Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

[Revan]

Not that it really interests any of you but i had to leave for for dinner twenty minute before the end of the match, and as a result missed most of Rooney's time on the pitch. I did have some text commentary read to me mind you and one of the possible questions is whether an existing player or likely purchase could replace such assists? I do believe that we could but that's JMO of course.

Any player with two legs could had made that assist to RVP, while the second assist was better and set Welbeck in a good chance to score but nothing special or how we like to say a bit of magic.

 

[Ramshock]

Sarcasm. See rest of argument.

Good.

 

[DOTA]

Not that it really interests any of you but i had to leave for for dinner twenty minute before the end of the match, and as a result missed most of Rooney's time on the pitch. I did have some text commentary read to me mind you and one of the possible questions is whether an existing player or likely purchase could replace such assists? I do believe that we could but that's JMO of course.

I wasn't aware of this lack of celebrating until reeding the Caf a moment ago, unless eh ash fallen out with the specific player concerned why can't he damn well front up and ask for a transfer?

His agent will be well aware that, if he publicly states a desire to leave, he would realistically have to hand in a written transfer request. If he has to do that, he will not get the money he would if he could secure a move without a written request.

 

[The Neviller]

Exactly. No-one was expecting him to kiss the badge, lie us how much he loves United and play without wages. Just to act like other normal professional players acted there.

What about the other professional football players who didn't celebrate with RVP? Why is Rooney being held to a different standard to them? Even allowing for De Gea being a goalkeeper and not likely to run to celebrate, there are at least two other players not in that huddle. Where are the threads criticising their lack of team work and professionalism?

 

[MJJ]

He's said nothing on the issue. Suarez, as an example, has acted unprofessionally, gobbing off about promises being broken and wanting to leave. Rooney has said nothing, has got on with his job which is to play football. That's it. I don't go to work every day full of the joys, pat all my work mates on the back and tell them how wonderfully they've done. I do my job though, professionally, because its what I'm paid to do. Today, Rooney did what he is paid to do.

You didnt read the article did you? Rooney might have stayed quiet but his mouthpiece has been using every single media outlet to make his feelings known. And the stunt today was probably for the same cause.

Everyone has had bad days but if I went to work and instead of celebrating/acknowledging a milestone achieved acted like I had rather be anywhere else and showed that I am not part of the same team, am guessing I would not go far in the company. Its the same with rooney, you have social responsibilities as well as your normal responsibility. You cant just ignore one specially if you have been making your feelings regarding the company well known.

Although what one person wrote seems reasonable to me, that he might just be feeling alienated from the rest of the group due to his behavior.

 

[Brightonian]

If so, great, good for you... personally I prefer my football with passion, and a sense that these players want to win this game for the bloke next to them and the guy in the stand,

Of course I want that in general. And for the vast majority of a great career with us, Rooney has been the very epitome of that, something you lot are far too quick to forget.

Now he's in a dispute with the club over whether he wants to leave or not and whether they're willing to sell him or not (bearing in mind that the only thing he's officially said in the entire time was that he never asked to leave but merely sought reassurance about his importance to the team, and that Moyes has repeatedly insisted that Rooney's attitude in training has been good). It's simply the case in modern football that in circumstances like these, footballers sometimes throw strops. That's what Rooney is doing. It's temporary. Once the transfer window closes and the media and fans let him alone to play football for a bit again, it'll all be over and I'm sure he'll be scoring goals and blowing kisses to the fans left right and centre. So no, I'm not particularly bothered by it.

 

[surf]

No issues with his performance or body language today. Understated but effective is fine with me. I'm just glad Moyes gave him half an hour. It will be interesting to see whether and how he plays in the next game against Chelsea of all teams.

 

[The Neviller]

Any player with two legs could had made that assist to RVP, while the second assist was better and set Welbeck in a good chance to score but nothing special or how we like to say a bit of magic.

This is the crux though. If RVP had assisted the second goal it would've been considered a great through ball. with Rooney, now, its just nothing special.

 

[SteveJ]

Mr Moyes: "When you cross that white line it is very difficult not to be committed. Lots of people are judging you. When you cross that white line it is up to you. I thought he [Rooney] was incredibly committed for the team and helped set up two goals."

 

[Theon]

I did have some text commentary read to me mind you and one of the possible questions is whether an existing player or likely purchase could replace such assists? I do believe that we could but that's JMO of course.

