I remember Andy Cole talking about Stretford a few years ago and he had no good things to say about him
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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He just wants another massive contract. I don't think he cares if that comes from United, Chelsea or another team. If he wanted to stay he could have easily said something over last few Months and stopped all the speculation. Submitting a transfer request would cost him and his agent a lot money. I'm hoping he kisses the badge as a form of apology or submits a transfer request, and United as a club has enough pride not to keep a player who does not want to be here, however good.
Anybody else concerned that the notion of Stan Collymore's mates being au fait with the Wind in the Willows rings untrue?
You haven't answered the question at all though. All you have done is speculated on what you think is happening. Which is precisely his and my point. Everyone is throwing their speculated train of thought on the events in there and telling us all they know what is going on.
You speculate on how he feels despite not knowing the player personally, that Chelsea don't want to be seen tapping up, saying that he can't be seen alienating fans (despite the opposite in not giving a feck to quash the rumor the other way), quoted the article on obvious ways to wum up a transfer, whether or not he was injured, then stated that nobody knows.
Tell me, how on earth can you not see there is only one set of fans here speculating and plain making things up to suit their argument?
To quote you yourself "we don't know as it's behind closed doors" so let's just see how it all plays out before making assumptions? If you want to believe that all that highly debatable evidence is happening then go ahead, it's a bit rich to be turning around telling people they are deluded or naive in the above circumstances.
Well, for me it started when Sir Alex Ferguson said on live television that he'd asked to leave.
Go on?....
Did Rooney not come out immediately to say that he wanted to stay?
A lot of truth in this theory I think. Chelsea would probably offer him 5 years with terms that at least match his salary at United. United are probably less enthused by that idea.
He said he didn't ask for a transfer request.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/10...er-David-Moyes-I-need-to-play-more-games.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...is-still-one-of-us-despite-transfer-saga.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...United-as-he-makes-play-for-Chelsea-move.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23336090 - THIS IS AS GOOD AS FACT
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...y-and-confused-at-manchester-united-treatment
I can tell you for a fact that the BBC cannot run a story unless they have two credible sources. The tealady at United doesn't count as one. You're talking players, coaches, agents etc. They can't run stories based on conjecture.
It's in spite of this that you seem to be putting your fingers in your ears and waiting for him to come out with a formal, written transfer request.
Even Paul Scholes, before it came from Fergie, said he did.
Also, note Neville's reaction. He wasn't surprised; he knew.
the BBC report makes a lot of sense. Rooney wants to either be the other striker or he wants to be ahead of RVP if we only play one striker. No decent manager is going to be dictated to by a player. I think if he is still here once the window closes, he may end up changing his attitude. Our away supporters(the true hard core fans) gave him a good reception. So fan acceptance is not going to be an issue. Or all this may be a ruse to get more money. Stretford would be winding him up for sure.
Keep reading this. I heard a few boos and nothing else. Anyone got any videos saying otherwise?
And ghali, can you tell me why even Paul Scholes said he wanted to leave?
So from that BBC article, what am I supposed to be taking as fact?
Wayne is Angry and Confused. Yep, got it - it was widely reported through various outlets but nobody actually said that I could see who told the press that. Probably (obviously) Stretford.
Moyes quote on Rooney's importance. Yep, agree and it was reported properly in this case. Saying that a player like Rooney is needed due to his ability and his stature within the club to be adequate back up for Van Persie.
Woodward not renewing any contracts at this stage. Yep, seems legit a direct quote saying he's not discussing contracts with Rooney or anyone at this stage. Hard ball stance saying that they are not afraid to run a contract down.
Speculation on what Rooney believes he has left to prove.. Okay.
Being left out of a number of key games.. Okay that's a bit of rich wum imo.
Mourinho made bids. Yep, that's pretty commonly reported.
Little wummy jab from Mourinho quoted. Yep, sounds like the sleezy journo flashing cnut.
Club monitoring the status of the player before offering a new deal. Yep, understandable. Of course in light of what happened in previously regarding his current deal.
Speculation on how Wayne feels and taking it further by saying it may come to a head.. Well, of course..
