atleast Rooney stayed and actually always did his duty as a player (so no not only when it suited him, he is still one of the hardest workers on the pitch and he'll always will be), I've seen several of them being utter dicks and not even giving a toss when they are on the field, Rooney never did that, he also never left us or pressed for a move, he was happy staying at United (be it under his conditions but that is how star players work). Ronaldo was more than happy to feck off to Madrid and couldn't stand being here for the rest of his career, he dreamt more about the white shirt of Madrid than that he gave a toss about the red from United, yet we still all love the guy to bits, but Rooney who actually stayed all these years, and is likely to end his career here, no that is the guy that is an absolute wanker...HAVE SOME FECKING PERSPECTIVE !

And again, you don't need to love the guy, I can understand why you wouldn't like him anymore the way that some people did in 2010 but such blind hatred is completley out of proportion. He is fecking money hungry and he didn't turn out to be as good as he could have been, but he is still a fecking United player, working hard, running after every ball, scoring important goals, denying him that is just a fecking disgrace. Also Ferguson didn't want him out of the club, he just said that Rooney wanted to leave, because of what Fergie did to him, demote him to a midfielder because he saw more in RVP as a striker and Kagawa as a 10 and wanting Rooney to cut down on his salary by his next contract. You may think that all made perfect sense, but it is easy to understand Wayne didn't like that one bit, if he feels he isn't important enough anymore and he isn't getting the support he wants, he has every right to want to leave. Fortunatley for him, Moyes taught differently about this, and the management taught him important enough to remain at the club and give him a new 5 year deal and improve his wages. You may not agree with them, but that doesn't matter, he is here now, he is a United player and he has tied himself down to the club for the rest of his career, wanting to push us back to where we belong, working hard for that everyday, so I'd appreciate it if you kept that fat scouse wanker shit for your fecking self !
 
Sorry @Plugsy, this is your post from twitter discussion thread. :confused:


Plugsy said:

It was a league cup match. And if Rooney said sorry it'd be enough to stop this pretence he's been some overpaid leacher and not one of the single biggest factors in our success these last 9 years? The venom which online fans treat him is extraordinary and never, ever seems to be replicated to this degree outside the virtual world, except for people who decide they're "fans" during the World Cup.

Rooney hating is an internet meme.


There's no contradiction. Rooney is a fantastic player but probably a self-important mardy arsehole. It's possible to be both. I don't hate him because of it because I'm not someone who judges footballers by who I'd like to be friends with. This is a problem many fans have in the internet age. So many people see footballers/TV shows/pop stars/actors/ even media outlets as either friends or enemies rather than objectively for how they do their day job.
 
There's no contradiction. Rooney is a fantastic player but probably a self-important mardy arsehole. It's possible to be both. I don't hate him because of it because I'm not someone who judges footballers by who I'd like to be friends with. This is a problem many fans have in the internet age. So many people see footballers/TV shows/pop stars/actors/ even media outlets as either friends or enemies rather than objectively for how they do their day job.

There isn't a single one out there that isn't. Some more than others I agree, but they are all in it for more than the glory, the times professional players would put their heads in front of the ball and die for the badge for a bag of peanuts, a smoke and a pat on the shoulder are long gone.

Players want to win silverware, feel respected by their fans and teammates, play in the position that suits them and get paid as much as they can get. Now if you are lucky you get a player that is happy staying at your club for the rest of his career, if you are unlucky than you have one that will screw you over to get a dream move he wants (most likely to Madrid). if you are lucky you'll have players who do their duties as a player, work hard, train hard, perfrom on the pitch, if you are unlucky you'll have the sulky I won't do a feck if you don't give what I want kind. Rooney is far from the ideal player, but we could have gotten alot worse if you'd ask me.
 
