Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
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I mean if you take all the fan speculation away, media bollocks quotes or not, our own personal speculated opinions on everything it (to me) boils down to 'contract up in two years; how can I get the best deal for Wayne Rooney'.

The media is a volatile environment and a lot gets lied about, mis-represented and truth construed whichever way possible. I am just saying I haven't really read anything in depth on 'what people are saying, what has been said, what could Rooney be thinking..' he either signs a new contract or he leaves - this year or next. The club as a whole sum benefits more or less in a scale in accordance with him leaving (cash now, cash later, no fee, no bonus to him etc etc).

Financially the club may take a hit but we're talking about a club not stupid about managing it's money. Nothing imo from the club from here (or even when fergus said WR would think about it) will be done in a 'feck it lets just sell him' kind of way which the fans go into forming their opinion already pre-concieving. Like WR is a piece of property in a commercial sense that can be traded like a commodity. There are a world of potential problems from selling him from cash and in the other basket there are problems in the opposite if we keep him.

I think the club is smart enough to work through this and find out what the best course of action is. I still think it's bizarre that every little detail and skerrick of information is being combed over by some fans to find some substance in the 'saga'. It's a bit frightening.
 
I personally think he will start at Swansea if he's still at the club by then and got himself fit and ready for the new season
 
Am I the only one that's completely confused by what's gone on the past month or so regarding Rooney? Moyes' said he'd be needed if RVP got injured which I assumed was intended to put Rooney in his place and perhaps force him to hand in a transfer request. These comments unsurprisingly upset the easily confused and angered Rooney and by all reports he wants away. Then we come out and reiterate that he is a required player. What the feck is going on :wenger::wenger: ?!?!

I'm not used to Lizardman's ways yet and don't understand what he's trying to accomplish with Rooney. Did he mean his comments not to upset Rooney? Surely he's aware of the player's extremely limited cognitive function and the likelihood of him taking offense to the comments in question. Does the club want him to go or stay? I'm fecking confused. I don't even know what I want now, all these mind games their playing in the media have cooked my noodle :confused:
 
ninety said:
Am I the only one that's completely confused by what's gone on the past month or so regarding Rooney? Moyes' said he'd be needed if RVP got injured which I assumed was intended to put Rooney in his place and perhaps force him to hand in a transfer request. These comments unsurprisingly upset the easily confused and angered Rooney and by all reports he wants away. Then we come out and reiterate that he is a required player. What the feck is going on :wenger::wenger: ?!?!

I'm not used to Lizardman's ways yet and don't understand what he's trying to accomplish with Rooney. Did he mean his comments not to upset Rooney? Surely he's aware of the player's extremely limited cognitive function and the likelihood of him taking offense to the comments in question. Does the club want him to go or stay? I'm fecking confused. I don't even know what I want now, all these mind games their playing in the media have cooked my noodle :confused:
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I assumed at the time that Moyes meant he would need Rooney as the no.9 if RVP was out, but that Rooney could also play no.10 or other positions.

Although now I'm more inclined to believe that it was in order to make Rooney either hand in an official transfer request or accept his role. Until Rooney hands in an official transfer request then publicly United will keep saying that he is not for sale, forcing Rooney's hand.
 
It's inevitable Rooney's going to act more and more difficult the closer we get to deadline day. Stretford will probably make sure a few nasty things are leaked/said in public as well. At the end of the day, we have to decide if all the disruption is worth keeping a player on such high wages who has lost all motivation to play for us. These situations always end with the player leaving.
 
Rowem said:
I assumed at the time that Moyes meant he would need Rooney as the no.9 if RVP was out, but that Rooney could also play no.10 or other positions.

Although now I'm more inclined to believe that it was in order to make Rooney either hand in an official transfer request or accept his role. Until Rooney hands in an official transfer request then publicly United will keep saying that he is not for sale, forcing Rooney's hand.
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I guess they're trying to force him to hand in a transfer request. But I don't understand why they didn't just tell him he could move on if he wanted to. I don't understand why each party is waiting for the other to say they want out. If I were Rooney and I were unhappy and wanted to play for Chelsea why not hand in the transfer request? Is he that worried about what people will think of him if he does? It's not like hes got an impeccable reputation to protect. It almost seems like the club and Rooney are in a game of high-stakes bluff, each waiting for the other to falter. Personally I think its a waste, if he wants out ship him off.