Honestly...? What did that really tell us though? Apart from "we know little bits of info and are filling in the blanks with speculation on what we believe is happening." The article is from a month ago and look where we are at today.
Get your hand off it and actually read what my stance on the matter is, I've made it perfectly clear.
In my books, he was deliberately underplaying the celebration, either because he'd look like a cnut celebrating the goals after agitating for a move, or because he just wants to get it over with. I think the situation can be salvaged, after all he has played for us for a long time.
So Moyes says that he needs Rooney if RVP gets injured (which, again, we know as a fact), and Rooney responds by saying that he's angry and confused. Why's he angry? What's he confused about? Why isn't this going straight to Moyes instead of the media?
Anyway, we're going round in circles here. I'm certain he wanted/wants to leave, you don't seem so, that's all there is.
Anyway, we're going round in circles here. I'm certain he wanted/wants to leave, you don't seem so, that's all there is.
When I watched the game live on the tele I was waiting for a pretty shit reception to be honest but they sang his name and cheered. Boos may have been interpreted as "Rooney Rooney". But it was generally pretty warm.
That's completely fine to be certain of it mate, I have no right to tell you otherwise. I was about to say the same thing anyway. It's all speculation and media here-say. I'm not certain he wants to leave and am not arguing that he want's to stay. I just can't make my mind up either way on so much cloudy paper columns. I've always said if he stays he stays and we'll get behind him. If he goes then it's a shame and good luck to him. I have no personal feelings here nor there for Wayne Rooney apart from as a player at United.
If it all happens and he leaves and writes a chilling letter detailing everything that happened I'll buy you an ePint and stick my fingers in my ears while you drink it and read it to me in a Shakespearean tone.
edit: How far in is the Rooney leaving stuff on that interview? I watched it a while back and I thought it was after Fergie broke the news of his retirement? (The interview, that is.) Unless Scholes said he knew or something?
Yes, any video of the match. There are chants of 'Rooney, Rooney, Rooney.'
No, the press reports that he's angry and confused. There's no 'Rooney responds' about it, despite your insistence on taking the 'Stretford told them to write it' conspiracy theory for granted. As you point out, Rooney's actual feelings almost certainly are going straight to Moyes, since it makes little sense for him to do anything else.
About nine minutes in. Neville talks about how ideal for Scholes it is that Fergie's retiring, then Scholes adds in that Rooney's transfer request makes it even better.
No, the BBC reports that he's angry and confused.
BBC said:
There was a lot of booing which was met by chanting his name.
For our glaliboy Rooney is a paragon of virtue holding his silence with admirable dignity and maintaining the highly professional summer regimen of many years. Wayne's loyalty has never been greater than at this moment, moreover he has the utmost respect for every single one of this teem mates at Manchester United.
Nothing whatever is amiss, no bids from Chelsea indeed the player has been grievously wounded by the very notion. These frequent insinuations in the press have left him stunned into silence for three months so enormous has been his horror.
Saint Paul Stretford dedicates himself to honest toil in the hope of bettering the conditions for footballers struck down by career ending injuries. He did send the Mirror and Daily Mail an angry letter telling them to stop but they would not not hear his pleas, bullies by the media he despises St Paul has withdrawn into seclusion spending his evenings sitting in a dim room nibbling on a rusk with only dreams to warm his soul.
From redemption to the knight Alex's betrayal, imagine what the great Bard could have made of this saga of woe.
Oh please excuse me, i fear i am overcome.
Nothing whatever is amiss, no bids from Chelsea indeed the player has been grievously wounded by the very notion. These frequent insinuations in the press have left him stunned into silence for three months so enormous has been his horror.
Saint Paul Stretford dedicates himself to honest toil in the hope of bettering the conditions for footballers struck down by career ending injuries. He did send the Mirror and Daily Mail an angry letter telling them to stop but they would not not hear his pleas, bullies by the media he despises St Paul has withdrawn into seclusion spending his evenings sitting in a dim room nibbling on a rusk with only dreams to warm his soul.
From redemption to the knight Alex's betrayal, imagine what the great Bard could have made of this saga of woe.
Oh please excuse me, i fear i am overcome.
