Could do with him being at his best Sunday, we could arguably win or lose depending how he plays.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I don't think he's effective when playing behind Hernandez. Especially in the shit form that Hernandez showed before the goal and the miraculous turnaround. It was as though he went back to that old shite player again. (Chicha)
Needs the solidarity of better than good holding play in front of him and penetration from wide. When having to come deep all the time and turn on theball unless the play is going through him a lot and he can get into a rhythm then he's all over the shop. Dunno if that is good or bad really but it's hard to watch.
Needs the solidarity of better than good holding play in front of him and penetration from wide. When having to come deep all the time and turn on theball unless the play is going through him a lot and he can get into a rhythm then he's all over the shop. Dunno if that is good or bad really but it's hard to watch.
That's true, although Kagawa was a bit hit and miss at times as well.
Nothing came off for him today. Really a big step back from his last outings.
Still doesn't mean it's wise to keep him on if he's playing shit. Some argue that he needs to play 90 minutes in the weekends and then some during midweek, so how come he must be spared for the weekend? Moyes did the right thing - he was rubbish.
It was poor game from him, but as I said, he has had much worse performances where he stayed on the pitch for 90 minutes, so I wouldn't really bet that Moyes subbed him because he thought he was poor.
Okay.
Well, at least he subbed him, and I'm a happier man for it. Kagawa showed that he belongs in that role and I really don't like Rooney, so that's two birds with one stone and all that. As a player, he's obviously very good, but he does impair our play a bit. Sometimes he's too direct and at other times his first touch and short passing are way too poor to justify playing in that position. He's much better as a striker imo.
Play the ball, not the man. /yellow card
No options on the ball, being pressed hard from behind.. two people in offside positions ahead, five of them almost in a line. If he lost the ball there we would have had problems.
I wish he would reconsider his career and play in midfield. It would help us out a lot.
If he was mature he probably would. I think he's probably still got that school-boy mindset of thinking the best players play up front. It's a good job he's been gifted going forward. Had be been a world class keeper he never would have made it on the basis of probably thinking only the fat kids go in goal.
Van Persie is Rooney's problem. At this stage he is a no. 9, he can do a decent job as a no. 10. But it knocks the whole team out of wack. It doesn't help that the midfield and wingers are so inconsistent. He is agood player who is having to be shoehorned into the team in a position that doesn't suit him. Would you rather Rooney on the bench? I wouldn't. We need a more mobile cm to link the midfield and attack. I think that would help Rooney and Carrick.
I don't think RVP is Rooney's problem.. his problem is the midfield not doing their job properly.
Rooney can do a job in midfield but he's never going to play to his potential. Why not bring in a quality midfielder and let one of our only two world class attacking players do what they do best?
Rooney can do a job in midfield but he's never going to play to his potential. Why not bring in a quality midfielder and let one of our only two world class attacking players do what they do best?
I don't think he is at his very best in the no.10, in an elite team he would be a very frustrating player as he looses the ball so much. I really think he is best as a no.9. It suits him to a tee imo. But I do agree an improved midfield would make things easier for him. He is too much of a goal threat to play midfield and his passing isn't as polished even though he pulls of amazing passes a lot of his passes give the ball back to the opposition.
He's not a midfielder, which is why he shouldn't play in midfield. It's quite simple and nothing to do with maturity.
Number 10 is his best position imo.
He's a footballer whose talents are often perfectly suited to midfield. He's good on the ball, strong, has great passing range/ability. If you have the attributes then sometimes you'll be asked to do it. Valencia isn't really a right back but because he's shown himself capable there he's used from time to time in that position.
Versatility in a player isn't a bad thing. I think it is a sign of immaturity on his part. A player should be happy to play in various different positions if he's lucky enough to be the kind of player who is versatile enough to be effective in them. It's also perhaps a sign of immaturity that Rooney cannot see that with his bodyshape he's unlikely to be able to be effective up front for many years beyond 30. Dropping deep and adapting his game as he gets older may well be one way of ensuring his career is prolonged. I don't think he has the body shape to be a '25 goals a season' once his body starts to slow down. If he moved deeper, it may well extend his shelf-life a bit in years to come.
Scholes certianly wouldn't have played on for as long as he did if he was still considering himself 'Roy of the Rovers' and bursting into the box every five minutes. There comes a point where you have to think about what's good for your own career not just "i want to score goals". Sure he can do that still but IMO he should embrace being used deeper as it's the only way he'll be able to have a career that goes beyond his early 30s at this level.
He's too erratic to play in midfielder. He can ping a few passes around, but can he keep possession and control the tempo of a match for 90 minutes?
It's done out of necessity though. We couldn't put a midfielder up front and expect 30 goals a season, but due to lack of quality midfield talent at our disposal, we sometimes ask Rooney to come deeper.
No they aren't. He's a good long range passer and that's it. He's got no defensive awareness whatsoever and his positioning is also something that's good enough for midfield. Him playing midfield in certain situations is alright or in case of injuries but as a permanent position, it's never likely to happen.