Do things need to be this convoluted?
 
ninety said:
I guess they're trying to force him to hand in a transfer request. But I don't understand why they didn't just tell him he could move on if he wanted to. I don't understand why each party is waiting for the other to say they want out. If I were Rooney and I were unhappy and wanted to play for Chelsea why not hand in the transfer request? Is he that worried about what people will think of him if he does? It's not like hes got an impeccable reputation to protect. It almost seems like the club and Rooney are in a game of high-stakes bluff, each waiting for the other to falter. Personally I think its a waste, if he wants out ship him off.

Do things need to be this convoluted?
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I want him gone but not to Chelsea, you just know he'll have a 30 goal season and win them the league, no amount of money is worth that.
 
LOL Rooney's story has changed again. In today's Times its reported he's angry at Ed Woodward for not starting new contract negotiations, no mention of fears about Fergie's influence. :lol: Seriously how much is Wayne paying his PR people? Changes his tune every 24 hours and expects us to believe him! Needs someone better to brief the press for him. After this mess though I'm not even sure Olivia Pope could make sense of his 'reasons' to the general public. :lol:
 
Mondays headline: Rooney loves Utd but has to leave as he is allergic to the grass at OT
Tuesday: Rooney doesnt want to leave Utd but his mum and dad say he must or he gets no tea.
Wednesday: rooney wants to leave utd as the english press are so mean to him and a new country like london is just what he needs
Thursday: Im a grown up, why cannt I do whatever I like?
Friday: Rooney found dead in hotel room with a single shot to the head and the equaliser intro on a loop on the tv.
 
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LOL Rooney's story has changed again. In today's Times its reported he's angry at Ed Woodward for not starting new contract negotiations, no mention of fears about Fergie's influence. :lol: Seriously how much is Wayne paying his PR people? Changes his tune every 24 hours and expects us to believe him! Needs someone better to brief the press for him. After this mess though I'm not even sure Olivia Pope could make sense of his 'reasons' to the general public. :lol:
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FFS is there anybody this prick is not unhappy with, I for one will be happy when he is gone from the club.
 
Castia said:
I want him gone but not to Chelsea, you just know he'll have a 30 goal season and win them the league, no amount of money is worth that.
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Its an odd one, I don't really get this train of thought, surely the reason why we've ended up with us in this situation with Rooney is from a slow build up of him not really performing at the right level consistently enough over the last few seasons, which led us to get rvp to be the new taslisman striker. I'm sure there may be a little bit of fergie/the club moving him on now getting him back for 2010 but I think if he had been performing well enough often enough since then it would have been swept over completely. Having said that I also think fergie thought that he and rvp would become a great combo.

I don't think there was any suggestion that Rooney has been unhappy at united these last fe years, it really does seem to be from the Real game onwards that its emerged. So I don't see why moving to Chelsea will suddenly motovate him to change his lifestyle or find the consistency to his game he's been lacking.

But then I would rather keep him in case he can get back to his old self or failing that just because even if he's not at his best he still brings a fair bit to the team, capable of producing something without playing well. Still I don't think we should be worries about selling him if the price is right. He fell out of our team because he wasn't playing well enough so I don't think we should be worries about him at another club.

Plus there are other players Chelsea can get who can be the finisher they need of they don't have rooneys alround game. I guess then it becomes really how much we rate Rooneys ability to get back to his best/ settle back at the club. If we don't surely it's better for us to move him off at the best price to us so we can reinvest as best we can, rather than then buying someone else and us now either having to sell him at a cut price or keep him when he doesn't want to be here.
 
ninety said:
I guess they're trying to force him to hand in a transfer request. But I don't understand why they didn't just tell him he could move on if he wanted to. I don't understand why each party is waiting for the other to say they want out. If I were Rooney and I were unhappy and wanted to play for Chelsea why not hand in the transfer request? Is he that worried about what people will think of him if he does? It's not like hes got an impeccable reputation to protect. It almost seems like the club and Rooney are in a game of high-stakes bluff, each waiting for the other to falter. Personally I think its a waste, if he wants out ship him off.

