Shoulder injury, huh?
So that's why he still hasn't handed in a transfer request.
So that's why he still hasn't handed in a transfer request.
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I'm sure there will be more than one, unfortunately.
That's how he injured it, repetitive strain injury from handing in too many.
Call me naive, still don't think we'll sell him to Chelsea.
The issue you have is that no-one is coming in to bid. It's becoming clear that Rooney isn't going to go abroad and that he basically just wants a move to Chelsea because they're the only team that will take him.
My personal view on what's happening here is that you're sourcing a replacement to get in before the sale because otherwise you're going to have the doom-mongers on your case before the season starts. There aren't a huge number of class second strikers out there, so it's all turning into a bit of a struggle.
Yeah he was yanking it at the thought of signing for Chelsea. Can't blame him really
I can't remember who said that selling Rooney to Chelsea would see us gain nothing other than money which we're not particularly desperate for, and I can see their point. But, like you said, I think big money is what we're waiting for and if and only if they offer big money will we consider selling which is what I was getting at. There is no point getting rid of him for getting rid sake; we may as well get the best deal we can and hopefully make the fat fecker and his cnut agent (and the rent boys) sweat while doing it.
Oh, I've read them alright. None of what has been said has amounted to "defending" Rooney, though. Defend him from what, by the way? What crimes has he committed, exactly?
Supposedly he wants away because of "irreconcilable differences", stemming from what Fergie said about him in that infamous post-match interview. Supposedly. We don't have any actual information about anything - that's one thing. All the conjecture and assumptions amount to...what? That he's not happy as a lark and wants to leave Manchester United? Fine, so that's another thing, then. How exactly does this make him a pantomime villain in the context of the modern game? I may be uncommonly stupid, but I don't get it. RVP pushed for a move last season, he wanted away from Arsenal, pissing off a huge amount of their fans along the way. Is that more acceptable? Why? Because RVP played for Arsenal? Because he's greying at the temples?
Fabregas keeping schtum, communicating (to who?) via "sources" who then twit and chirp all over the Internet, is fine - but Rooney doing the same makes him the devil. There's a double standard here, the general cuntishness of the modern footballer (not a particularly loyal bloke, not a particularly decent bloke, not a bloke who cares more about his cub and its fans than about his own career and his own bloody paycheck) is wielded with no hesitation against one man, yet completely ignored in the case of another man. At the end of the day it all seems to come down to whether you like the fecker's mug or not. Which is fair enough in my book - but don't pretend it has anything to do with morals or principles or old school ideas about loyalty and decency.
Yeah, well, sorry about the rant. And it wasn't directed specifically at you, either. For all I know you think RVP is a cnut too.
Not really, given that Moyes said ages ago that his predicted return date was tomorrow anyway.
With the talk of him handing in a transfer request some time this week, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened around the time of Rio's testimonial.
It comes down to timing and this isn't the window we should be shipping him off to Chelsea. There's too many unknown variables going into the season, why create another one? Let him run around in the reserves till the December window, then sell him off where he could possibly be cup tied.
So he's managed to fool our entire coaching staff and medical team that he had what they personally diagnosed as a grade 1 hamstring injury, but Sandikan from the internet thinks he knows better.
I bought the hamstring one. Do you buy this "shoulder" injury?
Not traveled = sold
Its that simple
Its that simple
It's a bit more nuanced than that though - RVP at least communicated his desire to leave; Rooney is hedging his bets at best. Why should fans support a half-committed player?
It's a bit different being on the receiving end from one of your players, as opposed to being the one profiting from their behavior. We're not meant to just sit here and take it, I'm sure Fergie expected some sort of backlash when he went public with what he said. I don't get where you're going with the whole 'what crimes has he commited?' idea. You know exactly what is being discussed.
Aye, it could end up being a pretty low move. He'll obviously want to have his move sorted well in advance of the start of the season, so he'll want to move on as quickly as possible. Either way I think he'll end up ducking the testimonial on the basis of not having recovered from the shoulder injury.
De Gea, Valencia, Hernandez, Rio, Young and Cleverley also didn't travel.
His injury could be legitimate. Conspiracy theories are pointless.
