When did he say this?
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When did he say this?
I'm not convinced Chelsea are willing to spend that much on him. They don't seem to be chucking cash around like they used to and their opening bid was not that hard to refuse.
What? His agent would only allow his marketability to get damaged if he was looking for a move? Jeez, MJJ and Steve are wrong but at least they make sense!Like? Most media normally make up transfer rumors due to the fact that football has become an entertainment business and they try to glamourize it more and more. Most of the reports about players and clubs are true if we ignore all the random transfer speculation.
First, there isn't a club in the world that's going to offer us £50M for Rooney, or even close to that. And B, even if Chelsea offered that much, I still see no value (let alone any upside) in getting rid of him to one of our biggest challengers to the league.
They get a cracking footballer with a likely chip on his shoulder towards us, whilst we get money that we may or may not use to try and find a like replacement. Something we haven't necessarily been very good at during this transfer window (see Thiago, see Fabregas).
Ayee, can see what you are saying.
I think we're at an important point though in the devlopment of Welbeck, Chich, Zaha and even Kagawa (only 24). All four of them could be world class so I don't see the need for another striker - centre midfield is much more important right now because its such a weak point.
I honestly think our attack without Wayne would be fine, might take a bit of faith in the youngsters but our club has never had a problem with that.
I have no idea what you are suggesting is worthy of ridicule here. You think that his agent would allow his client to become less marketable, for no reason? You think there is another reason?
How exactly has Wayne Rooney's silence on the reports that he wants to leave/go to Chelsea dignified?!
Regardless, the fans today clapped and chanted his name when he came on... so not really sure why Rooney should be irked by them...
Rooney took the calculated decision to act how he did today - he wasn't pissed off with the world when he played for England on Wednesday afterall.
What they try and do is write whatever will sell papers or get hits. That means transfer rumours, and it means Rooney drama, and it means a whole host of other things too. You want an example? I'm going to keep mentioning the Thiago one until someone actually presents me with a counter-argument: almost every paper in the country had the signing as 'imminent' (or complete, in some cases), only for the player to confirm that we were never actually in for him at all. Smoke without fire. That is just one of a million different sports rumours - many transfer-related, but not all - that turns out to be completely made up.
If we had quotes from Wayne Rooney stating in plain language that he doesn't wish to leave Manchester United and on the contrary desires to stay at Old Trafford [which i do nto recall from this summer], this sitautiion wouldn't be what it is today.
I agree with you on this, we would be fine. We have players to deal with the loss of Rooney. My only worry would be how much he'd strengthen Chelsea. If he was going abroad I'd gladly forget all about him. As much as I think people are being a bit daft, and over analysing every little thing, I'm getting a bit fed up of the whole thing. If he stays, fine. If he goes, fine. I'd just rather it was put to bed so we can get on with the season one way or the other, and stop talking about him.
You said 'he could just as easily maintain his position and not be a cock.' He tried doing that - he said he'd never asked to leave, and then kept his peace despite the press completely ignoring his statement and instigating a massive saga, including a lot of completely unsourced snuff pieces about how 'unhappy and confused' he was. That silence - by 'dignified', I was referring to the 'not being a cock' bit of your post - achieved feck all, because you guys swallowed all the media crap anyway.
Basically, stop being so fecking credulous. Particularly, stop being so selectively credulous when it comes to stuff about what an ungrateful bad boy Rooney is. That's the long and short of it. And now I'm off to bed.
I didn't say he said he didn't want to leave, I said he said he didn't ask to leave. There is a difference.
His father says that he came close to joining us while he denies it. Have no idea whats going on there but I think its obvious we had some interest in signing him, similarly with fabregas. Why him and his father have different stories I dont know, maybe translation error? You believe the bale story, saurez story but not rooney's? Why because he is our player.
Given his track record, I would be more inclined to believe that he wants out than your version of the story.
