Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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ISSYNAZAR said:
For it to make economical and football sense, Torres money all day long. Any less and we're not gaining anything.
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In a football world where Torres is worth £50m, Andy Carroll is the most 'valued' British footballer of all time at £35m, and where Wayne Rooney as a spotty teenager was worth £25m+, selling him to a PL rival is going to have to be crazy money. £35m is an absolute minimum for me. £20m is nothing short of an insult, i'd rather he saw out his contract at home than sell him for that.

To strengthen a direct rival, i think we should be telling Chelsea we want £45m for him.

I can see this dragging on until deadline day, to be honest. Rooney revived at Chelsea would be a scary prospect though and with the Mourinho factor back you'd have to put them at favourites to stroll the league.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
In a football world where Torres is worth £50m, Andy Carroll is the most 'valued' British footballer of all time at £35m, and where Wayne Rooney as a spotty teenager was worth £25m+, selling him to a PL rival is going to have to be crazy money. £35m is an absolute minimum for me. £20m is nothing short of an insult, i'd rather he saw out his contract at home than sell him for that.

To strengthen a direct rival, i think we should be telling Chelsea we want £45m for them.

I can see this dragging on until deadline day, to be honest. Rooney revived at Chelsea would be a scary prospect though and with the Mourinho factor back you'd have to put them at favourites to stroll the league.
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That's exactly why taking one of their best players is pivotal.
 
ecantona7 said:
Shhh...it's only good to low ball when it's united doing it :D
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What are you talking about?

The majority of people here lost their shit about it and labelled the club as embarrassing. Don't try and look for hypocrisy when there's not.
 
JaffyJoe said:
We won't get the money you guys are looking at.
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We won't sell him unless we get a value that changes our stance from not wanting to sell.

You don't sell a 5 time premier league winner with a 1 in 2 goal record for his actual value. You screw the shit out of the buyer otherwise it's not worthwhile in any shape or form.

Flogging him for £25m would be absolutely scandalous and there would be no economic benefit nor any football reasons to justify it.
 
LR7 said:
I don't actually see what there is to enjoy here. It's all a bit juvenile and it's not like any of this bullshit is progressive, or is helping to sort out our midfield area. It's unnecessary drama when we actually need to be making constructive steps forward in this transfer window.
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Its tit-for-tat, but not juvenile. High class comedy this.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
In a football world where Torres is worth £50m, Andy Carroll is the most 'valued' British footballer of all time at £35m, and where Wayne Rooney as a spotty teenager was worth £25m+, selling him to a PL rival is going to have to be crazy money. £35m is an absolute minimum for me. £20m is nothing short of an insult, i'd rather he saw out his contract at home than sell him for that.

To strengthen a direct rival, i think we should be telling Chelsea we want £45m for him.

I can see this dragging on until deadline day, to be honest. Rooney revived at Chelsea would be a scary prospect though and with the Mourinho factor back you'd have to put them at favourites to stroll the league.
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Exactly. I think this is the reasoning behind the clubs, "We're willing to see a contract out" stance. We hold the cards this time around. If anything can be learned from Arsenal selling us RVP, we should be very shrewd when we consider offers from other English clubs. £45m++
 
KM said:
Yes I'm sure all this is stopping us from making any constructive steps in the transfer window.

Chelsea and their players have been openly tapping up Wayne Rooney in the last month or so, why should the club just let it go quietly?
or do you think that the board is incapable of doing more than one thing at this time.

It's incredible how people tend to link everything with a midfield signing.
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Of course we can do more than one thing, I just don't get the delight with irritating Chelsea for all of five minutes. It seems small time. Stooping to their level. What does it actually achieve?

Considering this is all about movements in this transfer window, the one I think we should be prioritising is signing a CM.
 
KM said:
Yes I'm sure all this is stopping us from making any constructive steps in the transfer window.

Chelsea and their players have been openly tapping up Wayne Rooney in the last month or so, why should the club just let it go quietly?
or do you think that the board is incapable of doing more than one thing at this time.

It's incredible how people tend to link everything with a midfield signing.
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All top clubs tap players up. You think we're worse than you for it? We might just have been a bit less subtle, until the Ashley Cole thing.

Van Persie will have been tapped up for starters.
 
marjen said:
They will walk the league if he signs.
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Not unless they make some more signings, they are currently poor in central midfield and defence. That front four would be excellent but the rest of the team isn't great. Can't see them walking the league at all.
 
ecantona7 said:
Sort of like 12 mil for baines. hmm...
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I think this is a fairer comparison than the Fabregas one bearing in mind what is believed of the sincerity of the prospective buyers in each case.

