The Sun now claims that Wayne feels he's being made an outcast...as well as a prisoner, a slave and a space goat.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Let go, man. Don't self harm.
So if he got injured on Saturday, why did we just find out today?
I see now, we cant' sell Rooney until he has been sufficiently deprived of his pre-season, negating the impact he could have at Chelsea in the short term.
How about we add to that a footman, chimney sweep, and Fred the Red understudy?
I'm waiting for "Rooney burns scalp in curling tongs accident, out until the new year!"
I think this is all just a case of Wayne confusing the team being on tour with them avoiding him. The same thing happens when he closes his eyes.
That sounds pretty fecking cool to be fair, what's he complaining about?
I don't subscribed to the "what he has done for the club" gang, he has been paid handsomely for the privilege.
I do subscribe to the idea that when you treat your club as poorly as he has done, since questioning our ambition for more cash, there comes a point when he is simply not good enough for the club. Saturation point has been reached.
I don't think he is the ideal role model for the young players, I don't think he is good for dressing room morale and more recently I haven't thought him worthy of a starting place.
I am not questioning his ability, but I do think than instead of maturing into the legend he could easily have been, his ego, greed and his agent have worn down the esteem he was once held in.
Sad to say it, but with his childish determination to teach us a lesson, the boy has become a poison and we should not be afraid to let him go, at the right price.
I do subscribe to the idea that when you treat your club as poorly as he has done, since questioning our ambition for more cash, there comes a point when he is simply not good enough for the club. Saturation point has been reached.
I don't think he is the ideal role model for the young players, I don't think he is good for dressing room morale and more recently I haven't thought him worthy of a starting place.
I am not questioning his ability, but I do think than instead of maturing into the legend he could easily have been, his ego, greed and his agent have worn down the esteem he was once held in.
Sad to say it, but with his childish determination to teach us a lesson, the boy has become a poison and we should not be afraid to let him go, at the right price.
I don't think our failure to bring in top players is down to a lack of cash or willingness to spend.
I say we plan for life without Rooney but turn down all offers from Chelsea.
I know we can't compete with the sugarbabe clubs when it comes to transfers but when it's one of our players we hold all the cards.
As long as we can do the business we need - let Rooney and Chelsea ramp up the fee till deadline day.
I say we plan for life without Rooney but turn down all offers from Chelsea.
I know we can't compete with the sugarbabe clubs when it comes to transfers but when it's one of our players we hold all the cards.
As long as we can do the business we need - let Rooney and Chelsea ramp up the fee till deadline day.
Sell the crock, he's worse than Hargreaves and Johnsen combined.
I agree with this. And we should hold out for a player exchange - get Mata or Oscar or even Ramires in return if it has to be Chelsea.
Have you been reading the papers? Or smoking them..?
No, but it is to go about it the way Rooney has. Be a man, hand in the request, and go about your business. Or, say squad isn't good enough, cry about being played out of position, come up with every excuse in the book, cry about former manager, and then cry about fans possibly booing.
I love how the tune of the caf has changed drastically about Rooney in the last few years.I remember when Ronaldo was flirting with Madrid and a lot of posters were crying out saying "ROONEY WOULD NEVER DO THIS!"
Couple years later and we have several incidents where Rooney has shown his true colours. At least with Ronnie we knew what we were in for. Rooney is a coward and a loser. Simple as that. He's taking the easy way out and lacks dedication.
If only his performances merited such outlandish behaviour.
and to think some caftards looked at him as a saint a few years ago..I really am of the view that Rooney should leave, all this transfer he said they said stuff is taking our eye off the real stuff. We need players who want to be part of the continued success of Manchester United. It has often been said by new players who join, "i've come to continue the winning mentality" of this great club.
If Rooney doens't want to be here, then please let him go.
If Rooney doens't want to be here, then please let him go.
If Rooney does leave, will he become the most hated player around by United fans?
Don't think we will care aslong as his replaced. Winners don't hate.
I remember when Ronaldo was flirting with Madrid and a lot of posters were crying out saying "ROONEY WOULD NEVER DO THIS!"
Couple years later and we have several incidents where Rooney has shown his true colours. At least with Ronnie we knew what we were in for. Rooney is a coward and a loser. Simple as that. He's taking the easy way out and lacks dedication.
If only his performances merited such outlandish behaviour.
Mad isn't it. It's almost as if time has passed and things have happened since then.
How could we not have foreseen all of these events since 2008 ? Silly of us, we should have know then that Rooney was gonna act like this ..
