Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Yet Kagawa who has had 1.5 games of pre season was on the bench. Evans was on bench two weeks after ankle injury, as was valencia after only one pre season game. A 'shoulder injury' even if it really did happen (which of course it didnt) wouldnt have stopped him being on the bench yesterday if he was going to be able to play on wednesday.

Check it out lads, we have one of the United medical team on the caf!
 
I'm not sure Moyes would have set himself up for such a fall if we were planning to offload Rooney. He was very definitive yesterday and even mocked the press at how wrong they are from the actual truth. After all that I certainly don't see Rooney calling the shots or going to London.

It's actually quite refreshing to see these sugar daddy, millionaires play thing clubs being told where to go.
 
No point playing him yesterday if he's not fit enough to start against Swansea.

He's not 'fine' for the game 3 days later, hence can only play a maximum of 45 mins.

If he's fit to train with England today then I would have thought he would be ok to come on as a sub against Wigan.
 
For the record, i don't think we'll sell him.

Will he be worth any value to Utd if he stayed and not give 100% to the team? I'm not suggesting that you sell him to Chelsea by any means but I think from a club and team perspective, a player who isn't committed to the club is of no value to the team.
 
Well he be worth any value to Utd if he stayed and not give 100% to the team. I'm not suggesting that you sell him to Chelsea by any means but I think from a club and team perspective, a player who isn't committed to the club is of no value to the team.
No, i know. I just think at the moment with only chelsea interested we wouldnt sell him to them and make our chances next year worse. If we had got Fabregas and or bale, maybe that would change, but as it stands i think we will look to try get him back on board and reintegrated into the team.
 
I'm not sure Moyes would have set himself up for such a fall if we were planning to offload Rooney. He was very definitive yesterday and even mocked the press at how wrong they are from the actual truth. After all that I certainly don't see Rooney calling the shots or going to London.

It's actually quite refreshing to see these sugar daddy, millionaires play thing clubs being told where to go.

Indeed.
Time and again a reporter attempted to start a question about Rooney with the gambit: "David, I know you don't want to talk about Wayne but…"

Time and again they were drowned out before they could finish the sentence. "Don't ask me then. I've told you, Wayne is not for sale and that is that."

"I'm quite enjoying talking about Wayne because so many of you are getting it wrong," he said, before stating that he knew most of the media present and thought they "were cleverer than that."

Chip off the old block.
 
If he's fit to train with England today then I would have thought he would be ok to come on as a sub against Wigan.

Moyes may be playing hardball with Rooney but the entire situation stinks and he should get rid of him ASAP. Why don't you sell him to Arsenal? You don't regard them as your rivals anymore and If he's willing to take a pay cut there, it could be a win-win for both clubs if that happened. (Unlikely though)
 


The press here like to think they have real power and can influence who is employed and who isn't. They will undermine him all the time and if he goes they will say, I told you so. Pillocks.

Yet Jose comes back and he is the second coming and can do no wrong. Poor Moyes has hardly got his feet under the table and he can nothing right according to them. I think United fans are going to have to circle the wagons.
 
No, i know. I just think at the moment with only chelsea interested we wouldnt sell him to them and make our chances next year worse. If we had got Fabregas and or bale, maybe that would change, but as it stands i think we will look to try get him back on board and reintegrated into the team.

Get him back on board...twice?
 
Ronaldo "wasn't for sale", Torres "wasn't for sale", even Van Persie last summer "wasn't for sale".

If United don't have any intention of selling him, why is he not being played?

Fabregas 'wasn't for sale'. Modric 'wasnt for sale' and they stayed. Rooney genuinely isn't going anywhere. Like Nani his contract will just run down or he will sign a new deal.
 
The press here like to think they have real power and can influence who is employed and who isn't. They will undermine him all the time and if he goes they will say, I told you so. Pillocks.

Yet Jose comes back and he is the second coming and can do no wrong. Poor Moyes has hardly got his feet under the table and he can nothing right according to them. I think United fans are going to have to circle the wagons.

