Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Aye, it's a real achievement. He's not quite two-footed, but he's far moreso than most players, and for a left footer he's remarkable. The other thing that jumped out at me is that Arsenal seemingly never get any penalties.
 
Chabon said:
I wanted to post this for two reasons. First so we could all revel in having the two best players in the league, and second so I could again make the claim that Rooney is the best scorer of headers in the Premier League. People forget that headers are relatively rare, and so it goes unnoticed that he scores more than anyone else. Well, except maybe Crouch, but he's not exactly prolific so it might just be that a lot of his goals are headers.
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Probably influenced by the fact that we have always been geared towards wing play (and have the best wingers).
 
Chabon said:
First so we could all revel in having the two best players in the league, and second so I could again make the claim that Rooney is the best scorer of headers in the Premier League.
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I don't think Rooney is the second best player in the league, he certainly hasn't played like it this season and no one would have put him in the top two player in the PL last season either. If everyone in the league played their absolute best over the course of the season he probably would be, but that doesn't actually mean anything.
 
He's definitely not the second best player in the league. Top 5 probably.

I guess at his best he probably is but we don't see his best half as often as we do RVP's, Aguero's or Suarez.
 
I still can't believe that we have both Rooney AND Van Persie. A dream attack if I've ever seen one - and that's not even mentioning the fact we have Hernandez and (to a lesser extent) Welbeck as back up.

I really do have a good feeling about this season. If we can beat Madrid, then I can see Rooney and Robin taking us all the way to the final....

*touch wood*
 
Saying Aguero and Suarez are better than Rooney is a weird enough statement, but to suggest they're more consistent is certifiable. Have you seen Aguero at all this season?
 
Chabon said:
Saying Aguero and Suarez are better than Rooney is a weird enough statement, but to suggest they're more consistent is certifiable. Have you seen Aguero at all this season?
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Suarez has definitely been better than Rooney this season. I don't think that's arguable.

Mata has too, so that's Rooney out of the top three already before we move on to other players.
 
Chabon said:
Saying Aguero and Suarez are better than Rooney is a weird enough statement, but to suggest they're more consistent is certifiable. Have you seen Aguero at all this season?
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Glad someone said this.

Aguero is having definite 2nd season syndrome.

And at £38m wasn't exactly a bargain buy.
 
Aguero has never been particularly consistent in a City shirt, he's just prone to bursts of great form. Suarez has suddenly burst into stunning form, but he'd have to keep it up for longer than four months to deserve to be called a better player than Rooney.
 
Chabon said:
Saying Aguero and Suarez are better than Rooney is a weird enough statement, but to suggest they're more consistent is certifiable. Have you seen Aguero at all this season?
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Suarez has been way better than Rooney this season, and plays is a far shitter team too, surely you can't argue who is the better player right now?

Aguero isn't having an overly great season so far but he's just as consistent as Rooney (hit 30 goals in his debut season) and it's certainly not "weird" to argue that he's a better player.

Right now Rooney is not the second best player in the PL, that's for sure.
 
Cina said:
He's definitely not the second best player in the league. Top 5 probably.

I guess at his best he probably is but we don't see his best half as often as we do RVP's, Aguero's or Suarez.
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I'm not sure about that.

Aguero has been largely poor this season (certainly poorer than Rooney) and Suarez has only really added that killer touch this season which excels him into the top catergory of player. Mata is similar in that regard, very good last season but only really kicked on to something a bit more special this season.

RVP is the only attacking player who I think has proven to be truly consistent. Silva, Rooney, Aguero, Mata, Suarez etc are all similar in quality and it really comes down to who is most in form at the time. It's difficult to rank one over the other IMO.
 
Anyone know when Rooney might be back?

The biggest thing you can say about VP, is that with him in such form, people are almost forgetting we've got our last 2-3years's talisman out! Amazing turnaround.
 
Hence the second part of my post, "at his best". Aguero may not have been the perfect example as he's certainly been hit and miss this season too, but right now there are a few better players than Rooney in the PL. If he hits top form then certainly there's an argument for him being in the top two.
 
Cina said:
Right now Rooney is not the second best player in the PL, that's for sure.
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Right now Rooney's injured. And if you mean across this season, then I think maybe we should take more than four months when considering who the better player is.

So yeah, Rooney hasn't been at quite his best this season, and he's missed a few games, and yet he's still managed seven goals and eight assists in twelve starts. The only players in the league ahead of him on that combined count are RVP and Suarez, despite the fact that Rooney no longer plays as a forward and has played fewer games.
 
Chabon said:
Right now Rooney's injured. And if you mean across this season, then I think maybe we should take more than four months when considering who the better player is.