I mean some people, the way they act like they can predict everything.
True enough, it would be nice to see him go to Chelsea and completely underwhelm; it would be gut wrenching to see him succeed there though. If he goes abroad I couldn't care less, I would find it amusing to see him try and adjust to life in Spain for example.
Whether he will be regarded as the most hated or not, he's certainly one of the most annoying.
Wayne Rooney could leave Manchester United and Old Trafford for all the wrong reasons
Wayne Rooney is about to make a decision that will affect the rest of his life, not simply the rest of his career. The Manchester United striker is about to make a momentous call that will affect his family greatly, that will shape how he himself is perceived for decades to come. It is a choice that must be taken calmly, not angrily.
Balancing act: Wayne Rooney must get his next decision right Photo: PA
By Henry Winter, Football Correspondent
6:20AM BST 06 Aug 2013
Stripping away the emotion, Rooney needs to shed this nonsensical fixation with old skirmishes with Sir Alex Ferguson. Spare us the Fergie excuse, Wayne. It does not stack up. He has retired. Chill out. Focus on the present and future, not the past.
If Rooney does submit the anticipated transfer request, and somehow persuades still-admiring employers reluctantly to sell him to one of their two main title rivals, he could be forgoing something special, the chance to make history at Old Trafford.
Rooney could be a legend, becoming United's greatest ever goalscorer, revered for all time. He needs 53 more goals to eclipse Sir Bobby Charlton’s club record of 249. What a mark to leave in the history books, a figure that may never be beaten.
Alternatively, a move to Chelsea, and the chance to work with the inspirational Jose Mourinho and start consistently in attack, could revitalise a 27-year-old who looks miserable.
A revival in Rooney’s spirits and form would be a particularly welcome development as England labour to qualify for the World Cup (although he still managed seven goals for England last season, moving to within 14 of overtaking Charlton’s record of 49).
Rooney’s escalating stand-off with United will acquire an international dimension on Thursday when Roy Hodgson is questioned about his squad to face Scotland in next week’s Wembley friendly.
The odds will be short on the first inquiry being “should Wazza leave United, Roy?’’ The Rooney saga, and how one shudders to hear the word saga in the summer, stirs different views.
It is complicated. Legitimate cases can be made for his either staying at United or going to Chelsea. Yet Rooney’s view of the situation is blurred by the image of Ferguson, by the memory of those teamsheets missing his name.
To reach a clear-eyed conclusion about the best way ahead, Rooney must dispel this ludicrous belief that the Scot will continue to stalk him, that the manager he fell out with over lifestyle and tactics will somehow retain an influence over him at Carrington and Old Trafford. Such thinking is offensive to David Moyes.
Rooney should know that Moyes is his own man, who may occasionally phone his predecessor for advice but is quite capable of managing on his own.
Ferguson himself is too respectful of Moyes, and too busy doing other things, not least recovering from a hip operation, to want to play Banquo’s Ghost and have Rooney choking on his grilled sea bass in the Carrington canteen. Talking of fish, Rooney’s Ferguson argument is what Baldrick used to call a dead herring.
Not one of life’s intellectuals, Rooney is certainly not a fool. He needs to listen to Moyes and others at United. Moyes wants him to stay. The Glazers want him to stay.
As an enduring footballing force, Rooney is definitely worth keeping.
This is not a great United side and they would be distinctly poorer without Rooney, not simply for his goals but the high-class assistance he gave Van Persie. Exhibit A: Rooney’s pass for Van Persie’s second against Aston Villa at Old Trafford.
If some inevitable tension exists between Rooney and Moyes over the impasse, maybe Ryan Giggs could tell Rooney what an important role he will play under Moyes, dovetailing with Van Persie. For all the qualities of Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez, United’s best attack remains the Van Persie-Rooney axis.
Rooney to Chelsea would damage the champions significantly. United would not be able to lure back Cristiano Ronaldo, who looks certain to sign a new deal at Real Madrid.
Chelsea look powerful enough to win the title already; they could prove irresistible if Rooney joined, becoming the prolific target-man supported by Juan Mata, Eden Hazard and Oscar.
As a commercial force, Rooney is definitely worth keeping. He is England’s icon and that’s a money-spinner for United. He sells shirts around the world, confirmed in the latest Premier League figures showing him second only to Van Persie.
He should forget Ferguson and analyse the situation properly, short-term and long-term. He must see how former players stay on in assorted capacities at United whether coaching (Giggs), in-house media (Paddy Crerand), ambassadorial (Bryan Robson and Peter Schmeichel) or boardroom (Charlton).