I don't give a feck about his antics, he plays his cards to get the contract he wants, every player does that, Messi has held Barcelona to ransom more than once to get a pay raise, it is how this business works. If you are not important enough as a player you can't win those kind of games, but Rooney was, and fair play to him, Fergie had to give him what he wanted because he needed him. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Atleast Rooney stayed and actually always did his duty as a player (so no not only when it suited him, he is still one of the hardest workers on the pitch and he'll always will be), I've seen several of them being utter dicks and not even giving a toss when they are on the field, Rooney never did that, he also never left us or pressed for a move, he was happy staying at United (be it under his conditions but that is how star players work). Ronaldo was more than happy to feck off to Madrid and couldn't stand being here for the rest of his career, he dreamt more about the white shirt of Madrid than that he gave a toss about the red from United, yet we still all love the guy to bits, but Rooney who actually stayed all these years, and is likely to end his career here, no that is the guy that is an absolute wanker...HAVE SOME FECKING PERSPECTIVE !

And again, you don't need to love the guy, I can understand why you wouldn't like him anymore the way that some people did in 2010 but such blind hatred is completley out of proportion. He is fecking money hungry and he didn't turn out to be as good as he could have been, but he is still a fecking United player, working hard, running after every ball, scoring important goals, denying him that is just a fecking disgrace. Also Ferguson didn't want him out of the club, he just said that Rooney wanted to leave, because of what Fergie did to him, demote him to a midfielder because he saw more in RVP as a striker and Kagawa as a 10 and wanting Rooney to cut down on his salary by his next contract. You may think that all made perfect sense, but it is easy to understand Wayne didn't like that one bit, if he feels he isn't important enough anymore and he isn't getting the support he wants, he has every right to want to leave. Fortunatley for him, Moyes taught differently about this, and the management taught him important enough to remain at the club and give him a new 5 year deal and improve his wages. You may not agree with them, but that doesn't matter, he is here now, he is a United player and he has tied himself down to the club for the rest of his career, wanting to push us back to where we belong, working hard for that everyday, so I'd appreciate it if you kept that fat scouse wanker shit for your fecking self !

Great post.
 
I don't give a feck about his antics, he plays his cards to get the contract he wants, every player does that, Messi has held Barcelona to ransom more than once to get a pay raise, it is how this business works. If you are not important enough as a player you can't win those kind of games, but Rooney was, and fair play to him, Fergie had to give him what he wanted because he needed him. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Atleast Rooney stayed and actually always did his duty as a player (so no not only when it suited him, he is still one of the hardest workers on the pitch and he'll always will be), I've seen several of them being utter dicks and not even giving a toss when they are on the field, Rooney never did that, he also never left us or pressed for a move, he was happy staying at United (be it under his conditions but that is how star players work). Ronaldo was more than happy to feck off to Madrid and couldn't stand being here for the rest of his career, he dreamt more about the white shirt of Madrid than that he gave a toss about the red from United, yet we still all love the guy to bits, but Rooney who actually stayed all these years, and is likely to end his career here, no that is the guy that is an absolute wanker...HAVE SOME FECKING PERSPECTIVE !

And again, you don't need to love the guy, I can understand why you wouldn't like him anymore the way that some people did in 2010 but such blind hatred is completley out of proportion. He is fecking money hungry and he didn't turn out to be as good as he could have been, but he is still a fecking United player, working hard, running after every ball, scoring important goals, denying him that is just a fecking disgrace. Also Ferguson didn't want him out of the club, he just said that Rooney wanted to leave, because of what Fergie did to him, demote him to a midfielder because he saw more in RVP as a striker and Kagawa as a 10 and wanting Rooney to cut down on his salary by his next contract. You may think that all made perfect sense, but it is easy to understand Wayne didn't like that one bit, if he feels he isn't important enough anymore and he isn't getting the support he wants, he has every right to want to leave. Fortunatley for him, Moyes taught differently about this, and the management taught him important enough to remain at the club and give him a new 5 year deal and improve his wages. You may not agree with them, but that doesn't matter, he is here now, he is a United player and he has tied himself down to the club for the rest of his career, wanting to push us back to where we belong, working hard for that everyday, so I'd appreciate it if you kept that fat scouse wanker shit for your fecking self !
Amazing post.
 
