We wouldn't be paying him £200,000 per week unless he started putting in Scholes like performances.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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We wouldn't be paying him £200,000 per week unless he started putting in Scholes like performances.
Er, Sir Bobby?
Do you really think that the man who twice tried to leave us, when in reality he probably just wanted to earn more than his £250k a week is more deserving than the man who lost half his teammates in a plane crash, survived said plane crash to help rebuild United into European Cup winners, and helped establish the club as the global powerhouse that it is today?
Sir Bobby is in the top tier at United, alongside Sir Matt and Sir Alex. It won't be long before our record goalscorer is a player who doesn't really like the club.
Ronaldo isn't a legend. He's still adulated by a lot of United fans, but he was in a similar boat to Rooney. The difference between the two is that Ronaldo went to play for what is probably the biggest club in the world, Rooney seemed hell bent on joining an inferior City/Chelsea for a bigger wad.
Also, kudos to Rooney on sticking with us for all those years. Selfless man.
This doesn't help, no. But Rooney does find himself in attacking situations a lot yet is more inclined to just shift it out to the side, cut in timidly, etc. It inspires no confidence or threat in the attacking third when he's not on his game. At the very least, a player in that position should introduce composure to that level of the field on a consistent basis, but preferably we need him to drive the issue a bit more. This is why I say he's more sorted to being a striker at the moment, because these inconsistencies wouldn't be as detrimental or apparent. There's no place him for there just yet and we'd lose what he offers in midfield though as you say.
Do you really think people care when remembering who is the top scorer? Yeah Sir Bobby is a fecking legend and a glorified character because of it but you're overstating the morality of it all. It's a fact that plenty are just going to have to deal with if/when he overtakes him. They'll probably get over it eventually.
I know I'm overstating it, and I know that in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter, but I can't say I'll enjoy seeing his name written into our history books despite not wanting to be here.
Fair enough, but let me speak for the entire world in saying 'nobody really cares what you think'. Nor I, nor any of the fans around the world really. It's still an amazing achievement in any case to be top scorer for United.
For sure, totally not disagreeing with the fact that he's a striker playing a withdrawn role to fit him into the team. I'd absolutely love a compact 2-2 with wingers making up the width but we just don't have the midfielders to do that at the moment.
It's obvious he thinks the name on the back of his shirt warrants him firstly being able to choose his own position and secondly be the first name on the team-sheet even when he is horribly out of form. This interview is basically just him reaffirming that if he doesn't play in the position he wants to play (irrespective of form) or gets dropped (irrespective of form) that he will again throw his toys out of the pram.
"I got told to play in midfield and I didn't want to." For 3 or 4 games, hardly the end of the World.
"I just think there had to come a point when, for my own career, I had to be a bit selfish really." Or you could have knuckled down and put the work in to earn your favourite position back (as you've been doing this season)
"I felt I deserved the right to play in my position and that wasn't happening". False.
"I didn't feel I got a consistent run of games up front". False.
"I'm not saying I wouldn't [go into midfield] for instance if it was the last 10 or 15 minutes of a game". What selfless generosity for a mere £250k a week.
All in all it just stinks of egotistical bullshit, excuses and a failure to accept that the manager picks the team based on what he feels will achieve the best result, rather than what will pander to Rooney's ego.
Unfortunately not getting rid of him in the Summer has put us in a difficult situation. Ie in a difficult away game where it is obvious a 5 in midfield with RVP alone up front is the way to go, Moyes knows that Rooney will kick off if he's in midfield, on the left or not playing. Now we are left with a player on a dwindling contract who is a tactical decision away from disrupting the team (rather than for instance Ozil).
"I got told to play in midfield and I didn't want to." For 3 or 4 games, hardly the end of the World.
"I just think there had to come a point when, for my own career, I had to be a bit selfish really." Or you could have knuckled down and put the work in to earn your favourite position back (as you've been doing this season)
"I felt I deserved the right to play in my position and that wasn't happening". False.
"I didn't feel I got a consistent run of games up front". False.
"I'm not saying I wouldn't [go into midfield] for instance if it was the last 10 or 15 minutes of a game". What selfless generosity for a mere £250k a week.