So yeah, Rooney hasn't been at quite his best this season, and he's missed a few games, and yet he's still managed seven goals and eight assists in twelve starts. The only players in the league ahead of him on that combined count are RVP and Suarez, despite the fact that Rooney no longer plays as a forward and has played fewer games.
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Of course he still plays as a forward, he's hardly playing smack bang in the middle of the midfield. He's just had a few games where, whilst still being primarily in the #10 role, he's had to drop deeper at times to mark midfielders out of the game when we don't have possession. It's more defensive than usual but far from removing him as a forward player. I don't get why people are suddenly saying he's turning into a midfielder, Rooney has always dropped deep to spray balls and help dictate the flow of the game, it's what he did during his brilliant spell in the 10/11 run in. The only time he didn't really do it was when we were relying on him for goals in 09/10 after Ronaldo left the club.

And it's not just four months, Rooney wasn't one of the top two last season either, and it's recent form, not past form you have to take into account. Would any non biased Arse fan have said RVP was the best player in the PL two years ago? No, but most people agree he is now, why? Because of the last season and a half.
 
Rooney was, at worst, the third best player in the league last season. And even then I wonder if Yaya Toure really deserved quite such high praise considering his tendency to stroll through so many games when City seemed to bottling the title so spectacularly.
 
According to most people on here Rooney wasn't even our third best player last season, so that's an odd conclusion.
 
Rooney scored 34 goals for us last season without even being the main striker, even at times playing in midfield (Everton as a CDM).
 
Chabon said:
Right now Rooney's injured. And if you mean across this season, then I think maybe we should take more than four months when considering who the better player is.

So yeah, Rooney hasn't been at quite his best this season, and he's missed a few games, and yet he's still managed seven goals and eight assists in twelve starts. The only players in the league ahead of him on that combined count are RVP and Suarez, despite the fact that Rooney no longer plays as a forward and has played fewer games.
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2012/13
1. Van Persie
2. Mata
3. Suarez

2011/12
1. Van Persie
2. Yaya Toure
3. Kompany

2010/11
1. Vidic
2. Tevez
3. Nani

You have to go all the way back to 2009/10 for the last time Rooney was clearly the best player in the league and I wouldn't include him in my top three for any of the seasons since then in terms of performances on the pitch.

So how is Rooney the second best player in the league when he never actually plays like it over the course of a season?
 
Chabon said:
Rooney was, at worst, the third best player in the league last season. And even then I wonder if Yaya Toure really deserved quite such high praise considering his tendency to stroll through so many games when City seemed to bottling the title so spectacularly.
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Kompany was definitely better than Rooney last season.
 
Has the Christmas period induced a streak of doubting our strikers on the CAF? Across the board Welbeck, Hernandez and now Rooney are being questioned at a time when I thought most people would agree it has been our forwards who have carried us so far this season.

Rooney is the best English player of his generation and one of the best players on the planet. I'm not a Rooney fanboi and I do think he hasn't been at his best this season, his display against Swansea had the look of someone who had clocked off for Xmas already, but his stats speak for themselves. Even last season when for half the year I think he failed to show his absolute best form consistently over 90 minutes he still scored 34 goals.
 
Cina said:
According to most people on here Rooney wasn't even our third best player last season, so that's an odd conclusion.
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This place is notoriously down on Rooney, and plenty of our other players to boot. He was clearly our best player last season, definitely our best player in the latter half of 2010/11, and at times we were a one-man team the season before that.
 
#07 said:
Has the Christmas period induced a streak of doubting our strikers on the CAF? Across the board Welbeck, Hernandez and now Rooney are being questioned at a time when I thought most people would agree it has been our forwards who have carried us so far this season.

Rooney is the best English player of his generation and one of the best players on the planet. I'm not a Rooney fanboi and I do think he hasn't been at his best this season, his display against Swansea had the look of someone who had clocked off for Xmas already, but his stats speak for themselves. Even last season when for half the year I think he failed to show his absolute best form consistently over 90 minutes he still scored 34 goals.
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No one thinks Rooney is anything but a really good player, he's just not the second best player in the league.
 
Chabon said:
This place is notoriously down on Rooney, and plenty of our other players to boot. He was clearly our best player last season, definitely our best player in the latter half of 2010/11, and at times we were a one-man team the season before that.
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We've never been a one man team with Rooney, far from it.
 
lunchforthesky said:
No one thinks Rooney is anything but a really good player, he's just not the second best player in the league.
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And yet when challenged to name a better player people invariably turn to examples with maybe six months of great form. Last season it was Kompany and Toure, both of whom have been mediocre this season, this year it's Suarez and Mata, both of whom will inevitably have a run of poor form. Hell, 12 months ago everyone thought Silva was the best player in the league, and what's he done since?

Just look at that table that started this discussion, 100 games, 65 goals and 25 assists, almost all of it as a number 10.
 
Harsh to expect consistency from Rooney this season anyway. He's had two decent spells out with injury already.

