this. we can only let rooney go if we bring in top class replacement. and even then, selling him to chelsea could still be considered as suicidal.
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this. we can only let rooney go if we bring in top class replacement. and even then, selling him to chelsea could still be considered as suicidal.
Yep can't lose one of your top class players, especially too a rival and then just bank the cash. Got to re-invest. I honestly think part of the reason we let it go public was because we thought we'd have a top player to bring in like Fabregas. Then the power is all in our hands, we can wait for Chelsea to either bid his true worth or hang on to him without actually having to need him. Right now though he's still the second best player in the squad, we can't afford to let him go and not replace him with another star.
there are not many top strikers available on the market at this moment. and even with his blowing hot and cold habit, rooney is a rare top forward who is capable of playing as a number 9 or a number 10.
even if we sign fabregas or ozil i still think we need to retain rooney. rooney is more than capable of getting himself 30-40 goals+assists even when he is not at his best, like last season.
i say we can only let rooney go if we get cristiano ronaldo. but even then i still would not want to sell him to a direct premiership rival.
even if we sign fabregas or ozil i still think we need to retain rooney. rooney is more than capable of getting himself 30-40 goals+assists even when he is not at his best, like last season.
i say we can only let rooney go if we get cristiano ronaldo. but even then i still would not want to sell him to a direct premiership rival.
I swear to god, if he stays, he'd better never, EVER dare kiss the badge or any of that crap or I swear Ill shoot the fecker myself!
Nah that's a bit excessive for me, I'd happily swap Rooney for Ozil. Hernandez can easily come in and lead and Welbeck could make great strides in that area as well this season. Ozil/Fabregas wouldn't be able to get the same goals as Rooney could do playing up top but they can be better than him, certainly more creative in the number 10 spot, or in Fabregas's case he could be our new hub in a deeper role as well, perhaps getting more out of Kagawa in the hole than we would do now.
You misheard. They were chanting Booney.
Fair play to Sparky_, he's kept his silence during all this.
I can already feel the pressure returning and have that slight red blurring around the edge of my vision. Its not going to end well........
£40m cash is acceptable financially, if the payoff in terms of evolving the team and spirit is romising then all the better.
We have forwards willing able able to step up their game alongside RVP, and the style of Kagawa's play as a No 10 isn't exactly be the same as Rooney's were he to continue in the position, a time of change but not necessarily of decline.
It is not without an element of risk to ourselves in the short term albeit exaggerated, i mean how many points do people think Rooney will add to Chelsea's haul which Jose's management wouldn't have anyway?
I do wonder if there is a danger that we'd be spending the cash out of fear at this point, if Moyes had his way might he rather pick a target out properly between today and next summer if the side can challenge in the meantime.
We have forwards willing able able to step up their game alongside RVP, and the style of Kagawa's play as a No 10 isn't exactly be the same as Rooney's were he to continue in the position, a time of change but not necessarily of decline.
It is not without an element of risk to ourselves in the short term albeit exaggerated, i mean how many points do people think Rooney will add to Chelsea's haul which Jose's management wouldn't have anyway?
I do wonder if there is a danger that we'd be spending the cash out of fear at this point, if Moyes had his way might he rather pick a target out properly between today and next summer if the side can challenge in the meantime.
If he stays you my friend are getting thread banned.
I would expect nothing less Ive been waiting for it ever since I heard about that feature.The title is a bit misleading but he doesnt look happy, does he?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/s...oney-all-alone-throughout-man-uniteds-visit/?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/s...oney-all-alone-throughout-man-uniteds-visit/?
All you guys saying anything but sell him to Chelsea, what about if he creates a distraction to the team and becomes a dressing room problem, that can affect the team a lot more than selling him to Chelsea, buying a player or two and getting on with your season.
I think some look at it too narrow mindedly.
But its hard because at present its a lose/lose situation for United.
I think some look at it too narrow mindedly.
But its hard because at present its a lose/lose situation for United.
For the piss poor fees being discussed you wouldn't get anyone worth spit shining his boots never mind 2 of them.
That's the perspective of a man who's used to Chelsea's team dynamic. United's dressing room is absolutely rock solid, as ever. Both Carrick and Jones have already come out and said that Rooney and the other players are absolutely fine, he's still a welcome and popular figure in the dressing room etc etc. Rio has made comments suggesting the same thing.
And one of the reasons United's team dynamic is so excellent is to do with our attitude to losing and buying players. In general we always try to keep and build on what we have, there's less of a blasé attitude about selling someone and just 'buying a player or two' to replace them than somewhere like Chelsea or City.
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Would it be reading too much into this to see it directed at someone within the current Man Utd squad?
Its only lose-lose for those who wish to interpret it that way.
There were doomsayers when Abramovich arrived yet United adapted and recovered, the same occurred when Ruud left and again with Ronaldo.
The club can't do anything about the article which the vultures will write, although how many of them had previously predicted Fergie's and United's fall only to proven wrong.
Maybe he does not want to do that anymore? Love him or hate him the transfer request aside I don't think you can question Rooney's commitment to United's cause over the last nine years.
Im not saying its the fall of United, Im saying this particular case is lose lose.