Exactly. That is my point. My only point, actually.
Keeping him until January would teach him a lesson, and then we'd still be in a decent position to sell then.
Selling him to Chelsea would be a huge risk
Funny how a few years ago, when he first wanted to go it was shell shock, now we could handle it. But selling to Chelsea if he re-ignites could be a disaster.
Selling him to Chelsea would be a huge risk
Funny how a few years ago, when he first wanted to go it was shell shock, now we could handle it. But selling to Chelsea if he re-ignites could be a disaster.
I think even Rooney is smart enough to realize the value of his brand. Even he realizes that another bad season would seriously damage his sponsorship earnings. Two seasons out of the limelight would have sponsors thinking twice.
Why should they support any player? Because he's an utterly supportable character? Most players who have ever played for United in my lifetime do NOT fit that bill.
What did Fergie actually say that was 'out of order'? He confirmed he had asked him for a transfer (not put in official request) and he rejected it. He also said that he wants to think about what he wants to do and that was the right idea, and he also said he was upset about being substituted a few times over March and April, to which Fergie added, 'a fit and on form Wayne would not be substituted so he wants to have a think about it'.
BTW, I'm not suggesting that I personally wouldn't support him, should he stay; perhaps I meant "defend" rather than "support". And defending him is fast becoming an untenable position.
Yes - I agree. If we deny him the move, he'll realize it's in his best interest to keep playing as well as he can. And to repeat this point yet again: He hasn't said anything on record. Just like Fabregas can say that he has never even considered leaving his beloved Barca, Rooney can issue a statement saying he loves Moyes like a father and wants nothing more than a chance to prove himself at United. And then leave next summer. It's a feckin' simulacrum, as the man said - all of this is.
Yes, undoubtedly - but whose position is it? Who is, in any meaningful way, defending him? Does not wanting him sold at any cost - to any team - amount to defending him?
There's confusion over what constitutes pragmatism: sell a player who apparently wants to leave, or keep an uncommitted player because he'd strengthen our rivals. The only sensible outlook is one which accepts the club's decision regardless of personal biases.
It's not though, is it?
Ah it's really starting to get me down all this. Of all the times for such a saga it has to be the pre season Sir Alex decided to retire, arguably the most important one at the club in years. Would have been prefect to have simply allowed the new gaffer to go about his business without all this nonsense allowing the team to prepare with no distractions, instead we have this circus.
I think it's quite obvious Rooney is pushing to go and although I say this through gritted teeth he will be a big loss to the club. I'm really not sure where it all went wrong. Obviously we don't see everything that goes on and look at affairs from a bias point of view but let's be honest can anyone see the logic in what Rooney has been upto the past few years. He's at one of the best football clubs in the world, winning and competing for the best prizes and has been loved by the fans for almost a decade. His career has been built here, the club has given him everything and just when it needs him most he would sooner hide away remaining non committal and try and push for a transfer to a rival.
I suppose we should have expected it really as he's Everton through and through, not United. We are just and employer to him and now he wants something new for whatever reason. We as fans often make the mistake of thinking that our clubs players care about the club as much as we do when the sad reality is they don't. Rooney could have stayed here and been a club legend. A future captain and guide for the next crop of youngsters who force theit way through. Instead he would sooner go to the soulless Chelsea.
The future is not always brighter, especially when you look back and realise just how good you have had it Wayne.
I think it's quite obvious Rooney is pushing to go and although I say this through gritted teeth he will be a big loss to the club. I'm really not sure where it all went wrong. Obviously we don't see everything that goes on and look at affairs from a bias point of view but let's be honest can anyone see the logic in what Rooney has been upto the past few years. He's at one of the best football clubs in the world, winning and competing for the best prizes and has been loved by the fans for almost a decade. His career has been built here, the club has given him everything and just when it needs him most he would sooner hide away remaining non committal and try and push for a transfer to a rival.
I suppose we should have expected it really as he's Everton through and through, not United. We are just and employer to him and now he wants something new for whatever reason. We as fans often make the mistake of thinking that our clubs players care about the club as much as we do when the sad reality is they don't. Rooney could have stayed here and been a club legend. A future captain and guide for the next crop of youngsters who force theit way through. Instead he would sooner go to the soulless Chelsea.
