people were making the same argument about fabregas. That he started so young, he may not have the will to keep doing it
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people were making the same argument about fabregas. That he started so young, he may not have the will to keep doing it
Thanks, i've seen that, but i don't understand what's wrong with that. Scholes isn't particularly harsh.
its not so much what he says but rather the fact that it is scholes who is saying it. His opinions carry weight
That's what i see, but he is right when he says that maybe Rooney is in decline. A lot of people consider that he has been good this season, but two or three years ago this season would have labeled as average.
Rooney is supposed to be one of the best player in the world but he is not anymore, while being still young.
I don't remember well but Giggs was also in "decline" around 29 ?
Hahaha that might be the best thing to come out of Moyes' mouth in his United career
feck off Rooney, you over paid, overrated, past it, fat, Scouse wanker.
I can't wait for the day he leaves the club. I hope he gets to one goal behind Bobby, then gets sold. Tosser.
I can't wait for the day he leaves the club. I hope he gets to one goal behind Bobby, then gets sold. Tosser.
Blimey. One Direction fans get less defensive if you call Harry Styles hair shit on twitter.
Rooney's not exactly going to be happy with the comments from Scholes, whether some of you think Scholesy is right or not. You have to realise that Rooney has come off the back of a respectable season, bagging 17 goals and 15 assists. He obviously feels he has a lot more to offer, and I tend to agree.
Like Rooney said, though, it's all about opinions. Scholesy - someone who's never shied away from telling you what he thinks (that's what I love about him) - although such a quite man, has his opinions on the matter.
Rooney's job is now to try and use this criticism (although I don't think it was that bad) from Scholes, and many others, as a motivation, and go out and prove to Utd and England that he is still a top player.
Having said all of this, Scholesy's comments were about him thinking it's time Rooney settled into the centre forward role, where not much running back is required, and to be honest, I agree. When he gets played behind the forward, sometimes he does too much. The thing is, with Van Persie here, I can only see Rooney being played in a position other than up top, unfortunately.
Like Rooney said, though, it's all about opinions. Scholesy - someone who's never shied away from telling you what he thinks (that's what I love about him) - although such a quite man, has his opinions on the matter.
Rooney's job is now to try and use this criticism (although I don't think it was that bad) from Scholes, and many others, as a motivation, and go out and prove to Utd and England that he is still a top player.
Having said all of this, Scholesy's comments were about him thinking it's time Rooney settled into the centre forward role, where not much running back is required, and to be honest, I agree. When he gets played behind the forward, sometimes he does too much. The thing is, with Van Persie here, I can only see Rooney being played in a position other than up top, unfortunately.
Only a lunatic would be unhappy with Rooney's comments. You've a current Manchester United player defend himself against criticism from a former Manchester United player.
Scholesy knew the button to press.
I doubt it, I think he was just being honest. Scholes probably does know what buttons to press to get a reaction out of Rooney, but to think thats what he's done here implies a level of media savvy and game playing that just doesn't strike as Scholes.
Scholes was a world class player who represented the club well and was always loyal. It's no surprise that when Rooney has a go at him people will side with Scholes.
Maybe Scholes shouldn't have said that publically but Rooney should have just bit his lip as well. It's a popularity contest that he'll never win.
Maybe Scholes shouldn't have said that publically but Rooney should have just bit his lip as well. It's a popularity contest that he'll never win.
On the contrary, Fergie has always said of Scholes that he doesn't say much but when he does it's on the money and everyone took note. He played with Rooney for 10 years, I'd imagine that he knows full well that a few challenging and doubting words is exactly what Rooney needs to hear in order to get an extra drop of focus out of him.
I don't think that quote means much else other than 'Scholes knew what he was talking about', which he does. Theres a long stretch between that and attributing some psycho-analytical ability to him.
It will be interesting to see, a few years down the road when a number of tell-all books come out, just how those in the know really felt about current situations.