It is his job, for which he has been more than well paid.
Also this idea that he's the only player on earth who is asked to play a different role is simply not true. Schweinsteiger didn't start his career as a centre midfielder but when he was asked to do it he didn't cry. Martinez has often been shunted between centre midfield and defence depending on who his manager is.
In fact, right now, our own Danny Welbeck is playing inside left which probably isn't his true position either.
Ok he doesn't want to do it anymore. Fair enough. He has 2 years left on his contract. If he buys himself out and he can leave. But frankly I dont see what his problem is after all when he came out on Saturday he was played as a number 10, which is not exactly an unusual position for him and more often than not where he has played over the past few years (and his career in the main).
Well, unless he decides (again) he's been misguided, stays, performs like a man with something to prove, and steers us to a 21st championship, then continues his form for England into the World Cup, and remarkably fires England to unexpected World Cup victory...
Then Manchester United, and indeed, everyone wins.
Apart from Mourinho... he definitely doesn't win in this scenario.
Don't think so. When September comes, if Rooney is still here, the situation only gets easier as the season goes on.
The logic of selling him to Chelsea simply isn't there. It doesn't help us, at all. So we won't. That's pretty much all you need to concern yourself with.
Where did I say anything about positions?
I am talking about his general attitude on the pitch where I have never had any complaints.
If United can push on without Rooney and he get a few extra goals for himself at Chelsea it will be more of a draw i think.
Alternatively if Rooney stays there can't be any acts of rebellion in the event that other forwards play instead of him [rotation being the norm], no instances where his professionalism can be questioned, at the first sign of trouble he should find himself banished to the reserves until he can finally be sold in the summer.
Of course that would be case of: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me; fool me thrice...shame on Steve Round for not giving Dave a slap to the head?
What is the position on player retirements? I assume there would be financial penalties, but could he theoretically "retire", and then do a Cantona and come back six months later at Chelsea?
If so, someone please pass this on to Paul Stretford.
If so, someone please pass this on to Paul Stretford.
I was pleasantly surprised with his performance Saturday. He did all you could ask of him in terms of his performance, the celebrations and all that don't really matter. I fully expected him to come on and look disinterested and not put in much effort like he's done plenty of times in the past but fair play to him. There really isn't any reason to slate him for the Swansea game.
I still want him gone, if the 40m offer from Chelsea is true I'd take it in a heartbeat. We need to get it done as soon as possible though if we're going to bring in a proper replacement.
I still want him gone, if the 40m offer from Chelsea is true I'd take it in a heartbeat. We need to get it done as soon as possible though if we're going to bring in a proper replacement.
We have the money to bring a top player in, it isn't dependent on selling Rooney.
So strengthening a team who will already be fierce rivals is sheer madness. Just ask Arsenal.
Chelsea can take their £40m bid and shove it up their own ass.
We won't sell him now, it's not like we've got any replacements lined up.
Or mine. As long as it's a cheque.
Why the feck do you care if it causes dressing room problems for us? First of all it wont, and even if it does what is bothering you?
Seeing our incompetency in the transfer window this year, do you really think we'd replace Rooney with someone worthwhile? There's also no one good enough who's available. We don't need the money and strengthening Chelsea to that extent is sheer madness.
We'd probably bid 5 million on each of the worlds top 8 strikers.
I dont think money is an issue for us right now. If we want to spend £30+ on a player we will. We dont need to sell Rooney to get the money to buy someone else. You are not looking at the big picture. RVP is the perfect example albeit Arsenal werent directly competing for the title when they sold him to us. We will be strengthening Chelsea and as it stands they dont need strengthening. This season will be hard enough without Ferguson. If he wants to leave, then lets find someone abroad. If not let him sit on the bench. We have the upper hand here since he has 24 months left on his contract.
And if we want to spend £100m+ in fee and salary on a certain Portuguese player next summer for example, where would that sort of money come from?
It really isn't, not unless you are drawing a similar comparison between what RVP left behind at Arsenal and what Rooney's successors would be at United.
Let's consider the respective state of affairs as we know them at present.
Arsenal in 2012: Olivier Giroud, Gervinho, Park Chu-Young and Podolski.
Man Utd in 2013: Robin van Persie, Javier Hernandez, Danny Welbeck and Kagawa.
I really just meant that we need to have a replacement in line if we are letting Rooney go, not that we need the 40m from Chelsea to do so. I can't imagine us letting Rooney go without almost immediately bringing in someone else so if we did have any plans on selling him I would imagine that is the hold up.
I really don't see Rooney going to Chelsea as the certain downfall of United's title hopes this season that some seem to see at as. Sure it will make Chelsea better but if we invest wisely we could end out being a better side as well. Like many have said though, the issue is of who we would be able to bring in. I personally don't think we'd need to add another striker if Rooney goes, we really need to get a partner for Carrick but as we've seen that apparently isn't an easy task.
Still, Rooney clearly doesn't want to be here and I'd rather see players that do (like Kagawa and Chicharito) given playing time than Rooney.
If he stays I hope he spends most of his time n the bench - don't want him playing in place of Kagawa and Hernandez.
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