Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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pauldyson1uk said:
There is still 3 weeks left of the window, plenty of time yet.
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All the top drawer strikers have moved now though. A lot of second tier ones have too. Who would we get in at this short notice?

Edit: also, with the start to the season we have, we could have already dropped important points if we wait until the close of the transfer window.
 
Brophs said:
If Moyes does think Rooney has is past his best, it'd be some show of balls to let him go to Chelsea. There's a huge potential backlash there.
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The guy can't really win. Keep him, and he's a cancer to the squad, and affects finances massively (salary/transfer funds). Sell him to Chelsea and like you say a potential backlash.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Personally I dont have a clue, I hope Moyes has something really good lined up.
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The only top class striker I can think of is Lewandowski - but I suspect he'll be happy enough to bide his time at Dortmund until next summer's inevitable defection to Bayern.
 
Sultan said:
The guy can't really win. Keep him, and he's a cancer to the squad, and affects finances massively (salary/transfer funds). Sell him to Chelsea and like you say a potential backlash.
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Do you think he'll cause trouble if he's still around once the transfer window slams shut?

Even Tevez knuckled down and played a key part in City winning the title after his mid-season golfing holiday. There's no point in Rooney kicking up a fuss if he doesn't get sold, as it won't achieve anything.
 
Feed Me said:
The only top class striker I can think of is Lewandowski - but I suspect he'll be happy enough to bide his time at Dortmund until next summer's inevitable defection to Bayern.
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He would do, when we bought Ronaldo, he was a nobody really and look where he is now.
At the moment I have full confidence in Moyes doing what is right for the team.
 
KM said:
Dortmund are keeping Lewa even though there's only year left on his contract and he wants to join Bayern and has publicly said so.

Rooney will stay, I think selling him will have greater ramifications than financial, selling one of your best players to a PL rival doesn't send the right message. We don't want to turn into Arsenal.
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That's a very good point, actually. These things can be handled. It all depends on the relationship between the manager and the player: That's a matter of being a bit clever and a bit diplomatic. Rotting on the bench is not in Rooney's best interest, and it's obviously not in United's best interest either - that should be the starting point.

If he goes mental, does a Tevez of some kind, alright - then you have a serious problem on your hands. But most players aren't in the Tevez bracket, after all. I say it's possible for Moyes and Rooney to have a professional relationship, just as it's possible for Rodgers to have one with Suarez (another current example of a similar problem). In short, United shouldn't allow themselves to be pushed here - the situation isn't unmanageable.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
That's a very good point, actually. These things can be handled. It all depends on the relationship between the manager and the player: That's a matter of being a bit clever and a bit diplomatic. Rotting on the bench is not in Rooney's best interest, and it's obviously not in United's best interest either - that should be the starting point.

If he goes mental, does a Tevez of some kind, alright - then you have a serious problem on your hands. But most players aren't in the Tevez bracket, after all. I say it's possible for Moyes and Rooney to have a professional relationship, just as it's possible for Rodgers to have one with Suarez (another current example of a similar problem). In short, United shouldn't allow themselves to be pushed here - the situation isn't unmanageable.
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As I said though, Tevez eventually came back into the fold and knuckled down. His situation was just as bad, with Mancini stating he'd never play for the club again! There's always a way back, especially for good players.
 
Feed Me said:
As I said though, Tevez eventually came back into the fold and knuckled down. His situation was just as bad, with Mancini stating he'd never play for the club again! There's always a way back, especially for good players.
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But unlike Tevez, there is a team willing to take Rooney and offer him a way out, Tevez only went back to City because no other team wanted him.
 
Feed Me said:
Do you think he'll cause trouble if he's still around once the transfer window slams shut?

Even Tevez knuckled down and played a key part in City winning the title after his mid-season golfing holiday. There's no point in Rooney kicking up a fuss if he doesn't get sold, as it won't achieve anything.
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I've been saying long before all this came to a head Rooney had lost that street fighter qualities which made him such a formidable player. He has been under performing for a year, and there are rumours senior players are not happy with his attitude.
 
Feed Me said:
As I said though, Tevez eventually came back into the fold and knuckled down. His situation was just as bad, with Mancini stating he'd never play for the club again! There's always a way back, especially for good players.
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True. Then, of course, we may discuss to what extent a club should be lenient and pragmatic - when a player acts like Tevez did. But that's a different debate. I personally don't think Rooney is likely to do a Tevez - I doubt very much it will come to that.
 