The future is not always brighter, especially when you look back and realise just how good you have had it Wayne.
Yes. That's pretty much it. And I agree: Given that we know far less than we'd like to we can but trust the club's judgment.
The reason I'm getting a bit fired up over this has nothing to do with Wayne Rooney in particular. His is a case which, to me, illustrates the fickleness of the modern fan - or rather, a particular kind of fickleness - very well. There's an ideal, still present, of a player who actually cares about the club to an extent which is at least comparable to the level of emotional investment (to borrow a phrase from another thread) the fan - irrationally, perfectly so - represents: And this ideal is painfully at odds with the reality of the thing, as evidenced time and again - by, for instance, the RVP transfer.
No matter, it's a theme for another type of thread.
This is what a lot of us are thinking. It doesn't make a great deal of sense.
He's already paid what must be top whack in the whole league, winning trophies, a chance to go into United all time history.
It can't just be an ego thing at VP coming in. After all he wanted top players to come in! And we've a new manager now anyway, so it's a fresh slate.
I get the feeling if he goes to Chelsea, he'll have a mixed couple of years there, and then it's anyone's guess where he'll end up.
We've all long had fears he won't last long into his 30s due to his thick set shape and lack of discipline in keeping in peak condition.
He could well end up 4 years down the line at some money club in the far east, playing in a sh!t standard league regretting this.
Yeah, Ches, and that corresponds to the point TR made just now: Rooney is an Everton fan, so - despite my critical posts - I understand it if he doesn't have United in his heart.
Why have I never seen this before?
Rooney on Ashley Cole;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...organ-Wayne-Rooney-Id-bullet-Ashley-Cole.html
feckI hope not. But in my books, I'll always have him down as the one who had the easy path of becoming a legend and all time top scorer, but decided to let it slip away.
If he wants to go, he should go - but I so so so wish this was just all bollocks. It won't feel right at all seeing him at a different club. Best match live I've been to was the United 2-1 City in which he scored that overhead kick. Depressing to think that he might potentially line up for one of our title rivals.
Rather than him being smart I think his advisers know this and are more than likely pushing their client his last big contract, and sponsorships deals. It's basically his last chance to earn a big contract. It's basically guaranteed United will not give him the same terms he is presently enjoying.
Why worry about him playing for our rivals? If he's anywhere near last seasons levels Chelsea are welcome to his services.
Why have I never seen this before?
Rooney on Ashley Cole;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...organ-Wayne-Rooney-Id-bullet-Ashley-Cole.html
He may well need to if Cole keeps shooting air guns at trainees. After all if you live by the sword...
He doesn't, I'm fairly sure of that. He's been here for a long time, though, so I can't imagine he's entirely indifferent to our club and its fate either. But he isn't a United man through and through, no - which is true for most of our players. To me that means two things: 1) As most of our players can't be expected to be United men through and through, we - as fans - need to keep that in mind. And 2) We, as United fans, need to treat these non-United men as precisely what they are: Professional footballers who serve our interests when they perform well on the pitch. That's it. It's been like that for a long, long time. Professionalism hails back to 1883, I think. That's when clubs started hiring players who had, in theory, no emotional attachment to the club that paid their salaries whatsoever.
It's more complicated, though, I know. The emotional attachment we all have to United is bound to - you know - spill over onto the players. It couldn't be any other way. You can't maintain a childlike adoration for the club and a detached, rational view on its players at the same time.
I don't really care where he goes, as long as he does. He's half-arsed his way for too long here.
And he bollocksed up his chance at being a club legend three years ago.
I reckon people are judging Rooney when he was at his peak a few years ago. Sir Alex hardly ever gets it wrong with his judgement when to sell players. Let go of attachments with players.
To be fair Sultan, I think if Rooney hadn't had any issues with the club now or before, there wouldn't be any talk of him being sold. If we do sell him, it won't be because of his ability on the pitch, he's still a brilliant player. I want him to go though anyway if he doesn't want to be at the club, which looks the case.
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