Oh, c'mon - this isn't even the shadow of an argument. You know very well there are plenty of factors present beside a player's quality. His availability is limited, as it were. You'd be ill advised to gauge Iniesta's proficiency as a footballer based on the active interest he attracts from clubs across Europe.
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Oh, c'mon - this isn't even the shadow of an argument. You know very well there are plenty of factors present beside a player's quality. His availability is limited, as it were. You'd be ill advised to gauge Iniesta's proficiency as a footballer based on the active interest he attracts from clubs across Europe.
Yes, I'd say that's true enough. People have been banging on about his bottom level being horrible, having the touch of a rapist, looking like he doesn't give a shite - and so forth. There is some truth to this. Rooney is hot and cold, I would be the first to admit that. But United fans blow this out of all proportion, because they see Rooney all the time, and expect him to be the main provider of footballing excellence on the pitch whenever he's on it. For several seasons he has been our main man - that's undeniable. And with that comes great expectations from the fans, not least when the player in question was once hailed as the greatest English prospect since...insert whomever you will. When he isn't on fire, people will get on his case - not least because he hasn't exactly been a natural fan favourite after 2010.
Yep. In fact the very first page of this thread has plenty of criticism of his first touch and control of a football and how hit/miss it can be, and that was back in 2008!
Define a natural finisher for me.
He wasn't a natural finisher when he was playing as a main striker and scoring 34 goals? He wasn't a natural finisher in 11/12 when he scored 34 despite playing a withdrawn role? How many number 10s have scored 34 goals in a season from that position, surely that takes top class finishing skills? And for arguments sake, even if he isn't a 'natural finisher' like you say... if he scores 30+ goals when he plays as a number 9, why would you hold that against him?
Barcelona want Rooney! Lol joking
If Iniesta wants to leave and only a club makes a bid (relatively low) for him while big teams go for players like Silva, Mata and Ozil then surely something is wrong. Maybe Iniesta needs a re-valuation.
I think there are quite a bit more than you and I realise, but because we've been stuck with Rooney for so long we already mentally close the door to even thinking about certain players. Especially ones that play for smaller clubs that don't go as far in the CL.
These same questions were asked when RVP was first bought. And at the time RVP wasn't even part of the "flavour of the month" group of strikers like Cavani/Falcao/Lewandowski.
For a player that keeps getting touted within this thread for "bring so much to the pitch" (disclaimer: when on form or when he feels like it or when there aren't off the pitch issues or when he isn't cheating on his wife)... Rooney still gets way too much wiggle room from us fans when it comes to discussions on all things Rooney. It is as if he is held to a different set of standards and is afforded so much slack because we had all hoped he was going to be our version of Messi/Ronaldo... and some of us still are hoping he'll come good and turn into that player. Truth is he won't.
After Ronaldo left (especially) Rooney played in a hybrid role for us under Fergie. That hybrid role I personally can't see many strikers on the market being able to fill. People were amused or even outraged at the idea that Fergie might be tinkering with using him as a central midfielder - but that says alot about the kind of player he has developed into: He has qualities that very few strikers possess. For a player who is capable of outscoring an RVP as a sheer goal provider he is extremely versatile. Which is precisely why Fergie employed him as he did. And why he is as highly rated as he is by the likes of Guardiola.
You sum it up, though:
That's just it. Except the first part. He isn't afforded any slack at all, precisely because he isn't our version of Messi or Ronaldo. And many United fans demand something of the kind.
Yeah I do largely agree, it probably is a fair argument to say that being the ones to see him most often we properly pick up on his poor games more often and so it's harder to judge him against other players fairly who most will see relatively little off in comparison to Rooney but I also think that only goes so far. Looking at some of the other top players who have been here in recent years who we do/did see each week, I can't remember any of them really having games where everything seems to go as wrong as Rooney's can, certainly not as frequently. Everyone can have a spell where they can't get the goals, or the assist just isn't there but are still pushing on the team, sometimes in recent years its felt like moves actually break down cause of him, when he's on an off day. That for me is what, with his fitness, has stopped him from being a genuine contender for 3rd in the world more often.
