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anyone know when Mourinho's press conference is and also a link?
I genuinely think we would've won it without it him.
Wake me up when August ends.
Rooney was shite, by his standards, last season. Ferguson pretty much confirmed as much, what's so difficult to believe about that?
Hard to prove or disprove but I doubt it. He was solid in midfield and he chipped in with a decent goal return. I don't see how you replace his quality.
Relative to what? Van Persie?
City, Fulham, Stoke, Southampton, Reading home, Reading away are all games where his goals were directly needed for us to win the match off the top of my head. That's before we account for him being our highest assist-er and make allowances for the fact he was out injured for a couple of lengthy spells.
Rooney was shite, by his standards, last season. Ferguson pretty much confirmed as much, what's so difficult to believe about that?
Saying Rooney was shite is different from saying he made minimal contribution which is just a load of dog crap
Exactly this. People saying we're dragging our feet over the price. £20m is laughable.
If Chelsea, who spend money for fun, want him, they have to fecking pay for him. He's averaged 20 goals a season for nearly a decade. He's worth more now than what we got him for. He had a lean season last year and still pitched in with goals and assists. Strengthening a title rival for a bid of less than £35m does one thing - it lets Wayne Rooney win, because he gets his way, and Chelsea get their man on the cheap. feck that.
Rooney was shite, by his standards, last season. Ferguson pretty much confirmed as much, what's so difficult to believe about that?
Yep!
Cheers man, won't be watching but will like to know what's said!
Mourinho presser should be interesting..
You understand the word 'minimal', don't you?
Exactly people are forgetting his contribution now which is unfair. More Cleverely in midfield?? With the poor wing play and the inability we had to control matches the rest of the squad would not have won the league without Rooney.
Which is worse? Both amount to the same thing. His contribution was minimal considering he's our highest earner and supposed best player (I actually think he is).
It's pretty simple, other players will step up, or we will buy better players. It's the same situation when we lost Ruud and everyone questioned where the goals would come from. Others stepped up. We were in a harder position I feel when Ronaldo left us, and he was a far bigger influence on our team than Rooney currently is, yet we've known great success since his exit too. We might not be able to bring in a player who can outright replace Rooney - as we didn't with Ronaldo - but the team will make up for his loss as a whole.
Perfectly. You don't though
Well, for me, Rooney contributed as little as I've ever seen last season. Minimal.
Where has this £20m figure come from? I doubt Chelsea would make a pointless bid like that, If they're serious the bid will probably be over £30m.
Rooney was second only to RVP in terms of Goals/Assists in our squad. Not minimal
Relative to what is expected off him, both by fans and the manager.
Goals arent the be all and end all, it's quite conceivable that had someone played instead of Rooney in those games ey would've scored and we still would've won. Don't think you can say the same about players like RVP, Carrick, De Gea, Rio or Rafel for example.
I didnt see anything 'irreplaceable' from Rooney at all last year, genuine opinion.
Rooney's an old 27/28 though as is the case with many physically over-developed teen prodigies. Van Persie by contrast is like a 10-year-old motor with 10k on the clock.
I really hope we get a mata swap in this deal somehow. A front three of Mata RVP and Kagawa would really be special.
No that is not what he said. He said his contribution was minimal, meaning take Rooney out and we would still win the league. It's not the same situation because Ruud was already on the bench before he left and we had Ronaldo AND rooney emerging where is the Rooney or Ronaldo level talent in the team that just won the league?
We are not talking about next season we are talking about the season that has passed??
Ian McGarry on Twitter.
It'll be a bid to open negotiations and show interest is serious. Same as us and ^ that Spanish kid.
In the interest of fairness this isn't really a point at all. He made like 50 appearances or summat that season, he was only benched for a few games towards the end, like Rooney.
We've also got to the consider the fact that he could well injure himself upon joining Chelsea, an injury to the start of the season would keep him out longer than most.
akash02 is right in my opinion. Not minimal at all. Perhaps by his own extraordinarily high standards but not minimal compared to others. Is this just semantics?
I have no idea what you are talking about. I think I misread your post, I was responding purely to the part of your post which questioned how we replace his quality. I assumed that was a question for next season, rather than the season just gone by, given it doesn't make much sense in that context.
Point about Ruud though, he played the second highest amount of games in a season over his whole career for us, in that final season. You make it sound like he barely played a part.
Also we lost Ronaldo but still had Rooney. Likewise we have lost Rooney, but still have RVP. The difference being unlike when Ronaldo left, RVP has already outperformed Wayne in his final season (if he does go), and that losing Ronaldo was obviously a bigger deal, yet we survived and prospered just fine.
No we where already building towards Ruud not being a key part of the team is my point. Saying 'Ruud left and we did fine' doesn't validate this Rooney situation, Rooney right now is more important than Ruud was when he left. Ruud was benched for Saha, benched for the league cup final he was on his way out, we wanted a quicker attack. Rooney was benched once the title was won.
On top of that we had a young Rooney and a young Ronaldo who where emerging that season to soften the blow, which they both did. Who in the team will do that for us now? Cleverely? Young? Welbeck? Don't hold it against me if they don't strike me with the same confidence.
Quite the amazing contrast isn't it? From the post on the 1st page to the posts on the last few days!
He asked if we thought we would've won the league without Rooney last year. I suggested I thought we would've because though he did chip in with a few goals etc, I don't think he was particularly outstanding and think his contribution could've been replaced by any number of different options.
You did misread it. We where talking about last season and how minimal his contribution was. I said it would be hard to prove or disprove if we would have one without him but I believe we wouldn't have.
The second half just started in Chelsea's game according to SS so we should hear something from Mourinho soon enough. If the club did troll them then I think it's fair enough, feck Chelsea the perennial player unsettlers.
Looking at the Rooney deal though you can really see that he'd be a Mourinho type player, big, strong, potentially athletic and very able to conjure a goal from no-where. I wonder how far we can push them?
Looking at the Rooney deal though you can really see that he'd be a Mourinho type player, big, strong, potentially athletic and very able to conjure a goal from no-where. I wonder how far we can push them?
In all politeness, I think you're either mental or seriously underrating Mata my friend. There are certain "special " in the world of football, signing them (despite being an investment therefore a risk) is a no brainer. Mata belongs to that category. Besides it's not like he's a total unknown quantity, you can see how good of a player he is and how it wouldn't be difficult for him to gel with the rest of the team.
How could Mata not fit in at United ? It's not like we're not talking about Fellaini or Andy Carroll, more or less limited players who would/could excel in one system of play.
Whats the rumoured bid, if its not 10 mill plus a player?
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