Playing number 10 suits him perfectly. Playing there allows him to do everything he is good at even if it's at the cost of a few goal more he might have scored playing as a 9.
Rooney has no defensive awareness?
That's absurd.
That's absurd.
It's not absurd. Chasing back from advanced positions as Rooney does is not defensive awareness.
I disagree I think he's incredibly defensively astute and especially when chasing back. It's a reason why Sir Alex so often asked him to 'hold' in the wide midfield area.
That's called working hard. You need a different kind of awareness when you're playing midfield (and a 2 man midfield at that).
Tough decisions will need to be made, so we'll have to see how Moyes handles this situation. We have 2 world class no9's and a more than capable no10 with a young no10 who put on an amazing display in the only game he's played there.
Fact is Rooney as a no10 with the midfield we have isn't going to work to well. He isn't going to dictate our play and him coming ends in some of the most one dimensional attacking you'll ever see. But fact is he's coming deep because of our midfield, which isn't gonna improve that much throughout the season for us to justify rooney playing where he does.
The thing is though, leaving him on the bench is an extremely difficult option to take. His productivity is undoubted and considering the form of our other attackers couldn't possibly justify the exclusion of him. Unless of course changing him in the line up leads to a situation where the form of our other attackers improves because of better general play, personally I do doubt that with the midfield holding us back, but that does remain to be seen.
If it does happen, and he ends up being on the bench and being played all over the place then we'd have to sell him asap. The media is going to eat us up regardless of how the team plays.
Fact is Rooney as a no10 with the midfield we have isn't going to work to well. He isn't going to dictate our play and him coming ends in some of the most one dimensional attacking you'll ever see. But fact is he's coming deep because of our midfield, which isn't gonna improve that much throughout the season for us to justify rooney playing where he does.
The thing is though, leaving him on the bench is an extremely difficult option to take. His productivity is undoubted and considering the form of our other attackers couldn't possibly justify the exclusion of him. Unless of course changing him in the line up leads to a situation where the form of our other attackers improves because of better general play, personally I do doubt that with the midfield holding us back, but that does remain to be seen.
If it does happen, and he ends up being on the bench and being played all over the place then we'd have to sell him asap. The media is going to eat us up regardless of how the team plays.
He's not a very good midfielder. He might move there when he can no longer perform as a striker.
Absolutely need him to be at the top of his game tomorrow.
He'll be well up for this one.
I assume him and van Persie will both start, but Rooney will probably have to drop deeper when Arsenal are in possession and stay tight to Arteta - the basis of Arsenal's monopolisation of possession. He did an excellent job on Arteta at Old Trafford last season and will have to be very aware and focused when out of possession tomorrow.
Of course, this is all hypothetical, Moyes might not even ask him to sit deeper. But I think he will probably be our most key player if we are to get the three points, particularly with the form he's in.
Of course, this is all hypothetical, Moyes might not even ask him to sit deeper. But I think he will probably be our most key player if we are to get the three points, particularly with the form he's in.
As a number 10 he really holds us back when in possession. If only one of him or RVP could allow to operate wide...or that he could simply be given a free role to enable the likes of Kagawa to operate more behind RVP ...but that's wishful thinking...
Rooney and Drogba always turned up against us (notice the past tense *fingers crossed*).
If we set up right, Rvp and him can really hurt Arsenals back 4.
I'm finding this sort of thing increasingly annoying because it's happening a lot. I was whinging about Rooney playing too high a few weeks ago and here he is dropping deep to collect the ball, and apart from Kagawa who is in a good number 10 position, he has no support whatsoever as the two CMs have decided to disappear up the field in line with the opposition CBs. There is hardly any chance of good passing through midfield when it seems no one wants to be in there. There's no reason for Rooney and Kagawa to be deeper than Fellaini and Giggs here, it's not even like they're up there making good runs and dragging the defenders out of position to create space for the strikers. It'll probably be less of a problem when Carrick/Cleverley are back anyway but I'll still like to see Rooney drop in to support them. I also think he will really be up for the Arsenal game. Just hope everyone else is.
No options on the ball, being pressed hard from behind.. two people in offside positions ahead, five of them almost in a line. If he lost the ball there we would have had problems.
The thing is, he's still playing high - there's clearly a positional change from Moyes. Rooney doesn't have to drop back as much as he did last season, but you're right. It says a lot about Giggs as a midfielder when you have Rooney drop that deep to pick up the ball.
It'll be interesting to see whether he plays as high against Arsenal. Last season he played quite deep against them at OT, basically nullifying Arteta. I just meant in this instance where he clearly dropped deep supporting the midfield, why do the midfielders feel its appropriate to vacate their positions? It's baffling.
I don't think it's surprising to see them do that, it's what both Fellaini and Giggs always do for us, even Jones to an extent. it's concerning that only Carrick and Cleverley understand that being a midfielder is about more than standing still in midfield and then slowly walking to the box when in possession.
Rooney in midfield would be the same issue. Still, Moyes shouldn't be afraid to tell the cnut to fulfil that role if he thinks it best.
Oh my God.
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