Do things need to be this convoluted?
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Because of his loyalty fee. Now I don't know how much these things usually are outside of FM but fabregas' was £4m (may be euros). After the last 2010 debacle we were probably happy to put a decent one in, let's say for arguments sake £6M.
Now, after all the fecking around United won't want to sell him to a rival and pay him 6m for the pleasure.
He puts in official transfer request, which he seems to be trying very hard to avoid then I think we would be willing to sell.
Still two years left on contract, no panic yet.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
What the feck?
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Its an old joke about the guardian. They used to be seen as a left wing socialist paper with loads of spelling mistakes. So people called it the grauniad (anagram).

1970's humour. .. brilliant eh?
 
Actually the worry about saf influence at united could be the first step in reconciliation. He can stress the reason he was poor last season was saf, and he was just worried it would continue. Then we put an arm around him and tell him is going to be Ok etc and he agrees to stay.
It's the public image he always wants us to believe, that he's a player that needs an arn round him every now and again
 
Dracula said:
Actually the worry about saf influence at united could be the first step in reconciliation. He can stress the reason he was poor last season was saf, and he was just worried it would continue. Then we put an arm around him and tell him is going to be Ok etc and he agrees to stay.
It's the public image he always wants us to believe, that he's a player that needs an arn round him every now and again
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Why would we do that? He's acting like an absolute cnut, he can feck off.
 
Ash_G said:
Its an odd one, I don't really get this train of thought, surely the reason why we've ended up with us in this situation with Rooney is from a slow build up of him not really performing at the right level consistently enough over the last few seasons, which led us to get rvp to be the new taslisman striker. I'm sure there may be a little bit of fergie/the club moving him on now getting him back for 2010 but I think if he had been performing well enough often enough since then it would have been swept over completely. Having said that I also think fergie thought that he and rvp would become a great combo.

I don't think there was any suggestion that Rooney has been unhappy at united these last fe years, it really does seem to be from the Real game onwards that its emerged. So I don't see why moving to Chelsea will suddenly motovate him to change his lifestyle or find the consistency to his game he's been lacking.

But then I would rather keep him in case he can get back to his old self or failing that just because even if he's not at his best he still brings a fair bit to the team, capable of producing something without playing well. Still I don't think we should be worries about selling him if the price is right. He fell out of our team because he wasn't playing well enough so I don't think we should be worries about him at another club.

Plus there are other players Chelsea can get who can be the finisher they need of they don't have rooneys alround game. I guess then it becomes really how much we rate Rooneys ability to get back to his best/ settle back at the club. If we don't surely it's better for us to move him off at the best price to us so we can reinvest as best we can, rather than then buying someone else and us now either having to sell him at a cut price or keep him when he doesn't want to be here.
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You see I don't get your thinking either. People seem to be acting like he's turned into Torres and is completely useless, the season before last he bagged 30 goals, we all know last year wasn't his best but he still contributed to the team even though there were obvious problems (played out of position and just generally looked unhappy with playing second fiddle to RVP).

He's had a couple of these 'dodgy' seasons in the past and always come back to his high standards, he actually returned to pre season this year looking slim and fitter then ever, shame he got an injury. I'd say there's a far greater chance, probably even more so if he moves to Chelsea of him reaching a higher level of play than getting worse from here, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he bagged 30 goals next season.
 