Definitely

 

[Brightonian]

You didnt read the article did you? Rooney might have stayed quiet but his mouthpiece has been using every single media outlet to make his feelings known. And the stunt today was probably for the same cause.

According to paranoid schizophrenics everywhere. The only thing Rooney has officially said is that he never actually asked to leave, but simply sought reassurances about his place in the team. Why does everyone acknowledge that the sports media make up crap all the time but forget it as soon as Rooney's involved?

Mr Moyes: "When you cross that white line it is very difficult not to be committed. Lots of people are judging you. When you cross that white line it is up to you. I thought he [Rooney] was incredibly committed for the team and helped set up two goals."

The man who actually knows things about the player and the situation speaks sense. Unless this is just a cunning ploy to try and get Real Madrid to put in a bid for him, amirite?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Of course I want that in general. And for the vast majority of a great career with us, Rooney has been the very epitome of that, something you lot are far too quick to forget.

Now he's in a dispute with the club over whether he wants to leave or not and whether they're willing to sell him or not (bearing in mind that the only thing he's officially said in the entire time was that he never asked to leave but merely sought reassurance about his importance to the team, and that Moyes has repeatedly insisted that Rooney's attitude in training has been good). It's simply the case in modern football that in circumstances like these, footballers sometimes throw strops. That's what Rooney is doing. It's temporary. Once the transfer window closes and the media and fans let him alone to play football for a bit again, it'll all be over and I'm sure he'll be scoring goals and blowing kisses to the fans left right and centre. So no, I'm not particularly bothered by it.

Indeed he is, and that's what I find petty and pathetic. He's acting out to prove some sort of point/make a statement... he could just as easily maintain his position and not act like a cock.

 

[The Neviller]

You didnt read the article did you? Rooney might have stayed quiet but his mouthpiece has been using every single media outlet to make his feelings known. And the stunt today was probably for the same cause.

Everyone has had bad days but if I went to work and instead of celebrating/acknowledging a milestone achieved acted like I had rather be anywhere else and showed that I am not part of the same team, am guessing I would not go far in the company. Its the same with rooney, you have social responsibilities as well as your normal responsibility. You cant just ignore one specially if you have been making your feelings regarding the company well known.

Although what one person wrote seems reasonable to me, that he might just be feeling alienated from the rest of the group due to his behavior.

I've read most of the stuff in tomorrows papers. I read the stuff that had us certainly signing this player, and that player also, and all the other articles with conjecture and lies, written by the same people.

So many people are convinced all these stories are planted, as if the British press are the epitome of virtue, and would never stick in a bullshit story about the biggest talking point in English football to sell papers.

 

[MJJ]

According to paranoid schizophrenics everywhere. The only thing Rooney has officially said is that he never actually asked to leave, but simply sought reassurances about his place in the team. Why does everyone acknowledge that the sports media make up crap all the time but forget it as soon as Rooney's involved?

So why are there no rumors regarding any other player? See the savage article about ways to get transfer, see the guardian articles earlier. Read about how modern transfers are done(I think you posted that article not sure). Has he still not gotten any reassurances? If he wants to stay he can easily come out and say it. But he hasnt and taking into account his track record I would rather believe the media on this. You have had chelsea confirmed that they bid for him and want to sign him. Do you think they would have done this without any interest from rooney?

Its the same situation as with anderson. It was plainly obvious that he was overweight but we had people here swearing that he is big boned and united wont stand for it until he himself admitted it. Denying the truth is just as bad as being paranoid.

 

[DOTA]

According to paranoid schizophrenics everywhere. The only thing Rooney has officially said is that he never actually asked to leave, but simply sought reassurances about his place in the team. Why does everyone acknowledge that the sports media make up crap all the time but forget it as soon as Rooney's involved?

Because it is not believable that a player of his status would allow the media's reporting to portray things the way the have, were it not that they were comfortable with them. He could've released a statement, at any point, disputing the coverage. He has not. It seems quite likely that this is because the coverage is accurate and the reason it is accurate is because it is coming from Rooney's camp.

 

[Red Dreams]

Chelsea upping the bid to 40 million it seems. I think if it gets to 45 million, we will sell him.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/wayne-rooney-transfer-chelsea-make-2180836

 

[The Neviller]

His agent will be well aware that, if he publicly states a desire to leave, he would realistically have to hand in a written transfer request. If he has to do that, he will not get the money he would if he could secure a move without a written request.

Someone posted an article somewhere that pretty much refuted this as being true, and said that a written transfer request doesn't affect a player much, if at all, in terms of the money they'd be due.