Despite that, he's second only to Mata and Gerrard on the assists tables, as far as I can see, so he must have been doing something right.
 
lunchforthesky said:
2012/13
1. Van Persie
2. Mata
3. Suarez

2011/12
1. Van Persie
2. Yaya Toure
3. Kompany

2010/11
1. Vidic
2. Tevez
3. Nani

You have to go all the way back to 2009/10 for the last time Rooney was clearly the best player in the league and I wouldn't include him in my top three for any of the seasons since then in terms of performances on the pitch.

So how is Rooney the second best player in the league when he never actually plays like it over the course of a season?
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Not sure how anyone could argue against that to be honest. A top player, but one who arguably has only been one of the top 3 players in the league once in the last 7 years.
 
What I find interesting is, I am very easy on Rooney unfortunately, in terms of rating him, I probably overrate him. This is because its awkward to compare him to a striker because his game has more than that, but to compare to him to a midfielder would also be unfair because he is very up quite a lot of the time.

How would you rate Rooney in terms of top Strikers on the plannet now?

Messi (Not a striker, but will play this role better than anyone)
Ronaldo
Falcao
RVP
Then, for me it is your Aguero, Rooney, Cavani (To a lesser extent)

how would others rank him out of interest in terms of a striker?
 
Rooney is such a wonderful player for me he is better than RVP as he has more to his game. But every time I see RVP play he edges closer and closer to me changing my mind. But that's no slight on either I just enjoy both them we are very lucky to have them here. along with Suarez and Augero I think they are the best players in the league.
 
Jaybezia said:
What I find interesting is, I am very easy on Rooney unfortunately, in terms of rating him, I probably overrate him. This is because its awkward to compare him to a striker because his game has more than that, but to compare to him to a midfielder would also be unfair because he is very up quite a lot of the time.

How would you rate Rooney in terms of top Strikers on the plannet now?

Messi (Not a striker, but will play this role better than anyone)
Ronaldo
Falcao
RVP
Then, for me it is your Aguero, Rooney, Cavani (To a lesser extent)

how would others rank him out of interest in terms of a striker?
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I'd say he's behind Messi, Ronaldo, RVP, Falcao and Ibrahimovich, along with Aguero, Suarez, Cavani, Tevez, Benzema.
 
I'd love to go through all of Rooney's games and see which ones he played as an out and out striker in and then count the goals, but it would be too much effort. So instead you just have to go off that one season he had where he played almost exclusively up there, and in it he scored 34 goals in 38 starts before he got injured against Bayern.

I think he's as good a striker as anyone in the world (Ronaldo and Messi not included, for semantic reasons).
 
lunchforthesky said:
2012/13
1. Van Persie
2. Mata
3. Suarez

2011/12
1. Van Persie
2. Yaya Toure
3. Kompany

2010/11
1. Vidic
2. Tevez
3. Nani

You have to go all the way back to 2009/10 for the last time Rooney was clearly the best player in the league and I wouldn't include him in my top three for any of the seasons since then in terms of performances on the pitch.

So how is Rooney the second best player in the league when he never actually plays like it over the course of a season?
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I don't necessarily disagree with that list, per se.

However, that's not to say that list is conclusive over the fact he is not the second best player in the league.

Going by your logic who is the second best player in the league? Can't really be Yaya or Kompany when they've displayed that kind of form for one season maximum? Tevez hasn't exactly set the league on fire since his debut season at City, Nani has been out of the side for a while and Vidic even longer.

My point is basically you can't use that list to rule out Rooney as not being the second best player. I'm not saying he is - but there aren't really any other candidates picking themselves either.
 
finneh said:
I'd say he's behind Messi, Ronaldo, RVP, Falcao and Ibrahimovich, along with Aguero, Suarez, Cavani, Tevez, Benzema.
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Exactly, meaning he is not even in the top 5 strikers in the world? People talk about him being the second best PLAYER in this league? Hell of a player don't get me wrong, but he is so hard to rank IMO, still not sure we get the best out of him, or he knows what his 'best' is.

If you were to rank him against attacking midfielders based on this season (As an attacking midfielder), how would you rate him against other top AM's?
 
wonnie said:
I don't necessarily disagree with that list, per se.

However, that's not to say that list is conclusive over the fact he is not the second best player in the league.

Going by your logic who is the second best player in the league? Can't really be Yaya or Kompany when they've displayed that kind of form for one season maximum? Tevez hasn't exactly set the league on fire since his debut season at City, Nani has been out of the side for a while and Vidic even longer.

My point is basically you can't use that list to rule out Rooney as not being the second best player. I'm not saying he is - but there aren't really any other candidates picking themselves either.
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depends if your asking who is the best ability wise or form wise?
 
lunchforthesky said:
No one thinks Rooney is anything but a really good player, he's just not the second best player in the league.
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So who would you swap Rooney for in terms of other teams players?

I wouldn't swap him for any player any of our domestic rivals have,as there's noone who could do his range of roles anywhere near as well, while playing with such an edge.

Ronaldo and Messi, yep, needless to say, but I wouldn't swap him for anyone else.

I expect it's when he's gone people will realise what we had.
 
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