:)
 
Nearly every footballer ever!
Ahhhhhh ok, first of all, if nearly every player ever is world class why are we having such difficulty finding a midfielder? Secondly, when you have stopped being so obtuse, How often do people say "Messi is world class when he wants to be" or "That Ronaldo is world class when his attitude is right" or "Zidane was simply flawless, sometimes".........
 
If he is not sold and if he does not give his 100%, he is doing himself no favors where the World Cup is concerned. And this could be his last World Cup. When the next one comes around, he will be over 30, and there may be other kids on the block who may outshine him.

So he had better play his ass out.
 
Ahhhhhh ok, first of all, if nearly every player ever is world class why are we having such difficulty finding a midfielder? Secondly, when you have stopped being so obtuse, How often do people say "Messi is world class when he wants to be" or "That Ronaldo is world class when his attitude is right" or "Zidane was simply flawless, sometimes".........

Nearly every player ever, so whoever is world class obviously is the outside the nearly.

Messi was dung last year in a few games and the year before in the ties against Chelsea he was utter dung as well. So some people have their bad days.
 
If he is not sold and if he does not give his 100%, he is doing himself no favors where the World Cup is concerned. And this could be his last World Cup. When the next one comes around, he will be over 30, and there may be other kids on the block who may outshine him.

So he had better play his ass out.
Another good reason to make sure we keep him for even just this year. Let him play at his best then sort it out next season when he's a year older and fatter.

Of course he may just assume he'll get staright in the england squad no matter how well he plays
 
If he is not sold and if he does not give his 100%, he is doing himself no favors where the World Cup is concerned. And this could be his last World Cup. When the next one comes around, he will be over 30, and there may be other kids on the block who may outshine him.

So he had better play his ass out.


He will give 100%. He is not stupid enough to damage his own brand. Another average or worse season that last year and his marketability and wage demands will plummet.
 
We can all list players who have been sold or have stayed once their managers have said "they will not be sold" or vice versa. It's pointless bringing it into this situation though because it's not the same player, manager or club. Furthermore, it's all irrelevant because if the right offer came in we obviously would sell him. Say a club who had no bearing on us, so a Monaco or Milan etc came in for £100 million, would we say no to that? What about £150 million? Of course we wouldn't, Moyes would take the deal in a heartbeat and we'd be laughing. Clearly that's not going to happen, but it tells you if the money/location is right, we wouldn't have any concern about doing it and you can guarantee we'd go back on our 'word' to do it too.
 
Interesting to hear Big Ron's opinion yesterday.

He believes that once the window has closed Rooney isn't the type of player to feck about and Moyes is more than capable of managing the situation.
 
As much of a tool Rooney he is, I think he loves football too much to feck about if he stays against his will. I doubt very much he would be on top form though.
 
Nearly every player ever, so whoever is world class obviously is the outside the nearly.

Messi was dung last year in a few games and the year before in the ties against Chelsea he was utter dung as well. So some people have their bad days.

Yep, A few games, not for about a third of a season pretty much EVERY season.
 
I have no doubt Wayne can act as a professional for the new season despite not wanting to be at the club - and I still don't think he wants to be here. I don't think he's either stupid enough to do anything different, or that he'd be advised any different by those he'd listen to. After all it would still have a big impact on his career, especially given he'd most likely be leaving after it, so potential buyers wouldn't ideally want a Rooney who has done feck all and purposefully messed around, not to mention the upcoming season will be important for World Cup next, so I can see him wanting to stay fit/involved for that too which means games. The issue for me is I don't want him at the club at all. I don't really care how much of an impact he could have on the season, I'd rather we gave that opportunity to someone who wants to play at the club, wants to tie down a place, and doesn't spend the last month before the new season trying to get a move to your main rivals. It might not make us better immediately for this season, it surely won't, but we would be in better shape for the season after, having relied on a player who knows they will be here next season, and wants to be too. I don't know about disruption for the rest of the team and don't really care about wages and that, it's simply down to not wanting to keep a player who has no desire at all to be at your club.
 