Sultan said:
I've been saying long before all this came to a head Rooney had lost that street fighter qualities which made him such a formidable player. He has been under performing for a year, and there are rumours senior players are not happy with his attitude.
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It's a tricky situation. If he gets a change of scenery and a manager that is renowned for his ability to motivate his players (especially at Chelsea and Inter), he could well get that spark back. If he does, that's a pretty terrifying prospect for us.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
But unlike Tevez, there is a team willing to take Rooney and offer him a way out, Tevez only went back to City because no other team wanted him.
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This is true, of course. But the only team seemingly willing to offer him that way out is one we cannot sell him to - in my opinion. If there were offers from abroad, and Rooney had said himself willing to leave for, say, PSG - this issue would be quickly resolved.
 
KM said:
Dortmund are keeping Lewa even though there's only year left on his contract and he wants to join Bayern and has publicly said so.
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Unlike Dortmund with Lewandowski, United won't have the same backlash from the fans if Rooney is sold.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
If he does refuse to play, would that not be breach of contract, a sackable offence.
Not that I think it will happen.
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I'm no lawyer but I negotiate the terms of legislation governing entertainment contract law in a highly litigious state. If one party, either an athlete or a musician or actor, to a lawful contract refuses to perform pursuant to the terms of the contract he or she is in breach of that contract and liable for damages.

I have to assume it's not that different in the UK.

If Roo refuses to play or obviously tanks it when he does play he's got much bigger problems than mere monetary damages to United.

We hold all the cards, but we have to keep a stiff cock.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
This is true, of course. But the only team seemingly willing to offer him that way out is one we cannot sell him to - in my opinion. If there were offers from abroad, and Rooney had said himself willing to leave for, say, PSG - this issue would be quickly resolved.
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I think for the good of the team, we should just sell him, pretty much like Arsenal last season, they did not want RVP to come to us but he did in the end, this could be one of the times we just have to suck it up and accept he is going to them.
 
I'm was confident he would stay, but I'm skeptical about it now. No one will talk about it directly which is particularly annoying but at the same time it's quite telling.

Moyes has had a little swipe, Rooney has had a little swipe but neither have been critical or massively disrespectful. Rooney's side is definitely instigated by more than the man himself whereas Moyes has inherited this situation on the back of previous issues with Rooney AND Sir Alex's part.

But the fact he's not in contention for the travelling squad on Sunday but will definitely join up with England is a bit of a sign. To be completely ruled out for us which wasn't the case last week (when I thought an England call up was fair), its not a good sign from a potential transfer point of view.

For United's sake it's imperative he doesn't go to Chelsea, but unless there's a major change player power looks like it'll get it's way at the end of the window.
 
Feed Me said:
As I said though, Tevez eventually came back into the fold and knuckled down. His situation was just as bad, with Mancini stating he'd never play for the club again! There's always a way back, especially for good players.
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I agree. I think what Tevez did is worse than what Rooney has ever done. We still don't know the full story here either as United have been so adamant he's not for sale, and Rooney has said nothing. City fans even lapped up Tevez's golf swing celebration which pretty much took the piss out of the club and its supporters, as he took a 4 month long paid holiday, and he clearly showed no sorrow over it. A great deal of United supporters are already pissed off with Rooney without really knowing the whole truth, but I think if he came back, worked hard and played as good as we expect, then I'm sure we'd get off his back and support him. Until we do know the truth, I have no real ill-feeling towards Wayne. I still hope he stays.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I think for the good of the team, we should just sell him, pretty much like Arsenal last season, they did not want RVP to come to us but he did in the end, this could be one of the times we just have to suck it up and accept he is going to them.
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Well, this isn't clear cut by any means - and perhaps you're right. Two things, though: RVP's contract situation was very different from Rooney's. And - as has been mentioned by Gary Neville among others - Rooney is popular with the other players. Many on here seem to think he's a proper bellend, but the fact is that he gets on very well with his team mates. So, what should be done for the good of the team isn't obvious here.
 
Sultan said:
It's inconceivable the Glazers will not want to lose so much money.
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And it'll be the Glazers who'll have the last word and as they weigh everything in terms of dollars and cents, profit and loss, they'll presumably get a decent price for him. I just wish the whole toxic episode would end and we can get on with the season.
 
One important point not being mentioned in this thread is the fact United have a rich history and tradition. A club of our stature should not tolerate or accept a player who does not want to wear the shirt, even if that means losing out on the title.
 
