I liked that too. Rooney is in the position now of having to win back the team as well as the fans which is a pretty humbling situation to be in. Also I wonder if the players have a level of confidence in themselves if he isn't playing that maybe wasn't as high as before. That pre season tour has probably had a decent impact on them bonding as a group.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I liked that too. Rooney is in the position now of having to win back the team as well as the fans which is a pretty humbling situation to be in. Also I wonder if the players have a level of confidence in themselves if he isn't playing that maybe wasn't as high as before. That pre season tour has probably had a decent impact on them bonding as a group.
`He won't sulk for the season. Once the window closes and all this shit is off the table, he'll get his head down and get on with it. He'll respond well to the footballing challenge in front of him, will get on just fine with the lads and will have his sharpest season in 3 years.
Gary Neville in his first column of the season in the Daily Mail:
Rooney might be a bad loser but he doesn't want to play for us anymore. He was professional and did a decent job when he came on but for me, being there, it couldn't have been any clearer.
Rooney might be a bad loser but he doesn't want to play for us anymore. He was professional and did a decent job when he came on but for me, being there, it couldn't have been any clearer.
This is one epic thread and makes for excellent reading. I don't agree with much of what is said but the debate is great. I liked the newbie gf analogy. Roon is making a man of vigour and esteem of the club but in quite a modern facebook/social media kind of way. It's not that he's actually slept with Chelsea but there has been too much inappropriate chat going on - and his change of tone towards us is obvious. The compliments are well and truly a thing of the past, along with any potential shirt kissing and enthusiasm. The whole lack of celebration was so obviously for public consumption in its contrast to his usual reaction. It's sad. But hey, I'm spiteful enough to want to keep him. Oh yes, he can stay in this prickly, awkward relationship and put up with us not trusting him and needing signed affadavits every time he leaves the house. This is the price of being faithless and he will just have to suck it up while we remind him why this is the best club he could ever be wedded to.
It's ego. After a season spent as an after-thought to the media, the manager and the fans, it doesn't sit well with a the self-titled "big man". He clearly realises RVP is a superior player and the new darling of United, but by kicking up a fuss over his unrest, he has had people talking about him all summer when they otherwise wouldn't have. A high-profile move will promote him to star player status again, which is something he and his marketing team clearly prioritize.
He's probably not alone in this regard, though. I think if Bale were to begin upstaging Ronaldo at Real Madrid, Ronaldo would probably become mysteriously unhappy with something at the club.
I reckon Ronaldo would be a little annoyed but I think it would spur him on, if you think when Rooney joined us, at first it took some of the hype Ronaldo was getting away, Rooney was the guy going to carry the team etc, Ronaldo was still a great young player but I think for a season or so Rooney was held as the main talent and Ronaldo just got on with it and left Rooney trailing in his wake. Ronaldo has always responded to the challenge as can be seen how far he and Messi have pushed each other in terms of goals. Rooney sadly hasn't shown that which is disappointing.
It doesn't say much for him as a person if he allows jealousy of a better player to make him want to leave.
the travelling fans could not have been any kinder to rooney, they actually sang his name. i hope rooney started to realize that he needs to repay the fans here. if he has a problem last season it was between him and sir alex. sir alex was the one who dropped, substituted and played him out of position, even though the great scot was right to do so.
rooney should not have any problem with the club, the fans or his teammates. moyes is the new man in charge now. i don't see any reason why he should leave now.
rooney should not have any problem with the club, the fans or his teammates. moyes is the new man in charge now. i don't see any reason why he should leave now.
I don't think ego is an issue personally.
He just seems to be unhappy at the club for whatever reason and feels he needs a change of scenery.
He just seems to be unhappy at the club for whatever reason and feels he needs a change of scenery.
Surely any person who rejoins his squad saying " don't worry lads, the big man is back " ( or words to that effect ) must have an ego the size of Brazil?
Yeah I find his unhappiness baffling really.....almost all of the Fergie hierachy has changed, yeah Fergie still has an input, but Moyes is his own man, proven by the fact he happily dispatched alot of people for his own except players so far.
Doubt it's the players, from all accounts, he's very close with a few of the United players, Carrick, Cleverley etc etc, so he's not some kind of loner there longing to be his bezzie Ashley because no one likes them anywhere else. RVP still casually calls him Wazza too, so despite Rooney clearly showing some (professional) jealously, theres nothing serious between them.
Press will be over him twice as much in London too. It really is odd, don't think they'll give him any more chance of getting a second(and maybe more) CL medals than United do.
All just adds up to him wanting a 5 year extension on the same pay....takes him to what? 32, 33? Pretty shabby I guess.
Doubt it's the players, from all accounts, he's very close with a few of the United players, Carrick, Cleverley etc etc, so he's not some kind of loner there longing to be his bezzie Ashley because no one likes them anywhere else. RVP still casually calls him Wazza too, so despite Rooney clearly showing some (professional) jealously, theres nothing serious between them.