All in all it just stinks of egotistical bullshit, excuses and a failure to accept that the manager picks the team based on what he feels will achieve the best result, rather than what will pander to Rooney's ego.
Unfortunately not getting rid of him in the Summer has put us in a difficult situation. Ie in a difficult away game where it is obvious a 5 in midfield with RVP alone up front is the way to go, Moyes knows that Rooney will kick off if he's in midfield, on the left or not playing. Now we are left with a player on a dwindling contract who is a tactical decision away from disrupting the team (rather than for instance Ozil).
Not being ahppy about Rooney scoring goals and breaking records, just because of his statemets is kinda lame, tbf. No offence!
Surely not even Stretford would design a charm offensive around such themes as we are seeing here?
For all intents and purposes Rooney was planning his departure because Sir Alex asked him to play in midfield in a minority of appearances last season, and these not for some whim of the manager's by the way. Should Carrick and Valencia follow Wayne's example the next time Moyes asks them to do a job in defence?
Additionally there is barely any acceptance of responsibility on his part with little sign that he is willing to meet the club halfway on the matter.
Has anything changed since the summer, except for maybe the size of Rooney's ego and sense of self importance.
On Januzaj: "He's a tremendous talent, but is he from Belgium, or Croatia, or something?"
Feckin hilarious. After I read that I was left thinking 'Did Rooney actually say that in an interview' ??!!
Oh well....so long as he's on form for United I couldn't give a bollox how stupid he is
Will Chelsea even want him next summer with Lukaku coming back? Arsenal might find some use for him I guess.
He is a complete idiot. His reasons for trying to move away this time round are just as stupid as the excuses he tried the first time he wanted to leave.
Sign of the times Liamo and there's nothing we can do about it. Football has moved on from the romantic days and while there are still some loyal gems that uphold old fashioned ways, the vast majority of footballers are greedy and self centered individuals. I just think that certain footballers with a bit more going on upstairs are better at hiding it.
You can say the same about a shed load of other sports as well as music etc
What a load of bollocks.
His long term financial interests? He earns more in a month than most of us will earn in our lives. Don't play the poor ickle footballer with his inadeqaute pay grade card.
No doubt a lot of his shenanigans have been monetary related, but that doesn't make what he's done (twice now) defensible.
He thought he'd get more offers in the summer, offers that would give him more money. Had Chelsea given guarantees of a higher wage I have no doubt the transfer request would have been handed in. He's probably realised he won't get more than he's on, and won't get a choice of clubs to join. He's simply posturing and trying to win over supporters with the "I was unhappy about being played of position" card, an alien position he occupied 3/4 times all season.
I am not playing any card or defending him. Just stating my opinion. Money is important to him as has already been seen from his last strop. He would have been advised that playing in midfield may have a negative effect in his position during the contract negotiations. I just could not see United matching the wages he is on, if he was moved to midfield on a permanent basis, unless he turned into one of the best midfielders in the world. Any how, he was hardly played there for a few games and he claimed to enjoy it!
It will bhe interesting to see how Moyes reacts to this IMO. If Fergie was still at the helm you could envisage Rooney mysteriously finding himself on the bench, out of the squad entirely, or saving that used in midfield at some point in the very near future.
The perception that
The perception that
9th season with the club, I think it continues to show a lot of disrespect to United & their fans. Tough luck for you lot, always was put off by players who pulled that kind of nonsense
The more he would have played in midfield, the more Fergie/other managers might think "Well, he seems happy to play there - I reckon I'll just more him back there permanently then".
I completely agree with Rooney when he said that he needed to be selfish in that area. Why should he suffer in sacrificing his goal-threat attribute to play in midfield when the club has had plenty of transfer windows to recruit some midfielders?
It was three or four games I know - but what I mean is that the four could turn into 5, then 10, then 20. He wouldn't have stood a chance at finishing his career at United as the leading goalscorer if he was to be transformed into a midfielder.
I'm sorry - but I see no wrong-doing by Rooney here.
If you're happy to swallow Rooney's bull then I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise.
What a load of tripe.
However using that hypothesis. Had Rooney stepped up and made that position his own, an area we are weak, surely he would be more deserved of a higher wage?