Wayne Rooney says Paul Scholes upset a lot of people at Manchester United when he suggested the England striker was past his best.

Scholes played alongside Rooney for nine years at Old Trafford but recently claimed the 28-year-old's powers may be on the wane.

Rooney says he found Scholes' comments "strange", especially when the former midfielder was part of the United coaching staff towards the end of last year.

But the England forward is happy that United's hierarchy, who handed him a new deal last season, do not share Scholes' opinion.

"I'm sure he's upset a lot of people at Man United because they see me as worthy of signing a new deal at the club, so they obviously have got a different opinion to what Paul has," Rooney said.

England captain Steven Gerrard hit out at Scholes for his comments, which came out the week Roy Hodgson's men began their World Cup preparations, but Rooney has refused to publicly criticise Scholes.

"It was a big strange, I'll be honest, but he has his opinions and he's entitled to them," Rooney added.

"I don't agree with it, but he's probably the best player I've ever played with, so I'm not going to knock him as a player, but I don't agree with his point.

"I'm sure he has his reasons for it."

When asked if Scholes had been in touch with him to explain his comments, Rooney said: "No. He's been a great player at Man United, but I've never had his phone number and he's never had mine."



http://www1.skysports.com/football/...as-upset-a-lot-of-people-at-manchester-united
 
I have no idea why those at the club will be "upset" due to what Scholes said.
 
Hmmm. Tough one. Scholes or Rooney? No celebrity bullshit former Salford born United youth player and playing legend or granny shagging tabloid hogging overhyped Ingerland-er contract angling scouse?
 
Such a strange situation with Rooney at the moment. Let's just hope the dust settles a little and he plays his part next season.

This time last year we were all scared shitless of losing him.
 
Hmmm. Tough one. Scholes or Rooney? No celebrity bullshit former Salford born United youth player and playing legend or granny shagging tabloid hogging overhyped Ingerland-er contract angling scouse?
I choose something different. I choose the impossible. I choose... Rapture.
 
Such a strange situation with Rooney at the moment. Let's just hope the dust settles a little and he plays his part next season.

This time last year we were all scared shitless of losing him.

I wasn't. Well, not before Ferguson retired anyway. :(

I choose something different. I choose the impossible. I choose... Rapture.

:lol: Never played that game.
 
His comments on Ronaldo are hilarious. What was he asked that made him say that? Months after those comments about needing to play upfront as he's come to a point in his career where he has to look at personal goals etc.

Dont see much wrong with his response towards Scholes even though he's obviously very defensive. The I dont have his cell number, he doesnt have mine bit is funny too. Doubt too many have Scholesy's :devil:
 
I don't give a feck about his antics, he plays his cards to get the contract he wants, every player does that, Messi has held Barcelona to ransom more than once to get a pay raise, it is how this business works. If you are not important enough as a player you can't win those kind of games, but Rooney was, and fair play to him, Fergie had to give him what he wanted because he needed him. Don't hate the players, hate the game. Atleast Rooney stayed and actually always did his duty as a player (so no not only when it suited him, he is still one of the hardest workers on the pitch and he'll always will be), I've seen several of them being utter dicks and not even giving a toss when they are on the field, Rooney never did that, he also never left us or pressed for a move, he was happy staying at United (be it under his conditions but that is how star players work). Ronaldo was more than happy to feck off to Madrid and couldn't stand being here for the rest of his career, he dreamt more about the white shirt of Madrid than that he gave a toss about the red from United, yet we still all love the guy to bits, but Rooney who actually stayed all these years, and is likely to end his career here, no that is the guy that is an absolute wanker...HAVE SOME FECKING PERSPECTIVE !