Press will be over him twice as much in London too. It really is odd, don't think they'll give him any more chance of getting a second(and maybe more) CL medals than United do.
All just adds up to him wanting a 5 year extension on the same pay....takes him to what? 32, 33? Pretty shabby I guess.
You never know how much is coming from his " staff " though, hes been very badly represented over the years. The libel issue with Moyes was ridiculous.
Not Rooney?Did he say that? Who to?
I read it in 2006 when he rejoined England
Maybe part of the problem is that he doesn't realise it and feels unjustly treated by Fergie and now Moyes. I'm sure he wasn't happy to play second fiddel to Ronaldo. After the latter left he managed to establish himself as the main forward at the club. With RvP's arrival the situation has changed again and he feels a bit humilated to be in RvP's shadow. He wants to be at a club where he is the main striker. Ironically, it was him who wasn't quite pleased with the quality of the players at the club.
A Google search reveals that you are correct (it was certainly reported at least). I can only hope he was joking.
He can't come to Chelsea now anyway. There's only room enough for one big man and it aint Wayne.
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With an ego like that he's pretty much ideal for Chelsea surely?!
What sort of person says it anyway? Bearing in mind ( if true ) he was about 21 at the time!
This thought struck me too :-)
I'd say that's an example of the fact that Rooney has a sense of humour rather than an inflated ego.
Thing is he's gonna either have to accept the competition or it's always gonna be a problem for him. With Mata, Hazard and Oscar he's got 3 players at Chelsea equally capable of challenging him for being the main man. Ronaldo didn't take Rooney's position, he was just so good at his own that it forced Rooney's role to adapt around Ronaldo and that could be the same if he goes to Chelsea imo. Any of those guys could become so good that Rooney again has to change his game.
I don't remember that one. Mind you it was when he was with England, and we all know the amount of twats that play for them, past and present.
A person who's made out to be an absolute hero in a team dubbed the "golden generation" says it.
I mean seriously, the hype to rush him back that summer was stupid. He shouldn't have even been at that world cup(hell probably even 2010)....yet alone start like 6 of the 8 games or something?
It was probably somewhat tongue in cheek though, going with the press.
I mean seriously, the hype to rush him back that summer was stupid. He shouldn't have even been at that world cup(hell probably even 2010)....yet alone start like 6 of the 8 games or something?
It was probably somewhat tongue in cheek though, going with the press.
And Rooney who said Van Persie was Man Utd's talisman (link).
The man is more difficult to understand than a Buddhist Koan...The picture wasn't cropped at all.
Well you could figure that out by counting the players in the celebration tbf.....
Planting stories and planting truthful stories aren't exactly the same thing. Every one of those stories has been portrayed in a way to make it look as if Rooney is being treated poorly by Utd and being forced out against his will.
That situation is pretty much also how RvP scored his 2nd too. A real goal from nothing, when a cushioned pass to play in Rooney as Rooney made a very good run seemed like the safer option. RvP still called him "Wazza" in the post match, and he's said that he really hopes he stays, so I'm sure he doesn't have any ill feeling. Robin seems too professional for that.
Perhaps Wayne just needs to mend some fences. The rest of the team probably thinks he's a right prick.
Cringe.
I don't care. I was reading some of the comments - and some of you just confuse the shit out of me. Apart from celebrating, there was nothing wrong at all with his performance and people still found the need to find pointless critisism about his game. It's just petty.
That's a much better post. Questioning the reaction aside from the celebrations is fair, it's just you made it sound like Wayne went out of his way and privileged us by doing what he is contracted to do, and what any other top player in the world would do in his position. It's like you seemed to expect him to come on and start playing crossbar challenge or something.
Well I apologise if that's what it seemed like. Wasn't my aim. It's just, I don't think anyone expected him to do as well as he did when he came on - well I certainly didn't. And yet some cnuts still feel they need to nitpick.
I am glad the traveling fans gave him a good reception. The sooner he realises United is the team to be at, the better.
That's a good point and although it is very early on in the season, we do seem to have a great team spirit and Rooney's antics aren't going to affect that. I think it was that banned Chelsea muppet TheRisingSun who claimed Mourinho had devised some master mind game plan to unsettle our squad, complete rubbish of course.
I know, I was probably clutching at straws with that previous post of mine.
They aren't strikers though. I think that Mourinho has promised him to be the main striker at Chelsea. Other than that I agree with your comment.
True but then they have Lukaku knocking on the door and something tells me if another striker becomes available either this window or next they'll bring them in, the best clubs always have competition for spots and I would expect it to be no different at Chelsea. That's what Rooney doesn't seem willing to deal with, that his place isn't guaranteed.
Mourinho is a clever manager. If he did bring in Rooney, he would make him feel loved and get the best out of him. Why would he invest in another striker afterwards when he could improve weaker areas of his team e.g. defence.
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