Ahun, as long as get the right player in midfield I will be extremely satisfied with this transfer window. Everything else is just luxury right now, it would be nice to have another worldclass talent to replace rooney but not really neccesary and we can easily survive without him.Plus hopefully in a season or two,one of will keane, januzaj, wilson would have filled that space in our squad.
Right, because there have obviously been massive road blocks and all sorts of reasons why Wayne Rooney has been unable to say that he "Doesn't want to leave" or "is happy to remain at the club" or at the very least "will give 100% if picked" ... you know, statements that all high-profile players make when there is heavy speculation surrounding their future.
Has Rooney not been able to right the worngs of these "snuff-peices" as you so call them. If not, why not?
Frankly, you know feck all of what I choose to believe or not... Here's what I know... Fact a) There has been heavy speculation about Rooney's future, and the fact that he doesn't want to be at the club. Fact b) Rooney has said nothing to dispell this rumours... now why is that? Now it would be really easy to be naive and say "well he doesn't have too" or something daft like that, but that's not how football works these days. If anyone is being selective, it's you.
On a lighter note, here's KeaneSixteen from the Newbs' Forum with a RAWKesque effort:
KeaneSixteen said:
That is superb! Can't beat a good GF analogy.On a lighter note, here's KeaneSixteen from the Newbs' Forum with a RAWKesque effort:
Almost, he needed atleast one allusion to all the trophies we have won with him.Who said I believe the Bale and Suarez stories? I believe the bits of those stories that come out of the mouths of the people actually involved. Nothing in the Rooney story comes from the player or manager themselves, except Rooney's denial of asking to leave and Moyes' saying repeatedly that he's not for sale and that his attitude in training is excellent.
I'd probably have used the right version of 'to, too, two' if I were to say that, but yeah, he doesn't really have to.
Agreed. They are over stated anyway ... after the game, he stayed on the pitch, shook the opposition players and referee's hands etc, indeed, some United players left the pitch before he did. Any criticism for his perceived lack of emotional involvement with our team today is off the mark. Actually I was impressed by his professionalism. He 's clearly not yet match fit, yet he still made an impact and significantly influenced the final score.
I'd probably have used the right version of 'to, too, two' if I were to say that, but yeah, he doesn't really have to.
Stop tearing my argument apart damnit.
But yeah, in an era of agents and easy routes to press, putting out a statement would be a peice of piss for Rooney. He probably wouldn't have to lift a finger I imagine... and yet he's obviously and purposefully chosen not to bother.
I don't know what this is about, but Nev, you're naive (or just uninformed) if you don't think Stretford's not leaked anything to the press. One story in particular reeked of Stretford. It was Neil Ashton(? Him who does Sunday Supplement) who doesn't write about United, got sent something by him. It was so blatantly obvious. Not to mention it's exactly how agents operate.
Of course you can't know if anything's been leaked, but we're as sure as you can be without them actually telling you.
His beard is mediocre.
You're not confusing claims that he didn't submit a written transfer request with those of Fergie's that he asked to leave are you?
In all of the articles i remember reading the denials were typically made with that specific qualifier.
I'm far from naïve, sonny.
... I'll give you that.
Yep. The FACTS Rooney's discontent since it emerged: When SAF announced that there were commitment problems with Rooney on his last day at the club, he was forthright in the club position that it would not sell Rooney. That opinion has been publicly restated several times by our new manager and CEO, neither have we heard even an inkling of a rumour that the club will entertain selling him under any circumstances whatsoever. And yet many leading gossip mongers stated over the summer that Rooney had played his last match in a Manchester United jersey ... and yet there he was today in our no 10 shirt setting up goals and busting a gut.
Im beginning to think this is a complete no story. The club made its decision immediately and nothing has changed since, no matter what disruptive circumstances Rooney and his advisors try and crtae in the background. Its looking more and more likely that its only Rooney who will have to recalibrate his desires this summer.