 

[Brightonian]

Indeed he is, and that's what I find petty and pathetic. He's acting out to prove some sort of point/make a statement... he could just as easily maintain his position and not act like a cock.

Like he has all summer until now, you mean? Because the fans have really responded to that - they've just decided that his one official statement is a lie, and that every made-up story in the tabloids about his 'frame of mind' is being leaked by his agent in some sort of nefarious scheme beyond our comprehension. Attempting dignified silence has done feck all for him, so I'm not surprised he's feeling a bit pissed off with the world.

 

[Theon]

Can't believe anyone actually thinks he doesn't want to leave

If all of these rumours were bollocks he would have come out straight away and said so.

His attitude today was poor, and I'm not even talking about celebrating Welbeck and RVP's goal.

 

[Widnes]

I think we should make them at least match what they paid for Torres, after all players like Falcao & Cavani are going for that amount & them sales wasn't made between rival clubs.

 

[Theon]

Someone posted an article somewhere that pretty much refuted this as being true, and said that a written transfer request doesn't affect a player much, if at all, in terms of the money they'd be due.

That's not true, generally it means you are giving up a selling on fee

 

[The Neviller]

So why are there no rumors regarding any other player? See the savage article about ways to get transfer, see the guardian articles earlier. Read about how modern transfers are done(I think you posted that article not sure). Has he still not gotten any reassurances? If he wants to stay he can easily come out and say it. But he hasnt and taking into account his track record I would rather believe the media on this. You have had chelsea confirmed that they bid for him and want to sign him. Do you think they would have done this without any interest from rooney?

Its the same situation as with anderson. It was plainly obvious that he was overweight but we had people here swearing that he is big boned and united wont stand for it until he himself admitted it. Denying the truth is just as bad as being paranoid.

We bid for Fabregas without any basis. Apparently.

 

[MJJ]

I've read most of the stuff in tomorrows papers. I read the stuff that had us certainly signing this player, and that player also, and all the other articles with conjecture and lies, written by the same people.

So many people are convinced all these stories are planted, as if the British press are the epitome of virtue, and would never stick in a bullshit story about the biggest talking point in English football to sell papers.

Why plant a story when there is already an interesting story unfolding with plenty of material to use and recycle. The three biggest transfer sagas have been of suarez,bale and rooney. Yet the british press is making up stories in rooney case only, how hard is it for him to deny the allegations then? Fabregas did it, so why cant he?

 

[Brightonian]

Because it is not believable that a player of his status would allow the media's reporting to portray things the way the have, were it not that they were comfortable with them. He could've released a statement, at any point, disputing the coverage.

He did. He said publicly that he never asked to leave, but simply sought assurances about his place in the team. You all decided he was a liar, based on nothing at all.

 

[DOTA]

Someone posted an article somewhere that pretty much refuted this as being true, and said that a written transfer request doesn't affect a player much, if at all, in terms of the money they'd be due.

Really? I'm at a loss as to why players seem so unwilling to submit them, if that is the case.

 

[MJJ]

We bid for Fabregas without any basis. Apparently.

Do you believe that? If not they why bring it up? Using the stupidity of others to make a point doesnt make it any more valid.

 

[Theon]

Chelsea upping the bid to 40 million it seems. I think if it gets to 45 million, we will sell him.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/wayne-rooney-transfer-chelsea-make-2180836

That's more like it, doubt its true though as it seems a pretty big leap from the £25m or whatever they offered before. I'd probably accept £40m and hopefully we'll put it towards an increased bid for Fabregas

 

[SteveJ]

According to paranoid schizophrenics everywhere. The only thing Rooney has officially said is that he never actually asked to leave, but simply sought reassurances about his place in the team. Why does everyone acknowledge that the sports media make up crap all the time but forget it as soon as Rooney's involved?

Because we're being asked to forego common sense & blithely accept that the recent swathe of pro-Rooney articles have nothing to do with the player & his camp, despite at least three mainstream journalists publicly stating that said camp has been 'feeding' the press.

Far from paranoid schizophrenia, the criticism of Rooney by some fans is founded on the balance of probabilities. Carry on defending a player who, according to SAF & others, once wanted to go to City (of all clubs) and is now looking to go to Chelsea; why on earth would any genuine United fan take Rooney's side in this matter?