I just cannot get my head around this defence of him from certain people. He has shit on the club twice now, shown no loyalty and seems very much a prima donna. Personally I believe him to be a disruptive influence by setting the standard of whine in the press and the club will give you what you want.
He's certain swallowing something, deep throating more like.
Nothing wrong with what Rooney has said to be honest. And I think he's a bit of a twat.
Hide the matches, this thread is about to go up in flames again.
Aye. What's a shame is that it used to be a huge waste of his talents to deploy him like that. That player still shows up sometimes so hopefully he emerges again.
There are ways in which you can disagree respectfully.
I am just trying to explore his thought process here. He's already considered one of the best in the world in his position as either a #9 or a #10. Then purely from a financial point of view, why should he take the risk of stepping back into the midfield. What if the switch isn't successful? With only a year left on his contract and having spent the last year in midfield, his market value would have gone down considerably. That's not to say he couldn't have made the position his own, but why run that risk when you can still get big bucks playing in a position that you've played all your life?
In fairness I really don't think it's about money with Rooney. Lets me realistic. It's more about a bruised ego if anything
Good post.
90% of his games were played in his preferred position.
I find it sickening that we are approaching this debate from a financial standpoint. He earns obcene amounts and if his thought process was along the lines of, "I don't care where the team need me, I want more money and for that I need to play upfront," he can feck off.
It's quite clear Rooney's thought process was influenced by the almighty dollar. How anyone can defend that with the sums being bandied around, plus his general attitude and treatment of the club and its fans is bewildering.
I think it's both. Though I think the money aspect is probably driven by his agent as much as by Rooney himself. One thing I don't believe is it being because he played in midfield a few times. It was him who wanted us to sign players like Van Persie lets not forget.
I'd say it's a mixture of both.
I don't buy this I didn't want to play in midfield line either. He did it for a few games. His ego was bruised as he felt he was undroppable, when in reality his performances didn't warrant that mindset. His ego will have took a battering when only two clubs were interested in the summer I have no doubt. I get the impression he and his advisers thought he'd have a choice of clubs.
Who's to say the number of games he played in midfield wouldn't have increased? I am not defending him at all by the way. I wanted him gone from the club in the summer, and still want him gone. I think as good a player he is, he restricts us tactically. He has been presented with many opportunities to commit himself to the club and he has sidetracked the question every time. And this has happened when Moyes has decided to play him in his favored position. If it was all about playing as a striker, than what is stopping him from committing now. It's about the money with him.
Maybe he was struggling to come to terms with the fact that his form had dipped and his mind was on everything but his game. In a situation like that it's a common thing for certain types of people to look elsewhere under the false belief that the grass is always greener. Put Rooney's low level of intelligence into the mix, a fear that his value was decreasing and a thrifty agent and perhaps you have your answer regarding his desire to move.
The midfield lark in the interview is obviously bullshit because the stats are there to support the fact he only played 3 or 4 games there at most and had claimed publicly to enjoy it.
Its pretty obvious he's lying. "Didn't want to play in midfield" sounds better than "didn't like being dropped". And even then it sounds pretty bad.
Atleast he's admitted that he wanted to leave rather than sticking to blaming the club for making things up.
Atleast he's admitted that he wanted to leave rather than sticking to blaming the club for making things up.
Really wish we'd have sold him in the summer
Why's that?
You wouldn't have the slightest clue why a United fan would have wanted to see the back of him in the summer? I personally wouldn't have wanted to see him leave, even abroad, as he's a top player. That doesn't mean that I don't understand why others would have wanted to see him go though. There's perfectly valid reasons.
I agree completely, but at this point I am past caring about Rooney's bullshit - the important thing is that he either signs a new contract or we should ship him out ASAP.
On the plus side, Moyes does seem to have got him playing with a bit of desire again (which was clearly lacking last year) so we should get a higher fee if he still wants to go.
Definitely.
Get him to sign a 2 year extension before January or ship him off to Madrid or Chelsea (the latter only with Mata coming the other way).
I'd personally prefer the latter as I think having a player who is hamstringing the manager with threats to leave (if not played when and where he wants) will only ever end badly.
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