I have no doubt Wayne can act as a professional for the new season despite not wanting to be at the club - and I still don't think he wants to be here. I don't think he's either stupid enough to do anything different, or that he'd be advised any different by those he'd listen to. After all it would still have a big impact on his career, especially given he'd most likely be leaving after it, so potential buyers wouldn't ideally want a Rooney who has done feck all and purposefully messed around, not to mention the upcoming season will be important for World Cup next, so I can see him wanting to stay fit/involved for that too which means games. The issue for me is I don't want him at the club at all. I don't really care how much of an impact he could have on the season, I'd rather we gave that opportunity to someone who wants to play at the club, wants to tie down a place, and doesn't spend the last month before the new season trying to get a move to your main rivals. It might not make us better immediately for this season, it surely won't, but we would be in better shape for the season after, having relied on a player who knows they will be here next season, and wants to be too. I don't know about disruption for the rest of the team and don't really care about wages and that, it's simply down to not wanting to keep a player who has no desire at all to be at your club.

Exactly.

1 Danny Welbeck/Chicarito > 10 Wayne Rooneys
 
Well considering Wayne as no version of events, Moyes side does seem more believable. He also wouldn't have said Rooney requested to train with the reserves if Rooney didn't do that. Plus what Moyes said did make sense, he has played just 45 minutes of football behind closed doors all pre-season, he probably wouldn't have started or played yesterday anyway. England probably feel differently or are willing to play through that risk given their shit alternatives.
 
In a world cup year I find it hard to believe Rooney would act the bellend if he was forced to stay. I reckon he'd shut up and just get on with it and leave the summer after.
 
"Sometimes you gotta lose to win"

Really, Roy? Not something I'd have imagined him saying as a player. Also, he says United have lost great players but we've never passed a great player onto a direct title challenger. Important difference, that.


I wouldn't listen to Roy Keane anymore.
 
Nearly every player ever, so whoever is world class obviously is the outside the nearly.

Messi was dung last year in a few games and the year before in the ties against Chelsea he was utter dung as well. So some people have their bad days.

He wasn't "utter dung", he came within a post of scoring a great winner past Cech. Maybe by his high standards.
 
I have no doubt Wayne can act as a professional for the new season despite not wanting to be at the club - and I still don't think he wants to be here. I don't think he's either stupid enough to do anything different, or that he'd be advised any different by those he'd listen to. After all it would still have a big impact on his career, especially given he'd most likely be leaving after it, so potential buyers wouldn't ideally want a Rooney who has done feck all and purposefully messed around, not to mention the upcoming season will be important for World Cup next, so I can see him wanting to stay fit/involved for that too which means games. The issue for me is I don't want him at the club at all. I don't really care how much of an impact he could have on the season, I'd rather we gave that opportunity to someone who wants to play at the club, wants to tie down a place, and doesn't spend the last month before the new season trying to get a move to your main rivals. It might not make us better immediately for this season, it surely won't, but we would be in better shape for the season after, having relied on a player who knows they will be here next season, and wants to be too. I don't know about disruption for the rest of the team and don't really care about wages and that, it's simply down to not wanting to keep a player who has no desire at all to be at your club.

Even if that means selling him to Chelsea?
 
He wasn't "utter dung", he came within a post of scoring a great winner past Cech. Maybe by his high standards.

He was very quiet. Ambling around not wanting the ball. Some said he was sick some said he was injured. Further illustrating that even the best can have a bad day.

Bad season : wenger :
 
Also, let's not compare Messi's inconsistency to Rooney's ffs. Unless there's a period in nearly every season where Messi has this problem?
 
Show me the Rosetta Stone and I'll believe in christ :lol:.
Until then.. Rooney is going nowhere... :wenger:

See, Im more of an optimist, and choose to believe my 9 year wait is nearing an end.......the prophecies all point to it being so.......a favourite son being shunned by the masses, a new general massing the Red Army for War, The Seer Sparky_hughes has spoken bitches.

Im enjoying this RAWK style posting :lol:
 
Interesting to hear Big Ron's opinion yesterday.

He believes that once the window has closed Rooney isn't the type of player to feck about and Moyes is more than capable of managing the situation.

If there is one guy who has his finger directly on the pulse of modern day football, it's Big Ron.
 
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