I don't recall us having such controversy before. Not even with Beckham's departure who at that time was a media darling.
By the way I have always had a lot of respect for Beck's. He seems like such a decent human being.
I don't recall us having such controversy before. Not even with Beckham's departure who at that time was a media darling.
By the way I have always had a lot of respect for Beck's. He seems like such a decent human being.
It's hardly a psycho-analytic ability. You know someone respond well to criticism like Rooney does, you question their ability. I'd bet any money its what Ferguson spent the last 10 years doing, it's not hard to believe Scholes did the same.
Wow such level of disrespect and even outright hatred for a player that done so much for this club, you should be ashamed of yourself you utter twat !
This is a mountain out of a molehill.
Rooney doesn't deserve the vitriol displayed in here at times. Scholes is a legend and always will be a footballing God. However, I hope Wayne blasts a hat trick past the Italians on Saturday(however unlikely) and proves Scholesy wrong. And I am not even an Englishman! :-)
Rooney doesn't deserve the vitriol displayed in here at times. Scholes is a legend and always will be a footballing God. However, I hope Wayne blasts a hat trick past the Italians on Saturday(however unlikely) and proves Scholesy wrong. And I am not even an Englishman! :-)
DisrespectOh the irony!
There is nothing ironic about it. You calling Rooney an overrated fat scouse wank than can go feck himself, hoping he won't score anymore goals for us and counting the days until he is gone from the club is as disrespectful it gets. He has been at this club for 10 years, scored 158 goals and has always worked his balls off on the pitch. You don't have to like him, but a minimal level of respect for such a player is the least you can expect from a United fan !
It's becoming like the "here are 1001 tedious reasons nobody gives a feck about, why I'm English but don't support England" things when people try to out-do themselves with the Rooney hate.
I get why he isn't everyone's favourite player but you can express that without looking as if you're desperate to re-write history on his contribution to the club these last few years. Because that just looks dim.
I get why he isn't everyone's favourite player but you can express that without looking as if you're desperate to re-write history on his contribution to the club these last few years. Because that just looks dim.
Seriously, the English media are just plain dickheads. Have people actually read Scholesy's blog post? I thought it was pretty even-handed. He did criticize a few things but was very complimentary too. Naturally, this all gets stripped away by the need to create a story. I'm sure that's all Rooney knows about too and that's what he's responded to
Gone missing are quotes like:
This heavily scrutinized quote "Wayne might be a player who’d retire come 31 or 32, given the amount of football he’s played." did not include the rest:
Gone missing are quotes like:
This heavily scrutinized quote "Wayne might be a player who’d retire come 31 or 32, given the amount of football he’s played." did not include the rest:
The only issue I've got with everyone aiming their hate towards Rooney is this;
If we sell him, who do we replace him with? Lets be reasonable, he's a class act on the pitch when he wants to, and he often do. We wont get another hardworker like him, cuz, we've already lost so many of them to retirement. We wont get the biggest names out there, especially not with our current position, and anyone thinking we will are mad. So we could sell him, sell him bcos he never got along with Scholes outside the pitch, sell him bcos he's too expensive in wages - not acknowledging the money we actually earn on his image rights aswell, sell him because he refuses to play the wing, sell him for whatever reason the random fan on RedCafe feels is just. But where'd we be then, huh? This past season, without Rooney we'd ended below 8th, and anyone thinkin otherwise are fools.
I can understand him defending himself vs Scholes, whose never really produced for England, and shouldnt speak about peak performances, when he himself had a massive peak - between 28-34 - just like Andrea Pirlo is having at the moment. And looking at Ryan, whose played twice as much football (probably) as Wayne, he didnt quit as 31 or 32, no he quit as 40, I think the whole discussion and the opinions are quite daft.