Moriarty said:
And it'll be the Glazers who'll have the last word and as they weigh everything in terms of dollars and cents, profit and loss, they'll presumably get a decent price for him. I just wish the whole toxic episode would end and we can get on with the season.
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I agree, could well be the reason behind out dreadful pre-season.
If we are going to sell him and to Chelsea, get it done now. Then we will have no disturbances to worry about.
 
What we cannot do is sell Roo to the chavs in a simple player for cash deal.

What we can do is demand Mata as part of any cash deal. Anyone who's willing to assess the two players right now would agree Mata > Rooney. Jose would be right to laugh at us for suggesting he part with Mata, in which case we laugh right back at him at any offer less than a nine figure sum, all cash up front. We really couldn't turn down 100m, could we?
 
Ruud10 said:
What we cannot do is sell Roo to the chavs in a simple player for cash deal.

What we can do is demand Mata as part of any cash deal. Anyone who's willing to assess the two players right now would agree Mata > Rooney. Jose would be right to laugh at us for suggesting he part with Mata, in which case we laugh right back at him at any offer less than a nine figure sum, all cash up front. We really couldn't turn down 100m, could we?
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How many Arsenal fans said that last season, yes I know RVP was coming to the end of his contract but I bet the did not want him here.
 
Sultan said:
One important point not being mentioned in this thread is the fact United have a rich history and tradition. A club of our stature should not tolerate or accept a player who does not want to wear the shirt, even if that means losing out on the title.
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But Sults, we persuaded Ronaldo to stay another season, even after he flirted with leaving all summer, and he won us the title the next season. We can jettison a trouble maker by all means, but it should always be done on terms that minimises the pain we feel.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, this isn't clear cut by any means - and perhaps you're right. Two things, though: RVP's contract situation was very different from Rooney's. And - as has been mentioned by Gary Neville among others - Rooney is popular with the other players. Many on here seem to think he's a proper bellend, but the fact is that he gets on very well with his team mates. So, what should be done for the good of the team isn't obvious here.
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RVP had a year to go on his contract and was refusing to sign a new deal whereas Rooney still has two years on his contract, I think we will be in a similar situation with Rooney next year and just like Arsenal we will be forced to sell Rooney to the club of his choice.
 
I can see it being hard for many fans to forgive Rooney even if he stays, two times wanting to leave is one too many.

I hate him now, but would not boo him or any player that plays for United but I can easily see our fans sing a lot of anti Rooney songs and boo his name.
 
hp88 said:
RVP had a year to go on his contract and was refusing to sign a new deal whereas Rooney still has two years on his contract, I think we will be in a similar situation with Rooney next year and just like Arsenal we will be forced to sell Rooney to the club of his choice.
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Tbh, that's preferable to selling him now with so little time to re-build our own squad. At least we can plan for the eventuality next summer by putting our own transfer plans in place.
 
hp88 said:
RVP had a year to go on his contract and was refusing to sign a new deal whereas Rooney still has two years on his contract, I think we will be in a similar situation with Rooney next year and just like Arsenal we will be forced to sell Rooney to the club of his choice.
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Yes good points, but if he stays and has the same sort of season has last season, his value will hit the floor.
 
I would be happy to sell him at a reduced price if it meant Moyes would have another year to get the team sorted.
 
Feed Me said:
But Sults, we persuaded Ronaldo to stay another season, even after he flirted with leaving all summer, and he won us the title the next season. We can jettison a trouble maker by all means, but it should always be done on terms that minimises the pain we feel.
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Ronaldo never let his standards drop the season prior to asking for a move, or his last season. Rooney is likely refusing to play if Sir Alex was correct, and him not having appeared in any pre-season games this season.
 
hp88 said:
I would be happy to sell him at a reduced price if it meant Moyes would have another year to get the team sorted.
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Same. It makes no sense to sell him at this stage. We won't adequately replace him, we'll be doubling our on pitch problems (as we still haven't resolved CM) and we'll be handing a big rival the initiative. If we were going to give Rooney the boot, we should have done it early and been decisive. I'll be so disappointed if the club are biding their time, merely trying to bump the transfer fee up.
 
Feed Me said:
Same. It makes no sense to sell him at this stage. We won't adequately replace him, we'll be doubling our on pitch problems (as we still haven't resolved CM) and we'll be handing a big rival the initiative. If we were going to give Rooney the boot, we should have done it early and been decisive. I'll be so disappointed if the club are biding their time, merely trying to bump the transfer fee up.
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I have a feeling United had been planning to replace Rooney since last year. Unfortunately a number of rich boys are now in the market for top talents, and we just cannot compete in terms of transfer fees, salary and probably lifestyle.
 
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