Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Ekeke said:
He still doesnt want to be here, that much is obvious. Not from on the pitch where hes playing really well. But from the fact he could easily put this to bed for most people just by saying he wants to stay. Most people are so desperate to hear that, it'll be the end of the issue for them especially if he continues playing well and scoring goals. But even if he does finally say he wants to stay, he did that last time too and still asked to leave again.

This summer will definitely be the hottest part of this drama because of his contract situation, the club and a lot of fans are keen to sweep it under the rug but this could still get very nasty, very fast. And I think people should just remember that and not set themselves up for a fall by wanting to believe it'll all work itself out like a fairytail just because we didn't let him leave this summer. But if it does somehow transpire in the form of a fairytail, he announces he's staying, signs a new deal for an extended period of time without getting a payday, I think Rooney just about has one last chance to fix the way he's remembered at the club. And his current form is a good start on that
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Why nasty? If he wants to leave he can do in 2 years time. Or the club sells him. He also has his corporate brand to think about, I cant see a player of his ability going on strike or lowering his performances.

Sad, but I dont see it becoming 'nasty'.
 
Red Dreams said:
do you think Rooney is not saying anything until the new contract is signed?
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One of the sub plots at play is of course the possibility of a history making new contract. Of course its a very plausible option and one he will be actively considering.
 
Some nice pieces of skill in the first half as well. Nut meg on the right hand side to go past a player, unlucky to not keep the ball in.
 
sammsky1 said:
I think he will have a great season with us, get plenty of offers in the summer .... and then stay. Once he is within touching distance of SBC record, that will be a huge carrot.

But we will have to break our wage record to keep him. And Moyes will have to add 2 world class players in non competing positions to give him the real chance for further Champions League glory. SAF will also have to offer an olive branch behind the scenes and repair the relationship. Perhaps also via a glowing eulogy in his upcoming book. The deal will be done after the world cup next summer.

Personally I think all that trouble is worth it. Rooney on form, like tonight is priceless .... read Ibrahimovich's recent interview.

Thats my guess.
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Why not throw in a Mandy Henry blowjob while we're at it? fecking hell...
 
sammsky1 said:
Why nasty? If he wants to leave he can do in 2 years time. Or the club sells him. He also has his corporate brand to think about, I cant see a player of his ability going on strike or lowering his performances.

Sad, but I dont see it becoming 'nasty'.
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I think it would be "nasty" if he does as he's likely to and asks to leave again, insisting on moving to one or two premier league clubs. He can also ensure he gets the move he wants to Chelsea or even City (though hes said before he wouldnt... ) if he waits for his contract to expire.

At this point I dont think his performances will drop due to his future and going on strike would probably hurt him just as much as he loves to play.
 
sammsky1 said:
One of the sub plots at play is of course the possibility of a history making new contract. Of course its a very plausible option and one he will be actively considering.
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He can't consider it until we offer him a new contract, which we won't do until he proves his fitness and form. It looks like he's about to do that, and when he does he'll sign a new deal and it will become apparent that that's what this was all about all along. Again.
 
mickeza said:
He can't consider it until we offer him a new contract, which we won't do until he proves his fitness and form. It looks like he's about to do that, and when he does he'll sign a new deal and it will become apparent that that's what this was all about all along. Again.
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So lets say Rooney signs this deal, getting another payday for throwing his toys out of the pram. What do you think happens in a years time when Real Madrid want Rafael? Every other player at the club will see its the way to do things and follow suit. Why wouldnt they? Rooney is one of our English players who should be a bit more loyal to the club than the foreign lads. If even he is working this way, the whole club will. And I dont think you can put a price on changing the way the whole playing staff conduct business as a result. We will definitely have to give other players the paydays that Rooney "won". And when we don't cave the same way, some other players will want to leave.
 
Ekeke said:
So lets say Rooney signs this deal, getting another payday for throwing his toys out of the pram. What do you think happens in a years time when Real Madrid want Rafael? Every other player at the club will see its the way to do things and follow suit. Why wouldnt they? Rooney is one of our English players who should be a bit more loyal to the club than the foreign lads. If even he is working this way, the whole club will. And I dont think you can put a price on changing the way the whole playing staff conduct business as a result. We will definitely have to give other players the paydays that Rooney "won". And when we don't cave the same way, some other players will want to leave.
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If Rooney proves he's an important player to this club again why shouldn't we give him a new contract? I'd imagine we have doubts over his fitness and form, but if those doubts are alleviated then I see no reason why we shouldn't try and keep him.
 
mickeza said:
He can't consider it until we offer him a new contract, which we won't do until he proves his fitness and form. It looks like he's about to do that, and when he does he'll sign a new deal and it will become apparent that that's what this was all about all along. Again.
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that seesm tombe how this industry operates these days. The clubs also play there part in this charade. Lets just enjoy the football, that what I say!
 