If we sell him, who do we replace him with? Lets be reasonable, he's a class act on the pitch when he wants to, and he often do. We wont get another hardworker like him, cuz, we've already lost so many of them to retirement. We wont get the biggest names out there, especially not with our current position, and anyone thinking we will are mad. So we could sell him, sell him bcos he never got along with Scholes outside the pitch, sell him bcos he's too expensive in wages - not acknowledging the money we actually earn on his image rights aswell, sell him because he refuses to play the wing, sell him for whatever reason the random fan on RedCafe feels is just. But where'd we be then, huh? This past season, without Rooney we'd ended below 8th, and anyone thinkin otherwise are fools.
I can understand him defending himself vs Scholes, whose never really produced for England, and shouldnt speak about peak performances, when he himself had a massive peak - between 28-34 - just like Andrea Pirlo is having at the moment. And looking at Ryan, whose played twice as much football (probably) as Wayne, he didnt quit as 31 or 32, no he quit as 40, I think the whole discussion and the opinions are quite daft.
I see that we're just going to ignore what he did in 2010? And last season? There is a reason Fergie wanted him out of the club. As for 'working his balls off', what you mean is 'working his balls of when it suits him' right?
Sadly, most people were right back in 2010, a few goals and the majority of fans will forget all about his antics. Respect indeed.
Rooney is a mardy prick who probably is in it solely for the money and personal glory.
But fans of nearly every big club on the continent would laugh at us for seeing that as a huge problem in 2014.
But fans of nearly every big club on the continent would laugh at us for seeing that as a huge problem in 2014.
Rooney can play striker, no10 or CM and be very good in all 3 positions. How many other players in the world can play 3 different positions and be strong in each?
Yes, but Ferguson always had a reason, to do the best for Manchester United he could do. I'm sure Scholes wants England to do well, but I very highly doubt the thought process entered his mind 'I better slag Rooney off otherwise he won't score for England'
James Milner is a pretty good example of a jack of all trades as well.
Nah.
Yeah, that's a top class comparison there.
Sorry for interrupting your swig of beer.
But he isn't exceptional in any of those positions. Not anymore anyway.
English press in deliberate omission of quotes to create headlines shocker.
Sorry @Plugsy, this is your post from twitter discussion thread.
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It was a league cup match. And if Rooney said sorry it'd be enough to stop this pretence he's been some overpaid leacher and not one of the single biggest factors in our success these last 9 years? The venom which online fans treat him is extraordinary and never, ever seems to be replicated to this degree outside the virtual world, except for people who decide they're "fans" during the World Cup.
Rooney hating is an internet meme.
It's gotten to the point where if he had a storming season in 14/15 and played the major role is us having a great year, some people genuinely wouldn't know whether to be happy or upset.
He very rarely plays as a centre midfielder or striker, but he's very productive in the no.10 role. Stats don't lie!
He's a class striker. The last time he played up top for the season he scored 27 league goals and 34 in all competitions.
He's as good as Van Persie, for me. A completely different player obviously, but as good.
And despite Van Persie being seen by most as much better in build-up, our best football since the arrivals of Kagawa and Van Persie has been when Kagawa and Rooney have played together without Van Persie.
The fact that he looks rubbish half the time in a typically disjointed and clueless England side doesn't really mean much either.
He needs to buck up his ideas, but he's still got a big role to play here if he wants it. Hopefully Van Gaal shakes him up.
He's as good as Van Persie, for me. A completely different player obviously, but as good.
And despite Van Persie being seen by most as much better in build-up, our best football since the arrivals of Kagawa and Van Persie has been when Kagawa and Rooney have played together without Van Persie.
The fact that he looks rubbish half the time in a typically disjointed and clueless England side doesn't really mean much either.
He needs to buck up his ideas, but he's still got a big role to play here if he wants it. Hopefully Van Gaal shakes him up.
Did Rooney have a productive season, though?
Rooney - 19 goals 15 assists.
Ozil - 6 goals 11 assists
Silva - 8 goals 10 assists
Oscar - 9 goals 8 assists
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