For our glaliboy Rooney is a paragon of virtue , holding his silence with admirable dignity and maintaining the highly professional summer regimen of many years. Wayne's loyalty has never been greater than at this moment and he has the utmost respect for every single one of this teem mates.
Nothing whatever is amiss, no bids from Chelsea indeed the player has been grievously wounded by the very notion. These frequent insinuations in the press have left him stunned into silence for three months so enormous has been his horror.
Saint Paul Stretford dedicates himself to honest toil in the hope of bettering the conditions for footballers forced to take early retirement. He did send the Mirror and Daily Mail an angry letter telling them to stop but they would not not hear his pleas, bullies by the media he despises St Paul has withdrawn into seclusion spending his evenings sitting in a dim room nibbling on a rusk with only dreams to warm his soul.
From redemption to the knight Alex's betrayal, imagine what the great Bard could have made of this saga of woe.
Oh please excuse me, i fear i am overcome.
Saint Stretford. The prophet on high.For a "disillusioned plaayer wanting to leave", 2 assists in 30 minutes is a pretty good tally. I think last season's shunting around and dropping for the RM match are good reasons for him to be disillusioned in the first place.
Whatever happened in the past, I think it is best if Moyes and Rooney had a chat leading to his continued presence at OT.
Whatever happened in the past, I think it is best if Moyes and Rooney had a chat leading to his continued presence at OT.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it's a bit of a push to call his pass for RvP's second goal an assist.
Boo...urns. They're chanting Boo-urns.
But his off the ball movement after the pass was exemplary. He did race past and get into a scoring position in the box. I think he can still stay & shine here if he and Moyes could just talk directly and not through agents/media and others.
Welbeck also also made a good run I think, it's what footballers are supposed to do. It wasn't really much of an assist really. He generally did pretty well I thought.
On a more general note, I hope we don't have a situation where he stays and moyes constantly has this shit hanging over his head. He has enough to deal with in terms of expectations as it is. Wayne Rooney this Wayne Rooney that can't be good for the club as a whole.
Im really mindful of this. I tend to hope Rooney stays, in terms of thinking he is a great player and hoping there is a way to settle all the differences, but I really hope he doesnt end up being forced to stay and then being like a cancer to the spirit of the dressing room. Im not sure, if he doesnt get his way, he will be able to rise above it and just shut his mouth, take his chances and get on with it. Itll be complaints in the media every day when he doesnt start and more camera shots of his pissed off face on the bench than of the football whenever we play. Like the last six months of Tevez all over again.
Also we were the away team, you'd think that the majority in the crowd would've been less than happy to see United sub-on the club's fourth highest goal-scorer when they down 2-0 already.
He got a much better reception than I expected, which probably caused some hacks to re-write their articles for the Sunday rags.
Even though he put one foot in front of the other and made meters. It's hard to call that dart toward the box anything special.
So if the rumoured £40 million bid from Chelsea materialises this week, who thinks that the club will accept it?
If we can sign a couple of players he will be sold after the Chelsea game.
I don't think we should accept it. £50M should be the target, just what Roman spent on Torres.
Nope, sends an awful message if sell him to Chelsea.
I think the club will dig in, it's not what Rooney wants but feck him.
I'm not convinced that it does, mate. It would only appear as outrageous/a power shift/ a sign of weakness to those who are looking for those things. In reality, accepting such a bid might be a sign that the club's management believes (the current) Wayne Rooney to be overvalued by Chelsea, and the fee too good to turn down. It might actually be indicative of confidence in United's long-term prospects.
Only if we have someone to bring in ourselves. No point having the cash and not spending it. It it were a case of Rooney out for 40m Ozil in or something like that than if Rooney is set on leaving than fair enough. But if we're not gonna re-invest it this window then I'd hang on to him.
It depends on who the players are. I can't see us selling Rooney to Chelsea if the only players we sign this summer are Fellaini and Baines.
But then again, remember the first goal he scored himself after the first time he asked to leave? The penalty against Rangers. He milked that celebration and was desperate to get the fans back on his side.
I believe the difference is this time he actually wants to leave. I think it's clear he had no intention of leaving the first time.
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