That's a myth, and was disproved by John O'Shea's account of Wayne's apology to his team-mates, in the club's official book of that season.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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That's a myth, and was disproved by John O'Shea's account of Wayne's apology to his team-mates, in the club's official book of that season.
To be fair, he was hardly going to tell his team mates that he meant it that they weren't good enough after he had signed a new contract.
true.Whats over the top?
Tevez caused problems one season/summer for us. Rooney is a repeat offender and you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think it'll stop here when he gets a payday each time he throws his toys out of the pram. Rooney did far more for the club but that doesn't mean he gets to treat it a similar way. The very strange part is that until the final months Tevez actually wanted to be here, shame Rooney hasnt felt the same way in recent years
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If you believe the papers rooney is denying he's handed in a transfer request and wants the club to come out and say he didn't hand one in.
fergie doesn't like being pissed off, look at Ruud, Stam and Beckham, kicked them all out of the club too soon, he was retiring so anything he said wouldn't be his problem anymore.
Your logic isn't up to scratch. He forced a move. We gave him more money. He stayed. We won the league.
His "ambitions" move makes him a bigger cnut, but how exactly does it make us a poorer team, hence hurting us - hence making Rooney a destructive force?
Correct. He never believed we lacked ambitions. He just believed he lacked a bit of cash. 'Twas a ploy and a scheme, fer shame - but he did apologize, as I like to point out.
Do you really think that Sir Alex Ferguson didnt care about leaving the club in a great condition when he left because "it wouldnt be his problem anymore" ?
Seems like it couldnt be further from the truth.
We won the league in spite of his hissy fit. And players outperformed him both before and after he had a little cry, see Vidic
The last time Rooney was adament he wanted to leave, its because he'd become our most important (attacking) player thanks to Ronaldo leaving. Vidic was still our best player. But having that extra focus on Rooney from the management and his results on the field led to Rooney having a big head. He decided it was an oppertune time to ask big questions about the clubs signings and the players we were surrounding him with.
This time Rooney asks to leave because his pride is hurt. He thinks he's too big of a star to be subbed off even though almost every top club on the planet that plays with someone in the hole tends to bring off that very same player regularly to protect them. See Ozil, Mata, etc.
Rooney didnt want to be the main man. And he doesn't currently want to be second fiddle to Van Persie.
Rooney doesnt know what the hell he wants, he just knows for sure that he wants to leave Manchester United.
Last time we "solved" the problem on the short term by shoving money in his face. But money doesn't guarantee happiness, not even for Rooney. So if he were to sign for Chelsea or City, he would only find the same thing there and would only cause the same problems.
These problems are absolutely nothing like the kind of problems Tevez has brought on City and Rooney will obviously never get to that level.
What are next week's lottery numbers?
So, in your opinion it wasn't necessary to give him a pay rise after his hissy fit (which was, it would seem - bizarrely - also a calculated move on his part)? What precisely are you suggesting? That we should've told him to piss off back then? And we'd still have won the league without him? Massive - and completely unnecessary - mistake by Fergie and Gill, then.
Tevez is a special kind of retard, although he was a likable guy until after he went on a massive rampage against us evrytime he had the chance off the pitch. But Rooney, seems to go in that way. fecking hell, he cried cause we weren't ambitious enough (although that was orchestrated from beginning to get more money) and two years later he cried because he is not the main man anymore and didn't start a game. Until he left the club, Tevez respected the club more than Rooney and he was treated (see didn't start games and getting substituted) much worse than him.
If we sold and replaced him of course we could have. We wouldnt be in this situation now either.
I believe that. Nani was by miles our best attacking player that season, while both Hernandez and Berbatov contributed at-least as much as Rooney (likely more). He played well after his return, but I think that we would have won the league with or without him. Of course if we would have sold him at that time, he would have cost more than 50m and we would have find a replacement (though not as good) in January. While Rooney was great on the second part of the season, he was very shit on the first part. Rooney wasn't even in our top 5 players that season, and miles below the likes of Vidic and Nani.
Rodney's not comin out and saying anything, big mistake if he wants to stay, he's getting the fans backs up. If he's going to hang around he's got some arse kissing to do, right now the thought of him taking any kind of record from any of our legends just doesn't seem right.