You're mixing up all sort of cards, there. Rooney isn't officially for sale. And he might not be interested at all to move abroad. This is broken record stuff by now.
I agree completely with this. But that is precisely because he was so instrumental for us during a certain period of Fergie's time in charge: He performed more than one role - and he wasn't good enough, strictly speaking, as a playmaker when he wasn't on song. That's a fact - but he usually provided something, nevertheless, be it a pass or a goal. And he did a job when we didn't have the ball which was part of Fergie's plan - a part that was never appreciated by those who only looked at his touch or his flair.
He was a crucial component, simply but precisely put. Fergie would say that, undoubtedly - and yet I get the impression people think we'd been better off just offloading him several seasons ago.
Anyone heard this blackmailing thing? Don't know if we're allowed to speculate but it wouldn't be this?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/premier-league-star-blackmail-suspect-2176807
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5061465/premier-league-footballer-blackmail-sex-texts.html
(was referenced in the twitter thread by Darren Can)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/premier-league-star-blackmail-suspect-2176807
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5061465/premier-league-footballer-blackmail-sex-texts.html
(was referenced in the twitter thread by Darren Can)
@Darren_Can: A man has been arrested in connection with the alleged blackmailing of Wayne Rooney.”
Exclusive – Schmeichel adamant Rooney will not leave Man United
Richard Keys making a ridiculous argument that Rooney cant be expected to step out at Old Trafford when Sir Alex has told the world he wanted to leave: Rooney has facebook and twitter, at any time he could've said 'I want to stay at United' but he hasn't. Rooney found time to write messages about Roy Hodgson and 'Steven' so why couldn't he, months ago, find a moment to say in 140 characters or less that the speculation around him was rubbish? Pull the other other one please!
Richard Keys making a ridiculous argument that Rooney cant be expected to step out at Old Trafford when Sir Alex has told the world he wanted to leave: Rooney has facebook and twitter, at any time he could've said 'I want to stay at United' but he hasn't. Rooney found time to write messages about Roy Hodgson and 'Steven' so why couldn't he, months ago, find a moment to say in 140 characters or less that the speculation around him was rubbish? Pull the other other one please!
What?
Maybe all this "Rooney on the move" lark is a smokescreen to distract from off field problems such as this mooted blackmail case.
We all know we love our smokescreens at United.
We all know we love our smokescreens at United.
How is his availability 'limited' in any way? Rooney wants to leave. He's not our first choice striker at OT and if a bid comes our way from a foreign club we would take it without second thought. Do you think that United would refuse a straight swap between Rooney and Fabregas. By the looks of it we would probably be interested in a straight swap between him and Modric. .
Why dont we just admit that he's been in decline for quite some time now. He may have scored 30 goals+ 2 seasons ago, however such thing was done at a big club with a team built around him. It certainly didnt impressed SAF who went on buying a world class striker who ended up taking his role upfront with very little effort and dragging us to a historical EPL title in the process.
To conclude, Falcao was sold for 50m, Cavani for 54m, Arsenal were ready to spend 40m for Suarez and yet the white Pele isnt able to garner a fee bigger then 28m+ add ons.
Why would anyone move a 'world class' striker in midfield only to bring another world class striker upfront? I wonder. Guardiola knew that Rooney was available and yet he asked for Thiago as his only transfer rather then the white Pele and that despite Bayern being stronger in midfield then upfront (Bayern preferred to wait for Lewandowski rather then solve all their issues by getting Rooney)
People say alot of things. Its what they do in reality that matters.
Its evident that Rooney is for sale and we would rather sell him abroad then in the EPL. Regarding whether he wants to go abroad or not is a really poor excuse. Totti (whose no white Pele) is much more of a club man then Rooney and yet that didnt deterred foreign clubs (especially Real) to knock at his door year after year keen to buy him up.
Could it be that he's not as good anymore as many portray him to be? FFS he's not even the first team choice striker with us. Ah but moving a player out of his position and against his will is down to him being so versatile and talented isn't it?
I don't know whats the point of keep him here, the fans will hate him, he won't perform, and the expensive wage burden as well.
Well that's evidently not what you said in the post I quoted.
What makes you think he's for sale?
