Your underrating Wayne. He'd easily be the first choice striker there and probably be their best and main player, especially if he gets anywhere near to his best. Why would mourinho go after another striker when they'd have Torres, ba and Lukaku as reserve options. That's his competition but he's a much better player then all of them.
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Agreed, which is why we need to force Rooney to stay regardless of whether he's happy about it or not. Giving Chelsea a player who is easily capable of scoring 30 goals as a number 9 would be madness. I'd rather have Rooney sulkily playing in the hole for us (or off the bench) than happily and determinedly banging them in from the centre forward spot at Chelsea or any other English club.
Yup. Not only 30 goals, but a fit and motivated Rooney playing up top can go back to being up there with some of the best players in the world and score over 40 goals even. Chelsea would easily be favourites for the league if that happened, and we'd be very hard pressed to replace him.
Why did we go for RVP when we had Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck? It's not about underrating Rooney, I agree he would start as first choice, my point would be there will always be competition for spots and you have to respond to that, I expect Lukaku to do well there this season, if he takes his chances well then maybe Mourinho might adapt his team to fit them both in, maybe they'll also identify another striker at some point. Is Rooney gonna sulk again if that happens? That's all I'm saying, at the top clubs you have to respond to competition, last season was probably the first time Rooney has been playing below par and we've been in a position to drop him and when it happened he didn't/hasn't responded well. There's no reason to think he will get a free ride at Chelsea.
I know what you mean but unless they sell ba or Torres, then there would be no reason to bring someone else in. They'd have the world class option in Rooney, potentially world class in Lukaku, and then two solid rotation options in Torres and ba. They really wouldn't need anyone else, even for competition.
Ok but that's still a short term view, like I said what if Lukaku continues his progress and starts pushing for a first team spot, either Rooney is going to have to deal with it, whether that means playing alongside him or fighting for the spot or he can sulk. Ba is below the required level for me so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did bring in someone like Eto'o. And what about next summer? Again they might bring in a striker to improve the options, just because they can.
And then that assumes Rooney is performing to his best. There's no reason why he still might not be playing great. Everyone talks about Mourinho being a great man manager but it's not like Fergie was bad at it. Before we signed RVP he was getting the goals but it always felt he wasn't quite giving us everything that could. Maybe that would motivate Mourinho to bring someone else in as well in the future.
As I said if Rooney's problem has come from him receiving competition for his spot and not being able to deal with it then I still think he'll have problems whether its short term or long term because you have to be willing to fight for your spot.
Not reading too much into Rooney's demeanour yesterday. He did well, clearly did acknowledge the travelling support during his warm-up and was not the only player not to join in with goal celebrations.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-City-1-Manchester-United-4-match-report.html
It's clear Moyes has no intention of selling him - when the transfer window shuts and the penny finally drops, he'll have no option but to fall into line with his teammates and get on with his job properly. I think we'll see a turnaround in his attitude when he realises that Sir Alex is not casting the shadow everyone thought he would.
I'm looking forward to seeing him have a more productive season that the last one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-City-1-Manchester-United-4-match-report.html
It's clear Moyes has no intention of selling him - when the transfer window shuts and the penny finally drops, he'll have no option but to fall into line with his teammates and get on with his job properly. I think we'll see a turnaround in his attitude when he realises that Sir Alex is not casting the shadow everyone thought he would.
I'm looking forward to seeing him have a more productive season that the last one.
Rooney looked good when he came on and probably coming back fitter then usual has helped him. Rooneys obviously not going to be completely happy as he found himself on the bench but if he keeps the hunger, he'll win his place back and there's nothing Jose can say that'll make him want to go to Chelsea. His ego is probably hurt, it's not the end of the world. It's not like he has to win round the fans to a great degree. The supporters did the right thing and showed a common sense approach. I've no doubt the media are gutted by that.
We could afford to bring in RvP because we play 2 strikers up front anyway whereas Chelsea play just the 1 man up front so bringing in another striker after signing Rooney would be absolutely crazy.
Alas i have raised the issue before in regard to Rooney, last season in fact.
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For one how do you know what was said to Rooney on these occasions last season? Secondly, the manager might want to see reaction out of the player in a more competitive squad, his form certainly warranted a an improvement in standards.
Most importantly however, his commitment issues did not justify the sort of treatment which you are advocating.
When Sir Alex has Welbeck willing and able to step as required on big European nights or Kagawa recently purchased to provide something which Rooney cannot, you are in a position to do just that.
Yes Rooney did quite clearly clap the United fans during the warmup but obviously no one will mention that.
He didnt seem particularly effusive though, more a token acknowledgement
How would you know? You were at the game?
It quite clearly has been. Anyway, doesn't matter now as I've seen the full recording shown on Goals on Sunday this morning. Valencia didn't celebrate either.
The pic doesn't show Valencia because of the angle. Other than that it looks exactly like what I saw on the various highlights show. As you say it doesn't matter either way...
Valencia cheered when we scored that goal, he didn't go celebrate with the other lads, but he did for the other three goals. Rooney didn't celebrate either of the goals he was on the pitch for. Cropping Valencia out of that photo changes nothing at all.