Dracula said:
Because of his loyalty fee. Now I don't know how much these things usually are outside of FM but fabregas' was £4m (may be euros). After the last 2010 debacle we were probably happy to put a decent one in, let's say for arguments sake £6M.
Now, after all the fecking around United won't want to sell him to a rival and pay him 6m for the pleasure.
He puts in official transfer request, which he seems to be trying very hard to avoid then I think we would be willing to sell.
Still two years left on contract, no panic yet.
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Ahh thank you for explaining that. It makes much more sense now. So basically if he doesn't hand in a transfer request we've got to pay him the loyalty bonus and if he hands one in we don't. Now I see why he's not willing to make it official despite him clearly wanting out. This has got his agent written all over it. I would've thought his agent's primary concern would be finding him the best possible club to join, not haggling over loyalty bonus. If I were Wayne I would be looking to move as soon as possible if I were unhappy and wanting to move to Chelsea. Is the loyalty bonus really worth it?
 
ninety said:
Ahh thank you for explaining that. It makes much more sense now. So basically if he doesn't hand in a transfer request we've got to pay him the loyalty bonus and if he hands one in we don't. Now I see why he's not willing to make it official despite him clearly wanting out. This has got his agent written all over it. I would've thought his agent's primary concern would be finding him the best possible club to join, not haggling over loyalty bonus. If I were Wayne I would be looking to move as soon as possible if I were unhappy and wanting to move to Chelsea. Is the loyalty bonus really worth it?
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Exactly, which is why I'm starting to believe it's more about money
 
One of my mates was saying the other day that Rooney had some clause where if he is sold without him making a transfer request (ie. Against his wishes) then he gets a percentage of his transfer fee. Might explain the current situation and why we seem to be waiting for a formal request, with him trying to make out he's being forced out.
 
pocco said:
One of my mates was saying the other day that Rooney had some clause where if he is sold without him making a transfer request (ie. Against his wishes) then he gets a percentage of his transfer fee. Might explain the current situation and why we seem to be waiting for a formal request, with him trying to make out he's being forced out.
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I think that is quite common isn't it? I thought the players and agent usually get 10% of the fee as a signing bonus or something like that, but if they put in a transfer request they give that up?

That could be bollocks though
 
pocco said:
One of my mates was saying the other day that Rooney had some clause where if he is sold without him making a transfer request (ie. Against his wishes) then he gets a percentage of his transfer fee. Might explain the current situation and why we seem to be waiting for a formal request, with him trying to make out he's being forced out.
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Its called a loyalty fee. What we have just been discussing about 3 posts above ^^^

;-)
 
It'd be pretty ironic if a player who has wanted out for a few months got a £5m+ loyalty bonus for forcing a move to our league rival. I say let's wait until he puts in a transfer request, subsequently giving up on any bonus he may receive, or let him run down his contract.
 
I was under the impression that these loyalty bonuses weren't a fixed percentage of the transfer fee and that Rooneys bonus was different. Mind you, the £6 mill bonuses that you are discussing are a lot higher than what he'd get in the scenario I'm talking about. A 10% bonus on a £25-30 mill fee is only £2.5-3 mill. We're actually better off this way!
 
pocco said:
I was under the impression that these loyalty bonuses weren't a fixed percentage of the transfer fee and that Rooneys bonus was different. Mind you, the £6 mill bonuses that you are discussing are a lot higher than what he'd get in the scenario I'm talking about. A 10% bonus on a £25-30 mill fee is only £2.5-3 mill. We're actually better off this way!
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It could be either, I have no idea. I was just speculating the reason for him not putting in transfer request. Could be a percentage, could be a figure, same principle
 
The 10% signing on fee is just a standard clause that all players have in their contracts, a loyalty bonus might be something on top of that.
 
Theon said:
The 10% signing on fee is just a standard clause that all players have in their contracts, a loyalty bonus might be something on top of that.
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The signing on fee is something different to what I'm talking about. That's what the buying club pays the player, isn't it? I'm talking about us having to pay Rooney a percentage of whatever Chelsea would pay us for him.
 
pocco said:
The signing on fee is something different to what I'm talking about.
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Ah right so it's on top of that then.

I had a look online and the 10% of transfer fee does seem to be the standard rule, but it gets waived if you put in a transfer request. So if he gets sold for £40million that is £4million he would be giving up, plus whatever fee you are talking about.
 
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