Just watched the interview - not as bad as people are making it out. Standard answers for someone who clearly had mixed feelings during a transfer window. I certainly didn't expect him to just come out and say "I'm happy" as soon as the window has closed.

Give the guy time. He'll come round.

Top performance from him today. It's been a while since we saw that Wayne Rooney.
 
Thankfully he'll not get anywhere near Charltons record by next summer. He can give us a blinding season then feck off having not written his name at the top of that goal scores list.
 
nooshka said:
The guy (and his agent) are after more money if he were to come out and say he is happy then United he's throwing away his biggest bargaining tool if, as he has done, he says feck all then United are gonna have to make him want to stay with a nice new big contract.
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We have a winner!
 
mickeza said:
If Rooney proves he's an important player to this club again why shouldn't we give him a new contract? I'd imagine we have doubts over his fitness and form, but if those doubts are alleviated then I see no reason why we shouldn't try and keep him.
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We should. But if he gets a payday we're saying its fine to do things how he has.

So the question is how do we get a few more years on his contract, without paying him more money?
 
sammsky1 said:
that seesm tombe how this industry operates these days. The clubs also play there part in this charade. Lets just enjoy the football, that what I say!
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Maybe, the only thing I'd say to that is I don't think it was a charade, I think he wanted to leave because he took offence to the idea of having to prove himself worthy of a new contract, and would have quite willingly joined Chelsea if an offer had been accepted. However, now he's been forced to stay he's responded in the correct manner, and if he continues to play like he did tonight we'll have no qualms about offering him a new deal, he's still an outstanding footballer when his mind and fitness is right, which is why despite not particularly liking the guy I think it's in our best interests that he stays. Others will disagree I'm sure.
 
Ekeke said:
We should. But if he gets a payday we're saying its fine to do things how he has.

So the question is how do we get a few more years on his contract, without paying him more money?
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I don't think we have to pay him more money, he has two years remaining on his current deal, I'm sure he'd accept a five year contract at his current level along with the inevitable signing on fee he'd get. I don't like the way he's gone about it anymore than you, but unfortunately he's a professional sportsman who is trying to maximise his earnings in the short amount of time he has left at the elite level, it's the way of things these days, loyalty is in very short supply.
 
sammsky1 said:
I think he will have a great season with us, get plenty of offers in the summer .... and then stay. Once he is within touching distance of SBC record, that will be a huge carrot.

But we will have to break our wage record to keep him. And Moyes will have to add 2 world class players in non competing positions to give him the real chance for further Champions League glory. SAF will also have to offer an olive branch behind the scenes and repair the relationship. Perhaps also via a glowing eulogy in his upcoming book. The deal will be done after the world cup next summer.

Personally I think all that trouble is worth it. Rooney on form, like tonight is priceless .... read Ibrahimovich's recent interview.

Thats my guess.
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You forgot a player-coach role, a directorship at the club and a free lifetime private executive boxes thrown in.
 
I have always maintained he is still the best player in England, including Van Persie. He didn't get out of first gear tonight & yet he still wiped the floor with the entire Leverkusen midfield and defence. Conquering performance, & he has now reached 200 goals for the club as well. Glad to have him stay.
 
ghaliboy said:
We have a winner!
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I presume your saying this with just a hint of sarcasm. Yeah what i said is pretty obvious but people always jump to the worst conclusion especially on here, and so stating the blindingly obvious is sometimes what people need to hear just to make themselves realise its just one big game of who blinks first.
 
mickeza said:
I don't think we have to pay him more money, he has two years remaining on his current deal, I'm sure he'd accept a five year contract at his current level along with the inevitable signing on fee he'd get. I don't like the way he's gone about it anymore than you, but unfortunately he's a professional sportsman who is trying to maximise his earnings in the short amount of time he has left at the elite level, it's the way of things these days, loyalty is in very short supply.
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Well thats where we disagree then. I'm pretty sure we'll have to match whatever Chelsea are willing to offer, and then have to deal with each of our top emerging players doing exactly the same thing.
 
Now that is a great Wayne Rooney performance... superb tonight he was, and thats really the standard I expect from Wayne Rooney.
 
nooshka said:
I presume your saying this with just a hint of sarcasm. Yeah what i said is pretty obvious but people always jump to the worst conclusion especially on here, and so stating the blindingly obvious is sometimes what people need to hear just to make themselves realise its just one big game of who blinks first.
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No, I would have said you were talking shit if you were talking shit.
 