And again, you don't need to love the guy, I can understand why you wouldn't like him anymore the way that some people did in 2010 but such blind hatred is completley out of proportion. He is fecking money hungry and he didn't turn out to be as good as he could have been, but he is still a fecking United player, working hard, running after every ball, scoring important goals, denying him that is just a fecking disgrace. Also Ferguson didn't want him out of the club, he just said that Rooney wanted to leave, because of what Fergie did to him, demote him to a midfielder because he saw more in RVP as a striker and Kagawa as a 10 and wanting Rooney to cut down on his salary by his next contract. You may think that all made perfect sense, but it is easy to understand Wayne didn't like that one bit, if he feels he isn't important enough anymore and he isn't getting the support he wants, he has every right to want to leave. Fortunatley for him, Moyes taught differently about this, and the management taught him important enough to remain at the club and give him a new 5 year deal and improve his wages. You may not agree with them, but that doesn't matter, he is here now, he is a United player and he has tied himself down to the club for the rest of his career, wanting to push us back to where we belong, working hard for that everyday, so I'd appreciate it if you kept that fat scouse wanker shit for your fecking self !
From a supporter of Rooney perspective your posts may seem logical and, although not succinct, you explain his behavior in a way they find acceptable.
I, however, find your statements contradictory. You state that his holding the club to ransom is the way of current footballers and that his staying separates him from the other greedy players. Well he only stayed because he got what he wanted. A big contract with incentives and the promise, under Moyes, of a leadership position. If he did not get what he wanted I do not think he would still be here " wanting to push us back to where we belong".
I do agree that today's footballers are inherently selfish but to say Rooney has some noble character that others do not have is self-deluding.
My problem with Rooney has never been that he continues to play for us. My problem is that he plays a role that is detrimental to the team.
No-one talks about his great skill, rather its all about his work-rate and his passion.
I want the main man in my team to be a player of immense skill and to possess the ability to turn things around almost single-handedly. That is why Ronaldo is still held in high regard.
My problem with rooney is that he is over-rated and not good enough to be the focus of our play.
Much of the leeway he got from Fergie I think is due to his marketability in England and not his immense skill.
 
Did Rooney have a productive season, though?

Rooney - 19 goals 15 assists.

Ozil - 6 goals 11 assists

Silva - 8 goals 10 assists

Oscar - 9 goals 8 assists

This proves my point rather well. To use stats, you have to pre-suppose a question; in this case, you've pre-supposed that the measure of a good no.10 is getting a lot of goal and assists. Your stats show me that Rooney get's involved a lot in goalmouth action, not that he's a good no.10.

Rooney is obviously not as good at no.10 as those three players.
 
To me, Rooney has said too many wrong things in one interview.

Ronaldo is "motivated by personal glories" (he says it like its a bad thing) yet Rooney himself mentioned wanting to break Charlton's England scoring records. Nothing wrong with that I say, just that he contradicted himself in one interview.

Better to be motivated by personal achievements I say, than money.
 
This proves my point rather well. To use stats, you have to pre-suppose a question; in this case, you've pre-supposed that the measure of a good no.10 is getting a lot of goal and assists. Your stats show me that Rooney get's involved a lot in goalmouth action, not that he's a good no.10.

Rooney is obviously not as good at no.10 as those three players.
Rooney is better than Oscar, and the lethargic choke that is Ozil.
 
This proves my point rather well. To use stats, you have to pre-suppose a question; in this case, you've pre-supposed that the measure of a good no.10 is getting a lot of goal and assists. Your stats show me that Rooney get's involved a lot in goalmouth action, not that he's a good no.10.

Rooney is obviously not as good at no.10 as those three players.
What!? He may not be as elegant on the ball but that's about it. I think far too many people get caught up with admiring players who move like ballerinas. It might look nice, but let's not get caught thinking the grass is greener...

It why I think the Kagawa thread is so full of delusional loons.
 