That happens to an extent at Chelsea but Rooney really would be leaving a family, almost a religion, if he stepped away from United. It is a huge step, one that he will be reminded of for the rest of his life.
He really should talk to Giggs, who has progressed on to the coaching side and could easily mature into Moyes’s successor.
Rooney could stay loyal to United, winning over his critics in the Stretford End, enjoying a testimonial next year and winning many more friends by giving the proceeds to charity.
Rooney should care about his reputation. For the most high-profile Englishman footballer in the country’s most high-profile sport, Rooney does not enjoy the greatest of public images. That is sad. He is genuinely likeable.
But enough of the Fergie decoy. He will bump into him again soon enough. Rooney’s horse, Switcharooney, finished seventh in the final race at Wolverhampton on Monday, 11 lengths behind the winner, but might one day compete against Ferguson’s.
The sight of the pair of them side by side, rivals on the rails at some racetrack, urging their horses home, would be a photographer’s dream.
Rooney should consign to history his ire at being dropped by Ferguson. He is hardly the first. Schmeichel was crazily left out against Barcelona in 1994 (because Ferguson had to deal with the 3+2 rule) and his English replacement, Gary Walsh, was humiliated by Romario and Hristo Stoichkov.
Schmeichel did not forget Ferguson’s decision but he got on with it.
Rooney’s current situation becomes increasingly undignified. If he is to leave United, he should do it with a touch more class. He is suddenly suffering pre-game injuries.
The publicity poster for his planned return in Stockholm tonight screamed “Back’’. “Shoulder” would have been more accurate.
As he sits at home, Rooney should think more about United, and less about Ferguson.
It's the same sewerage in a different mug. He even takes the piss out of the ludicrousness that his craft has descended into.
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@Malachians as far as I am aware @rioferdy5 hasn't indicated that he is angry. Nor has anyone elsThis is on the Sky Transfer web page, just where the papers got the info from it does not say.
Reports in plenty of papers this morning claim many Manchester United players want David Moyes to sell Wayne Rooney after the club rejected a second bid fromChelsea for the striker. Meanwhile, The Guardian reports that Rooney is prepared to hand in a formal transfer request to force a move away from Old Trafford.
Reports in plenty of papers this morning claim many Manchester United players want David Moyes to sell Wayne Rooney after the club rejected a second bid fromChelsea for the striker. Meanwhile, The Guardian reports that Rooney is prepared to hand in a formal transfer request to force a move away from Old Trafford.
I agree with this , once he goes I for one wont care what he does.
Depends how he behaves. Keane and Tevez received a lot of hate for the things they said and did after they left. Ronaldo has been nothing but exemplary in showing his gratitude and respect towards the club. As others have mentioned recently, Ronaldo's exit was filled with as many utterances of the word 'cnut' and bitterness as anyone's.
I really don't see Rooney wanting to make a fresh start as a reason for hate and am fairly certain that Fergie was more than happy to help him out the door.
If he stays them he's the most hated player the club isn't he? Maybe ever?
I still think we will sign him for 40 mil this transfer window. I predict a transfer request to be rejected and another few weeks of leaked bollocks in the papers before he finally leaves the dark side
Also, "winners don't hate"? If that's true (it's not) then there can be many winners on this place.
I still think we will sign him for 40 mil this transfer window. I predict a transfer request to be rejected and another few weeks of leaked bollocks in the papers before he finally leaves the dark side
Also, "winners don't hate"? If that's true (it's not) then there can be many winners on this place.
Is Rooney willing to hand in a transfer request?
I doubt it - he will be essentially giving up the last two years of his contract - does he really want to get away that much? I'm not so sure - if he wanted to surely he would have handed in the request by now - we've been adamant since April/May that Rooney wasn't for sale and that will have been communicated to Wayne himself I'm sure
he is an idiot the way he has gone about things - he needs to either buckle down or have the conviction to hand in the transfer request
Its just a shame as I can't think of many players who can do what Rooney does and might be available
I doubt it - he will be essentially giving up the last two years of his contract - does he really want to get away that much? I'm not so sure - if he wanted to surely he would have handed in the request by now - we've been adamant since April/May that Rooney wasn't for sale and that will have been communicated to Wayne himself I'm sure
he is an idiot the way he has gone about things - he needs to either buckle down or have the conviction to hand in the transfer request
Its just a shame as I can't think of many players who can do what Rooney does and might be available
I wouldn't hate Rooney wanting to leave (for Chelsea). I'm just frustrated that we haven't sorted it out yet. There have been reports (who knows if true) that Moyes has had discussions with Rooney 5 or 6 times. I don't know WTF there is to talk about. If Rooney wishes to leave for Chelsea, then we should let him go for no less than £40m. And if we are so obsessed about his "strengthening" a competitor, then we can at least insist on his not playing against us at OT on 26 August.