By that I meant that they both want to leave which is being reported in the media. Havent kept up to date with the latest rumor in both cases as these sagas bore me and everything becomes too much like a soap opera the longer it goes on.
Again, you have the article I posted earlier, the article from savage on how to get a transfer and the article someone posted on how modern day transfers are conducted. The media is increasingly being used as a tool to engineer transfers and its not as simple as stating that everything in the media is a lie. Most is but just employ a bit of common sense.
Personally I think united should keep him for this season as even a half arsed rooney is worth the extra 5-10m that we would lose in transfer fee if we decide to sell him next year, and thats believing that his attitude wont improve which I doubt. It will be annoying if he decides to sulk his way through out the season but doubt that would be the case. Sell him next season when there will be less pressure on moyes(hopefully) and we would have ronaldo as well
Anyway am off to sleep. You are perfectly entitled to believe in him and it would probably be easier for you if he does sign a new contract and starts behaving properly. As long as this saga ends one way or the other, am happy. Have already too much drama at home and work and really dont want something similar happening with united.
The ones I've read seemed to suggest he hasn't asked to leave, but had asked clarification of his position and whether he was seen as important within the team. There was of course the article that suggested he wanted United to publicly acknowledge that he never actually asked to leave.
Who was that story planted by?
Then why are you refusing to accept the overwhelming probability that Rooney/Stretford have placed stories in the papers? That has happened.
I don't know about that. Not celebrating any of our goals (both on the bench and on the pitch) or even congratulating the goalscorer (when was the last time you saw the assist maker not celebrate a non-losing goal?!) with a simple high-five or pat on the back or what not... and not clapping the travelling support (which gave him a good reception it must be said) despite the rest of our players doing so? It's not normal behaviour I would say.
That and I swear I recall a number of mini-strops when a pass to him wasn't good enough or didn't come to him at all... though I suppose you could put that down to general annoyance.
It might have happened. I stand by what I've said, Rooney hasn't said anything publicly and we have no idea which stories, if any, have been planted. This is the problem with the British media, they make up so much shit that you can't take anything you read at face value. Unless you believe every single story about Rooney has been planted by Stretford, how can you tell the genuine plants from the made up bullshit?
I'll ask this again, no one has answered yet. Why are the other players (at least two outfield players) who didn't celebrate with RVP not having their professionalism questioned? Where were they?
Stop tearing my argument apart damnit.
But yeah, in an era of agents and easy routes to press, putting out a statement would be a peice of piss for Rooney. He probably wouldn't have to lift a finger I imagine... and yet he's obviously and purposefully chosen not to bother.
He's chosen not to bother because his position within the club is unclear. I'm not sure the club want to keep him, no matter what official statements they come up with. He could come out and say he wants to stay and will not be leaving, end of story but he's not sure the club wouldn't accept a bid for him. Then He'd look like a cnut.
He could come out and say he's leaving, end of story and the club could stand firm and make him run his contract down, out of spite. Then he'd look like a cnut. So he's better off saying nothing at all. Then again, saying nothing makes him look like a cnut, so he's damned if does and damned if he doesn't.
Until such time as either he or the club announces he will be leaving, he's still a United player and as such will receive my full support.
Wayne Rooney has always celebrated our goals until now. It's obvious the lack of celebration was intentional and not worth giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Which two outfield players were they? And when was the last time you saw an assist maker not celebrate a goal?
Also, whats changed for Rooney since Wednesday night?
I'd have to see them first although i think the rumours of such demands came around the same time as those of a public apology by the club, a request with the end result of embarrassing Fergie could also serve as a tactic to make his remaining at OT seem less appealing [if true].
Had he so wished Rooney could have at any time this summer released a statement explaining away the disagreement with SAF, it took place weeks before the end of the season and the manager revealing the state of affairs too. There has never been a suggestion that either party attempted to clear the air then or afterward, presumably both were content with how matters stood.
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