That is exactly what it was.
On the celebrations issue, at the time I noticed it more from the view of the scorers not going over to Rooney, given that he provided the assists when I'd have expected an acknowledgement, but I may have had the article in mind from a few weeks back that was trying to stir things up between Rooney and the rest of the squad.
I remember when Ronaldo came back after the "slave" comments in 2008/09 and then didn't celebrate his first 4 or 5 goals.
He was shit that season and everyone hates him now, so probably wise to get rid innit.
He was shit that season and everyone hates him now, so probably wise to get rid innit.
He didn't only wave at the fans, he clapped back at them. Doesn't mean that much, but it's still worth mentioning.
Are you for real? I'm paranoid because we all know that Rooney wants to leave?!
YOU'RE ALL PARANOID LADS!
You genuinely are weirdly paranoid. Everything in the press is planted by big evil Stretford as part of some vast unknowable scheme, eh? And you're acting as if anyone who thinks the sports media are just making stuff up, as everyone knows they do, is naive?
Clapped the fans. What a dick.
No-one said it did.
If he shagged your mum but shook your dads hand afterwards, would he think he's a dick?
Probably just relieved he didn't get too bad a reaction.
Everyone knows the sports pages are full of made up stuff. But, unless you're either a bit of a simpleton, or utterly obtuse, you'll also know that they do get some stories right. Obviously it can be hard to discern which is which. I have no idea what Rooney actually wants, but it's readily apparent - from both the frequency and similarities between the stories themselves - that people are briefing the press - apparently on his behalf - that he wants to leave United and that Chelsea are his preferred destination.
No! Certain things have obviously been planted by Stretford. How do you not see this?
I'm not saying it all is, and I'm not saying it all isn't. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
The media do make things up from time to time. The media do do favours for agents in exchange for info from time to time, and the media do report the truth from time to time.
Just to clarify, you truly believe that Wayne Rooney has never asked to leave, and that every story you've seen or heard this summer has been made up by the media?
Help me out with this analogy... shagging my mum is providing two assists, right?
You keep posting incredulous questions like this, but you've yet to actually answer us: why do you think that Stretford planted those stories? It's naive not to believe something despite the evidence, but acting like something's a certainty when there's nothing to suggest it's true is just paranoia.
Well I presumed that you sarcastically called him a 'dick' in reference to people calling him names for wanting to leave again.
That post does sum up Rooney of the last two seasons. Stats look good on paper, nothing special in reality.
Certainly is...
Apologies, not noticed them.
Here's my view:
Wayne Rooney became increasingly disillusioned with life at United last season, as he started playing second fiddle to Robin van Persie, and even at times, Danny Welbeck. He was dropped for the biggest game in our season, and forced to sacrifice his game for the good of the team in the Bernabeu. He knows he could play a more pivotal role and possibly earn more money in a nice part of the world (the last part is subjective of course, but I guess he's thought that).
He mentioned this to Sir Alex, who interpreted it as him wanting to leave. All along we've said we will not sell him. Now, Chelsea can't be seen to be tapping up players, so they're reluctant to make official moves at him. Equally Rooney can't be seen further alienating fans by publically delcaring interest in moving there. At which point: Enter Stretford.
He releases info to certain journalists, who carry stories about Chelsea being interested and Rooney being set to move.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tricks-to-engineer-a-transfer.375490/
Just read that.
Feigning injury he could've done. Had two injuries meaning he played no pre-season games except one behind closed doors. Then said he was delighted to be selected for England ("I'M FIT!!!"). Of course, United could've just said he was injured. But why would we do that? He wants to stay, we want to keep him. Why are we making up injuries?
Make up newspaper stories. Speaks for itself.
Now, he could've actually done 10/11 of those, we don't know as it's behind closed doors.
I just find the evidence suggesting he wants to leave far, far more compelling than the evidence suggesting he wants to stay.
Now your turn. Do you really believe Rooney never wanted to leave, and the entire thing has been made up?
Why say 2 sentences when you can say a lot of crap in between
Is that like when Fabregas and his agent were briefing the press and us that he wanted to join us?
I thought the same. Rooney played a large part in setting up RVPs second goal. Robin didn't even look at Wayne as soon as he scored he wheeled away and celebrated with the other lads..
So do we think Rooney should be involved against Chelsea?. Will he be performing at his 100% abilities knowing its the club he apparently wants to move too?.
An "injury" wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not sure if I'd trust him against Chelsea after all that's gone on.
Look at this way, if he really wants to sign with them; and we play him - it won't do him any good to come across as shit and unreliable. He'll want to impress Mourinho, not put him off by giving a half hearted performance.
I can see Wayne playing harder in that fixture than any other game.
Let him score a hat trick against Chelsea, win us the game, then sell him to them
Not sure why people have compared Valencia with Rooney.
Tony has just lost one of his closest friends in the world just weeks ago(Chucho Benitez) so it's understandable if he didn't wanted to celebrate with the rest of the team.
Tony has just lost one of his closest friends in the world just weeks ago(Chucho Benitez) so it's understandable if he didn't wanted to celebrate with the rest of the team.
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