However i think most would agree that we are off by a little shy of a third of the opening bid, 4-6m will hopefully do the trick.

Do you think 8-10m would similarly satisfy United with Chelsea's status as a domestic rival and their greater need of a striker?

With their wealth, obvious requirements and recent bombast i think the shortfall is higher than a third.
 
TheRisingSun said:
All top clubs tap players up. You think we're worse than you for it? We might just have been a bit less subtle, until the Ashley Cole thing.

Van Persie will have been tapped up for starters.
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I didn't even mention that you're the worse than us in tapping up, I'm just saying that United shouldn't keep quiet if the tapping up is happening to it's own player.
 
Adzzz said:
He didn't invest out of the goodness of his heart, he invested because without a high profile he'd be sleeping in Putin's basement called the Baltic.
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Off topic I know, but he has some rather lumpy London property being touted about off market too.
 
LR7 said:
Of course we can do more than one thing, I just don't get the delight with irritating Chelsea for all of five minutes. It seems small time. Stooping to their level. What does it actually achieve?

Considering this is all about movements in this transfer window, the one I think we should be prioritising is signing a CM.
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and considering the interest in Thiago and the bid for Fabregas, that's exactly what we seem to be doing.
 
barros said:
Doesn't work that way if we don't sale him this year we may have a very furious player and next year would be his last contract year which makes his price very low, like or you let me go to Red Bulls for 10 mil or I just stay here another year making 200k a week and walk free as a bird to Monaco or PSG.
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Not if you get some of these big clubs all bidding against each other, this year absolutely no one except Chelsea have shown interested, they've not so much as even feigned interest, selling to Chelsea in such a pivotal year would be suicide and it would most certainly be below market value as only one team is interested and he had such an uninspiring year last year. If he did impress then we'd be in poll position to offer him an extended contract anyway.
 
KM said:
and considering the interest in Thiago and the bid for Fabregas, that's exactly what we seem to be doing.
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I'll reserve my euphoria for when we actually manage to do something of note in the transfer market (beyond just interest), rather than scoring a cheap shot against Chelsea.
Everyone getting excited and they'll probably end up with Rooney and Mata next season anyway.
 
KM said:
I didn't even mention that you're the worse than us in tapping up, I'm just saying that United shouldn't keep quiet if the tapping up is happening to it's own player.
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No, but fabricating offers about another team's players is bollocks as well. What makes you think that our players have been tapping him up, other than the fact that he has mates in our squad?

Mourinho has said that he's a United player but that he's a player who he admires and that he should play wherever he is happy.

It's clear that for whatever reason Rooney wants out and has done for some time.
 
LR7 said:
I'll reserve my euphoria for when we actually manage to do something of note in the transfer market (beyond just interest), rather than scoring a cheap shot against Chelsea.
Everyone getting excited and they'll probably end up with Rooney and Mata next season anyway.
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Ifs and buts. Cheer up for a bit lad.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
We won't sell him unless we get a value that changes our stance from not wanting to sell.

You don't sell a 5 time premier league winner with a 1 in 2 goal record for his actual value. You screw the shit out of the buyer otherwise it's not worthwhile in any shape or form.

Flogging him for £25m would be absolutely scandalous and there would be no economic benefit nor any football reasons to justify it.
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Then we won't sell him nobody's paying 40 million for Rooney. Keeping an unhappy player around makes little sense to me either his value will only go down as his contract gets closer to its end point. Take 25-30 million and be happy with it, Chelsea won't pay over the odds for a striker again.
 
I think Rooney to Chelsea without a swap involved would be a disaster for us. I already think Chelsea will win the league, but they'd stroll it with Rooney on board.

Oscar Lampard Hazard
Rooney Mata
Ba

Would be a fecking scary attacking line up.
 
LR7 said:
I'll reserve my euphoria for when we actually manage to do something of note in the transfer market (beyond just interest), rather than scoring a cheap shot against Chelsea.
Everyone getting excited and they'll probably end up with Rooney and Mata next season anyway.
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Nobody is showing any "euphoria" here, just quietly pleased about how the club has done this.

I suspect you're in mood for a pointless moan, so I'll let you continue without any interruption.
 
Tbf making up offers and leaking them to the press is a new low if this is true. Very UN-United like and not very good.
 
Kingcon said:
Exactly. I think this is the reasoning behind the clubs, "We're willing to see a contract out" stance. We hold the cards this time around. If anything can be learned from Arsenal selling us RVP, we should be very shrewd when we consider offers from other English clubs. £45m++
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Yep. RvP was 29, had a bad injury record prior to coming here and was in the last year of his contract. Rooney is 2 years younger, nowhere near as bad an injury record and still has 2 years left on his contract.