He's not happy at OT, he's not a crucial member of the first team anymore and he's at the wrong end of his contract. I bet that if Woody received a big bid from a big foreign club then he'll drive him personally there.
Never thought the day would come when I agree with devilish.
"I bet" is a long, long way from "It's evident that Rooney is for sale" at post 22,888. Opinion presented as fact in order to try to get a point across, seems to be a common thread on the caf these days.
I don't really understand why people say he won't perform. I have never seen him deliberately under perform or not make his best effort when playing. Even if he wants to leave, I think he is professional enough to do his job.
He wants to leave and he has only two years at his contract. If he was as good as some people are making him here, I think that more clubs would be interested on him, rather than in expensive options like Falcao/Cavani or wait for Lewa for another season. You say that Guardiola rates him but he didn't try to sign him, while they made an offer for Lewa.
Maybe Rooney's people made it clear months ago that he had no interest in going abroad and It was London only.
Last season why didn't loads of other clubs apart from us and City go for RVP?
Juve was there too. Also, there weren't any high profile striker transfers (except Ibra), which means that clubs weren't interested as much as in this season for strikers. Anyway, 3 clubs are more than one.
My two cents on Rooney. His main strenght as a player is his versatility. There aren't many players out there who can score goals, create goals, do a decent job on the flanks and in central midfield. Add to that his work ethic, good speed and leadership qualities and the picture gets even brighter. However, he hasn't been consistently brilliant in any of the roles he's been asked to play. Surely, he can be a prolific striker but he isn't an Henry or a RvN. He can be a good playmaker but he isn't world class in that role. Compare him to Mata, Fabregas or Silva and he comes short. His major weakness as a forward is his technique. He is worse than virtually any top class forward in the world at manipulating the ball, particularly in tight spaces. Rooney and technical brilliance are two quite different things. Compare him to the very best, say Ronaldinho, and he looks like a pub player in that respect. He simply isn't good enough at controlling the ball to be considered a truly brilliant player. When on form he can be relatively very effective and very useful but his technical ability is a bit limited for a great forward.
Well arsenal were clearly interested in Rooney too early in the summer.
I don't recall much interest from Juve for RVP, but I will take your word on it.
So Rooney has travelled. If he gets on the pitch, is he going to get booed by our away support? He'll obviously no longer be a fan favourite, but I hope we can just let him get on with it and support the team, rather than pick out individuals. I can't see our support doing what Liverpool fans did and be forgiving and Rooney, hoping that he stays. I think we did that in 2010, though it was clear back then, with how quickly it was resolved, that he was never really going anywhere.
I don't see why he should be booed heavily anyway. Everything we hear is "sources" and third party. His silence shows his interest in probably wanting to leave, but atleast he kept it that way and hasnt done a Suarez. As long as he gives his all on the pitch, we should support him. It hurts he wants to leave, but that is modern football.
I don't think he'll get booed by United fans. He lost his, "He'd stay with us even if we dropped out of the European places, " "Would play for free," "Jumpers for goalposts," image years ago. He also lost his automatic place in the first XI and for most United fans, his must play irrespective of alternatives so he can play himself into form, protection.
He's just another player now. They come and go. If he scores everyone will cheer. If he doesn't, I doubt he'll get many sympathetic choruses of white Pele though.
He's just another player now. They come and go. If he scores everyone will cheer. If he doesn't, I doubt he'll get many sympathetic choruses of white Pele though.
I just hope we're in such a comfortable position that we don't have to use the hypocritical twat.
Let him "suffer" for another while.
Let him "suffer" for another while.
Its important to get behind him, I am shocked by some fans on here to be honest. You can see how we are struggling to attract the top players here at the minute whether it be the lack of money from the Glazers or the uncertainity of it all at the minute. This means we must do everything we can to keep our top players we have here currently. I think some people need to realise the majority of players are out for themselves thats just a fact of the modern game. The irony is some people after the last incident in 2010 or whenever it was said he should keep it in house and was wrong to some out with the statement he made but now are saying his silence is the problem??? A utd player should always have our support and as of the current moment Rooney is a Utd player so I for one will get behind him as I would all Utd players especially the wants at the level of a Wayne Rooney.
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