This proves my point rather well. To use stats, you have to pre-suppose a question; in this case, you've pre-supposed that the measure of a good no.10 is getting a lot of goal and assists. Your stats show me that Rooney get's involved a lot in goalmouth action, not that he's a good no.10.

Rooney is obviously not as good at no.10 as those three players.

I dont care about stats myself but I'd rather have Rooney playing there than Oscar or even Ozil. Thankfully, we have Mata who's a better No 10 than him, I hope Van Gaal plays him there.
 
Rooney just loves a battle he can't win. Upset with Scholes? Indeed, Wayne, any self-respecting supporter of this club would kick your fat arse into space before being upset with Scholes.

Unsurprisingly, he has yet again shown his incredible gift for being monumentally stupid, only seeing and highlighting the perceived negatives and injustices he believes have went against him. Even now, in all of this mess we find ourselves, he irritates me so much that I'd love to see him pumped out the back door.
 
Rooney just loves a battle he can't win. Upset with Scholes? Indeed, Wayne, any self-respecting supporter of this club would kick your fat arse into space before being upset with Scholes.

Unsurprisingly, he has yet again shown his incredible gift for being monumentally stupid, only seeing and highlighting the perceived negatives and injustices he believes have went against him. Even now, in all of this mess we find ourselves, he irritates me so much that I'd love to see him pumped out the back door.

Fans? He's talking about officials at the club.

I dont understand why he thinks they'd be upset at Scholesy for what he said but anyways, he's talking about them, not the fans.
 
Rooney is better than Oscar, and the lethargic choke that is Ozil.

That isn't the point he made.

What!? He may not be as elegant on the ball but that's about it. I think far too many people get caught up with admiring players who move like ballerinas. It might look nice, but let's not get caught thinking the grass is greener...

It why I think the Kagawa thread is so full of delusional loons.

Are we really going to do this? Silva is patently superior to Rooney as a #10. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
This proves my point rather well. To use stats, you have to pre-suppose a question; in this case, you've pre-supposed that the measure of a good no.10 is getting a lot of goal and assists. Your stats show me that Rooney get's involved a lot in goalmouth action, not that he's a good no.10.

Rooney is obviously not as good at no.10 as those three players.
These stats measure all the positive and negative contribution a player makes throughout the season. Includes a lot more than just goals and assists.
7.74 Rooney 25xAMC
7.32 Silva 12xAMC
7.14 Ozil 31xAMC
7.12 Oscar 30xAMC
Who is the most creative? Silva and Ozil
Who is the best defensively? Oscar
Who is the all rounder and most consistent? Rooney
 
Fans? He's talking about officials at the club.

I dont understand why he thinks they'd be upset at Scholesy for what he said but anyways, he's talking about them, not the fans.

Yeah. I suppose it could be said that the commercial people would be worried by the fact that a player like Scholes is saying their most marketeable player and number 10 is "past it." They don't have to worry much though, judging by the Caf, Rooney can do no wrong in most fans' eyes. He'll still have his fans, even though both Alex Ferguson and now Scholes, proper footballing United men have cast doubts on his abilities and application.
 
Apart from the discussion if Rooney/Scholes are right, there is going to be only one loser here. England have a tough enough group. Rooney hasn't performed for ages in a tournament. Plus it is not only Scholes who argued about Rooney's position, there have also been other voices questioning his starting position for England or asking to play him out of position. Also let's not forget when Capello said Rooney only understands Scottish as he only plays well for United. All the pressure is on Rooney to perform in the WC and if most ppl had to put their house on him performing or not performing, they would take the latter. Rooney for his own sake should therefore also be less defensive and instead give his answers on the pitch, which is what counts in the end. The pressure is on him. Scholes won't care and has nothing to lose. He hardly even said anything controversial and still Rooney managed to make a meal out of it.
 