For me, he has regressed. It's no good pointing out that he had a good season last year "considering"...
If we have to replace Rooney with another forward, fine, start looking. It will also be an opportunity to give Welbeck and Chicharito more matches.
More, let's not let the Rooney saga side-track the more important issue - getting a top class central-midfielder that will allow us to be competitive in the Champions League. We appear to be fecking things in that objective too.
Imagine Moyes gives him the arm band for the season.. A stroke of genius that would be
.What actually happens if a player hands in a transfer request? They lose some kind of "loyalty bonus"? Fernando Torres handed one in just before the move, for example.
How big are the entitlements that they forgoe?
How big are the entitlements that they forgoe?
Yes thats basically the gist of it.
If the club decide to sell a player before his contract expires, they have to pay his entire contract off before he can leave. (or usually settle a fee)
If they hand in a transfer request they basically forfit that commitment - you can see why we are wanting him to initiate the first move. Rooney's money on 200k a week for 2 years is a huge amount to just wave.
If he's going to get two years wages paid out then why would Chelsea not offer the money if they were serious? It's not as though we the caftards know these things and the people that are actually buying/selling the player don't?
If Wayne handed in a request and Chelsea said we'll attach a couple of zeros somewhere to pay for it. Then I don't really get why there are problems.
(Of course that is tapping up in the end I guess).
Rooney is contracted until 2015, at which point he will be 29 going-on 30. We don't want to sell him to a title rival, certainly not for ~£30m. He's still a good striker, even if moody, capable of getting double-figures even when unfit/playing out of position.
If we wait, he potentially hands in a transfer request and possibly triggers a bidding war, which would open our options. If nothing happens, then we may as well just let him run down his contract rather than hand Chelsea the title. Having spent close to £0 in this transfer market, we don't need the cash, either.
So all-in-all, I think it's in our interests to wait, no matter what. He certainly shouldn't be leaving for a fee similar to van Persie with twice the duration on his contract remaining.
I think we hold more cards than Rooney or Chelsea, and we should be using them.
If we wait, he potentially hands in a transfer request and possibly triggers a bidding war, which would open our options. If nothing happens, then we may as well just let him run down his contract rather than hand Chelsea the title. Having spent close to £0 in this transfer market, we don't need the cash, either.
So all-in-all, I think it's in our interests to wait, no matter what. He certainly shouldn't be leaving for a fee similar to van Persie with twice the duration on his contract remaining.
I think we hold more cards than Rooney or Chelsea, and we should be using them.
Well it makes no difference to Chelsea really. They will still have to stump up a 4 year contract at stupid money, obviously they also want to pay the least amount possible.
Rooney being the greedy little shit he is, will probably sit it out and try to force a move by being as difficult as possible until its literally his last chance. Its a waiting game I suppose!.
But they don't really have to pay the least amount possible. This is where I find the details a bit sketchy. Of course Mourinho needs a striker and wants Rooney that is no secret. He bid but for a bit of a joke amount. The club has said no sale at any amount.
If he really wanted to then his second bid would have been a serious bid. It's the couple of million that so called 'greedy bastard Wayne' wants that makes no sense to me. Chelsea can afford to pay it, United certainly could if there were any problems. Surely a few little tidbits have been lost along the way and bollocks have been spouted by the media? I'd not even put it past Mourinho to be bidding for a bit of a wum such is the eccentricity of the man.
It just keeps leading me to believe that there has been no change in the situation other than Rooney will stay (post second bid) and everything the club has said (shock horror) is actually true. But don't let me get in the way of the conspiracy theorists and doomsayers.
edit; Even though I've picked up bits and pieces from this thread from what the general consensus here is that the player is a greedy cnut for doing something that we as fans might not even know is true because there hasn't been any concrete evidence? It seems alien to me. A bit weird.
But that is more than likely because I haven't read a shred of paper-talk that hasn't had proper quotes on it that have been narrowed down by the lads on here.
If Chel$ki were happy to pay £50 million for Torres then they can pay £70 million for Rooney.
Can you imagine if despite accepting a fee like that, we still fail to bring somebody in?
The Caf would die.
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