 

[MJJ]

That's more like it, doubt its true though as it seems a pretty big leap from the £25m or whatever they offered before. I'd probably accept £40m and hopefully we'll put it towards an increased bid for Fabregas

Still think we should do a player exchange from them. Its the height of stupidity to strengthen their squad at this point of the season while not leaving adequate time for us to get a player in.

 

[Red Dreams]

That's more like it, doubt its true though as it seems a pretty big leap from the £25m or whatever they offered before. I'd probably accept £40m and hopefully we'll put it towards an increased bid for Fabregas

we should get at least 50 million for him. But he wants out and I am not sure what his attitude would be this season if he does stay. So the club will sell him I think.

 

[The Neviller]

That's not true

It came from a legal expert of some sort, with knowledge of the subject. I can't be arsed finding it, but I'm pretty sure it was in this thread.

You clearly know more about the internal working of footballing contracts, though, so thanks for putting it straight with three words and no explanation.

 

[Theon]

Still think we should do a player exchange from them. Its the height of stupidity to strengthen their squad at this point of the season while not leaving adequate time for us to get a player in.

There is plenty of time to get someone in, Moyes has said that he already has his targets so its just a case of agreeing a fee.

If we added £40million to the budget and freed up £10million per year in wages that would help us get our deals done. I'm not really talking about Fabregas because it seems really unlikely, but there are plenty of players that would impove us.

 

[Brightonian]

Its the same situation as with anderson. It was plainly obvious that he was overweight but we had people here swearing that he is big boned and united wont stand for it until he himself admitted it. Denying the truth is just as bad as being paranoid.

As if we needed any more proof, this shows that you don't have a clue what you're on about. There are actual photos of him (from his twitter and when lifting his shirt up during a match) that show he's completely ripped, with a tight six-pack.

This is what I'm talking about. There are too many people who get an idea in their heads and won't let it go regardless of the evidence set before them. Rooney tried issuing a statement explaining that he didn't ask to leave. Both the fans and the media ignored it. The latter started making up rumours, and the former swallowed them whole.

 

[SteveJ]

Oh, and the "media making things up" stance smacks of The Suarez-RAWK Defence.

 

[Theon]

It came from a legal expert of some sort, with knowledge of the subject. I can't be arsed finding it, but I'm pretty sure it was in this thread.

You clearly know more about the internal working of footballing contracts, though, so thanks for putting it straight with three words and no explanation.

Ayee, in contrast to the expert explanation of yourself "Ermm it's in the thread somewhere I think"

 

[The Neviller]

Why plant a story when there is already an interesting story unfolding with plenty of material to use and recycle. The three biggest transfer sagas have been of suarez,bale and rooney. Yet the british press is making up stories in rooney case only, how hard is it for him to deny the allegations then? Fabregas did it, so why cant he?

Didn't they make up fees agreed for Bale? He's signed for Madrid about 8 times already, for a variety of fees. Rooneys wages also rise every week, apparently.

Yes, Rooney is already a story, but the press ramp things up because idiots gobble it up and pay for the privilege. "United insiders" or "sources close to the player" seem to say a lot of things to reporters.

 

[Red Dreams]

what I remember from previous such dealings is, if a player hands in a written transfer request, he forgoes bonus and other monies. That is why he he has stressed he did not ask for a transfer. But Sir Alex correctly has stated that Rooney does not want to play for us anymore.

 

[The Neviller]

Oh, and the "media making things up" stance smacks of The Suarez-RAWK Defence.

Whereas the "its in the papers, had to come from Rooney" stance is perfectly justifiable.

 

[Theon]

what I remember from previous such dealings is, if a player hands in a written transfer request, he forgoes bonus and other monies. That is why he he has stressed he did not ask for a transfer. But Sir Alex correctly has stated that Rooney does not want to play for us anymore.

Nah that doesn't happen mate, TheNeviller thought he read something in the thread so it can't be true

 

[MJJ]

There is plenty of time to get someone in, Moyes has said that he already has his targets so its just a case of agreeing a fee.

If we added £40million to the budget and freed up £10million per year in wages that would help us get our deals done. I'm not really talking about Fabregas but it seems really unlikely, but there are plenty of players that would impove us.

We would need a marquee signing to replace rooney though and with the season starting in all the major leagues I doubt any team would be that happy to deplete their squad that way.And even if they did, we would have to pay a premium like with torres,carrol,etc. We havent spent any money this summer, so we can easily get a 30/40m signing in without selling rooney so we dont need the money from his sale.

A rooney in top form is worth more than whatever we will get from chelsea anyway, so no real need to strengthen them and make our own life harder.