Ekeke said:
Well thats where we disagree then. I'm pretty sure we'll have to match whatever Chelsea are willing to offer, and then have to deal with each of our top emerging players doing exactly the same thing.
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Do you think Chelsea were willing to offer him a higher wage than he's on now after spending £40m on the transfer fee? The reports I read said they were only going to match his wages, but for five years, I could be wrong though. As for the latter point, he did this in 2010 and it doesn't appear to have had any knock on effect. I think our best players deserve to earn the going rate, if Rooney proves he's world class again then I don't understand what the problem is with giving him lots of money, it's not suddenly going to make lesser players come and demand the same wage. Players flirting with other clubs to get a new contract is nothing new, yes Rooney takes it to the extreme, but going on some moral crusade doesn't seem to be the best course of action to me, if he proves he's worth the money then give it to him.
 
mickeza said:
Do you think Chelsea were willing to offer him a higher wage than he's on now after spending £40m on the transfer fee? The reports I read said they were only going to match his wages, but for five years, I could be wrong though. As for the latter point, he did this in 2010 and it doesn't appear to have had any knock on effect. I think our best players deserve to earn the going rate, if Rooney proves he's world class again then I don't understand what the problem is with giving him lots of money, it's not suddenly going to make lesser players come and demand the same wage. Players flirting with other clubs to get a new contract is nothing new, yes Rooney takes it to the extreme, but going on some moral crusade doesn't seem to be the best course of action to me, if he proves he's worth the money then give it to him.
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Well I'm not being moral. I'm being selfish. I dont want myself or any other fans to have to deal with our best players going walkabouts because we set a precedent with Rooney that we refuse to keep to every time one of our young players proves to be very important to the team. I dont want to see Rafael and Januzaj (if he improves and proves himself at the club longterm) playing for Spanish clubs because we bent over backwards, more than just financially, for Rooney but when they act the same way we'll have a double standard or its not financially viable.
 
Ekeke said:
Well I'm not being moral. I'm being selfish. I dont want myself or any other fans to have to deal with our best players going walkabouts because we set a precedent with Rooney that we refuse to keep to every time one of our young players proves to be very important to the team. I dont want to see Rafael and Januzaj (if he improves and proves himself at the club longterm) playing for Spanish clubs because we bent over backwards, more than just financially, for Rooney but when they act the same way we'll have a double standard or its not financially viable.
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If we don't pay Rafael what he could get at Madrid then it's unlikely he's going to stay, whether we give Rooney a new contract or not. Rooney didn't start the game, he's merely playing it, the precedent was set many years ago, players have the power.
 
mickeza said:
If we don't pay Rafael what he could get at Madrid then it's unlikely he's going to stay, whether we give Rooney a new contract or not. Rooney didn't start the game, he's merely playing it, the precedent was set many years ago, players have the power.
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Rooney is starting the game at United, at a particularly unstable time for the club with the changeover of manager.
 
Ekeke said:
Well thats where we disagree then. I'm pretty sure we'll have to match whatever Chelsea are willing to offer, and then have to deal with each of our top emerging players doing exactly the same thing.
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I don't think this is very likely. Our other top players aren't likely to automatically pull the same stunt if it turns out Rooney gets himself a new contract. It isn't quite as simple as that.

We don't even to know to what extent it is a sheer stunt. Nor do we have large numbers of players in his category. In short, the danger of setting a precedence isn't all that big. As for matching Chelsea, that shouldn't be too hard. Rooney is by all accounts extremely well paid as it is. If we extend his contract I doubt this will mean any significant pay rise for him. Given his age and his current paycheck he can't possibly expect this - and he wouldn't get it at Chelsea either.

I'd say much depends simply on how his season goes. We might be able to get him to sign an extension before Chelsea get the chance to come in and "unsettle" him once more.
 
nooshka said:
The guy (and his agent) are after more money if he were to come out and say he is happy then United he's throwing away his biggest bargaining tool if, as he has done, he says feck all then United are gonna have to make him want to stay with a nice new big contract.
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I see this all the time, it's like people really think they only form of communication in football is via the media.

If Rooney wants a bigger contract the chances are he will get one no matter what he says in front of camera.
 
I think Rooney just went into that interview (his first since the summer?) with a predetermined mindset that he would answer any question related to his future with 'I'm just concentrating on my football'. To be fair, it appears by all accounts that this is exactly what he is doing.

Is there any good to come from him elaborating on that minutes after playing in a match?

He is not going to say he is unhappy as that would create another media furore. If he says he's happy and loves the club he'll be labelled a hypocrite - how would people react if he kissed the badge right now? He can't deny the transfer request and contradict Sir Alex as it will be seen as an attack on the most popular and legendary man at the club.

Let him get on with it. When he's playing football he's happy.
 
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