You can debate that RvP is a better player and so on, but RvP only showed that form consistently for 18 months prior to his Utd move. Prior to RvP's move to Utd, you could argue Rooney has so far shown more in his career to date. If we don't get atleast 35mil for Rooney (especially to a PL rival) we are really effing bad at basic economics and mathematics.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think Rooney to Chelsea without a swap involved would be a disaster for us. I already think Chelsea will win the league, but they'd stroll it with Rooney on board.

Oscar Lampard Hazard
Rooney Mata
Ba

Would be a fecking scary attacking line up.
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That would ship goals by the 100s
 
Carrick Fabregas​
Mata Kagawa Bale​
RVP​
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Get feck out​
 
TheRisingSun said:
No, but fabricating offers about another team's players is bollocks as well. What makes you think that our players have been tapping him up, other than the fact that he has mates in our squad?

Mourinho has said that he's a United player but that he's a player who he admires and that he should play wherever he is happy.

It's clear that for whatever reason Rooney wants out and has done for some time.
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The continuous statements from your players in public.

and btw just because Chelsea has said that they didn't offer any player doesn't make it true, clubs lie for their own benefit.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think Rooney to Chelsea without a swap involved would be a disaster for us. I already think Chelsea will win the league, but they'd stroll it with Rooney on board.

Oscar Lampard Hazard
Rooney Mata
Ba

Would be a fecking scary attacking line up.
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In ProEvolution or Fifa? This team would be unbalanced even for football manager, let alone on real life
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think Rooney to Chelsea without a swap involved would be a disaster for us. I already think Chelsea will win the league, but they'd stroll it with Rooney on board.

Oscar Lampard Hazard
Rooney Mata
Ba

Would be a fecking scary attacking line up.
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That's horrendous :lol:
 
What a load of shit, some of you really have no idea. If Chelsea sign Rooney they will still be a million miles from "strolling the league"
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think Rooney to Chelsea without a swap involved would be a disaster for us. I already think Chelsea will win the league, but they'd stroll it with Rooney on board.

Oscar Lampard Hazard
Rooney Mata
Ba

Would be a fecking scary attacking line up.
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Would you want Lampard to be United's primary defensive midfielder?
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think Rooney to Chelsea without a swap involved would be a disaster for us. I already think Chelsea will win the league, but they'd stroll it with Rooney on board.

Oscar Lampard Hazard
Rooney Mata
Ba

Would be a fecking scary attacking line up.
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What a shit looking team. Surely it'd be

Signing-Lampard/Ramires
Hazard-Oscar-Mata
Rooney.
 
KM said:
Nobody is showing any "euphoria" here, just quietly pleased about how the club has done this.

I suspect you're in mood for a pointless moan, so I'll let you continue without any interruption.
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KM said:
This is great fun, we've trolled them beautifully.


Also made to look Rooney a shithouse regarding his angry and confused status.
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I just don't see why trolling Chelsea should be 'celebrated' when its not actually progressive on our part in any way. Feel free to continue having "great fun" with it though.
 
Ive said it before and ill say it again.....the fact he counts Terry and Cashley as mates says all you need to know about what type of person he is.
 
Rudie said:
Not if you get some of these big clubs all bidding against each other, this year absolutely no one except Chelsea have shown interested, they've not so much as even feigned interest, selling to Chelsea in such a pivotal year would be suicide and it would most certainly be below market value as only one team is interested and he had such an uninspiring year last year. If he did impress then we'd be in poll position to offer him an extended contract anyway.
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Next year would be the WC year so for Rooney after that doesn't matter anymore and he may prefer to move to a better place in tax terms and weather (Monaco).
 
JaffyJoe said:
Then we won't sell him nobody's paying 40 million for Rooney. Keeping an unhappy player around makes little sense to me either his value will only go down as his contract gets closer to its end point. Take 25-30 million and be happy with it, Chelsea won't pay over the odds for a striker again.
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Care to explain how, in this market of over-inflated prices for English players being transferred between teams in the Premier League, Rooney is worth £10m less than Carroll and only £5m more than Henderson?

He's an exceptional player who will discover form when he's somewhere he wants to be. To say no-one will pay more than £30m for him means no-one will pay what he's truly worth. If that's the case then strengthening our nearest rivals whilst weakening ourselves is stupid and it's better he stays. Selling him to Arsenal or Spurs is a different story, but selling to Chelsea or City for less than £35m is retarded.
 
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