These stats measure all the positive and negative contribution a player makes throughout the season. Includes a lot more than just goals and assists.
7.74 Rooney 25xAMC
7.32 Silva 12xAMC
7.14 Ozil 31xAMC
7.12 Oscar 30xAMC
Who is the most creative? Silva and Ozil
Who is the best defensively? Oscar
Who is the all rounder and most consistent? Rooney

Can you post Mata's stats mate ? :)
 
For what it's worth. I agree with Scholes and have been saying for a while now that Rooney has peaked as a player. That's not an overly bad thing, I think it's very rare for a player that burst onto the scene early in their career to reach his late 20's and not have already peaked. But his performances have dipped in the last few seasons, it's to his credit that he still bangs in the goals and gets the assists. I still think Rooney probably needs to leave the club to develop himself as a player, he needs remotivating with a fresh new challenge.

I'm so looking forward to this coming Season. Everyone is going to get a much needed smack up the arse. It'll be interesting to see how Van Gaal handles Rooney.
 
Does anybody really think Rooney has shown the form he showed 4 seasons ago?

The truth about Rooney is that he stopped progressing as a player at a time when most players are peaking. He hasn't improved in the years most players improve..

That's why scholes is suggesting he may already be like a 30 year old who has peaked... Because there is nothing to suggest in the last few seasons that he has improved as a footballer...

Suarez didn't let his relationship with Liverpool at the start of last season (when he aggressively pushed for a move) stop his progression..

Rooney has allowed his personal goals interfere with his professional progression. If he focused purely on football the last 4 seasons he wouldn't of called out with SAF. It was his own fault..

Also can people really say that as uniteds highest earner for sometime that he has delivered to that level? It's been a long time since he won player of the season for the club , that says it all... If he was undroppable, he would never of been dropped by SAF...
 
My boss compares Rooney to Owen.

Both came onto the stage very earlier in their careers, playing week in, week out, picking up injuries here and there, and Rooney has now hit a wall, where it could all come down, just like Owen did
 
For what it's worth. I agree with Scholes and have been saying for a while now that Rooney has peaked as a player. That's not an overly bad thing, I think it's very rare for a player that burst onto the scene early in their career to reach his late 20's and not have already peaked. But his performances have dipped in the last few seasons, it's to his credit that he still bangs in the goals and gets the assists. I still think Rooney probably needs to leave the club to develop himself as a player, he needs remotivating with a fresh new challenge.

I'm so looking forward to this coming Season. Everyone is going to get a much needed smack up the arse. It'll be interesting to see how Van Gaal handles Rooney.

In agreement here but it would be fantastic if the arrival of LVG brought about a renaissance in Rooney's form. Next season surely is a fresh, new challenge and if he doesn't rise to it I've no doubt LVG will have no hesitation in moving him on.

I'm expecting trouble between the two though. Rooney does not accept criticism and he'll be getting a barrel load off his new manager if he continues to play with the touch of a cart horse as he has done recently.
 
My boss compares Rooney to Owen.

Both came onto the stage very earlier in their careers, playing week in, week out, picking up injuries here and there, and Rooney has now hit a wall, where it could all come down, just like Owen did

That is quite possible. However, Rooney is not as dependent on his pace as Owen was - Rooney, if motivated, could drop deep and perform a role there.
 
Hopefully he does leave, maybe to a good club that plays good purposeful football and perhaps united fans will finally open their eyes to the footballer he is. I mean, how many players perform as a clubs best outfield player and still gets criticized like he's one of their worst players? Amazing really.
 
People are so easily swayed by the media its ridiculous. Since when has Rooney had a bad season?
 
Hopefully he does leave, maybe to a good club that plays good purposeful football and perhaps united fans will finally open their eyes to the footballer he is. I mean, how many players perform as a clubs best outfield player and still gets criticized like he's one of their worst players? Amazing really.

There are loons in this thread who are probably disappointed when he scores or assists for United.
 
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