Who would you have gone for, out of interest? In the January window, mind.
And the conclusion, by the way, is that you do believe Fergie fecked up - massively. Or am I missing something here?
You've clearly lost it if you think it's even remotely possible.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Sir Alex clearly did what he thought was right at the time and most people here agreed. I remember posting that its definitely not the end of it. My prediction was that he'd be looking to leave the next summer. I was wrong - it was the summer after
but it was clearly a very fishy turn around to be adamant that hes leaving then suddenly sign a new deal. It was very convenient for our fans to blame his agent and shout "money", but if it was about money he'd already be at Chelsea or City. We paid him a lot, they'd clearly pay him a lot more.Who would I have signed? I dont even remember who was in the shop window then, but since October 2010 when he asked to leave the first time, lots of quality players in striking and behind the striker roles have come to prominence and made big moves. I'd like to believe our scouts would have chosen a good one, whether its Falcao, Cavani, etc. We might not have got an English player but there were clearly lots of talented players out there.
Back to the issue of business which has been mentioned. If you ignore morals and doing the right thing to keep the entire squad in check so they dont behave the same way in the future, if you want to keep Rooney this season then yes he needs a new contract so that he doesn't have a year left on his contract next summer. That would protect the club financially. Especially as this is a player who is very likely to cause more problems next summer with a year on his deal.
But business-wise it makes a lot more sense to sell him now while he's at a good age and look to replace him while Van Persie is in his prime. Rooney is still a very good player but there are many more of those around. A bigger problem would be looking to find two of them in striking areas in a season or two when Rooney has another episode and Van Persie's level is starting to drop. There's also the situation of cash rich clubs throwing money around left and right. Who knows if those clubs would actually want/need Rooney in a year or two? They may have better already
Explain. From here it's madness to suggest its not possible.
He made a play to get a wage increase and complained to his manager when he got dropped from a big game. All the rest is just bluster and Rooney/Stretford handling things pretty messily. That's not something only someone like Tevez would do, it's something dozens of top players have done at various clubs.
I concur with this, in so far as a Rooney change of heart is no guarantee in this instance of long term commitment or any acceptance at all that the manager could have been justified in his actions. Perish the thought.
The bottom line is that Rooney is expendable, the club can adapt to his loss and even benefit from it so a policy u-turn from him is not the be all and end all to our decision. In any event the continued silence from Wayne and refusal to throw himself behind the new regime must begin to be be a determining factor in the conclusions being reached by the management/board.
He asked to leave and took a payoff. He asked to leave because he was taken off a lot
Sure, lots of players have done the same. They arent playing for us and if they were, they should be sold too.
Tevez was a little later in his career when he kicked up a fuss at City, but it did happen after falling out with United. Plenty of time for Rooney to do whatever he wants. And the most important part is, of course its possible for Rooney to cause similar problems especially at a club like City
Exactly. As I said before, Tevez was a better guy than Rooney when he was part of United. I think that it is very possible that Rooney would do similar retarded acts as Tevez if he goes to another club when he'll play only for money.
Would it be as hard to replace Rooney as it would have been to replace Ronaldo?
We clearly opted for something different rather than trying to replace Ronaldo with another world beater and we continued to be successful all the same. Reading some of the comments and points on here it almost comes across as if it'd be just as hard if not harder to move on without Rooney than it was with Ronaldo.
We clearly opted for something different rather than trying to replace Ronaldo with another world beater and we continued to be successful all the same. Reading some of the comments and points on here it almost comes across as if it'd be just as hard if not harder to move on without Rooney than it was with Ronaldo.
Now that we have RVP and Kagawa? Not at all. Personally and especially if we get Thiago, I hope that regardless of what happens to Rooney we'll see Kagawa as our main advanced midfielder. So, unless Rooney doesn't come back at the form of 2009-2010 or Kagawa doesn't do as good as he did for BVB, I am warmed to the idea of seeing Rooney on the bench, which economically speaking is terrible. Get 30m and more than 10m in wages per year, and invest them on new players, better than keeping an unhappy player who has a mandatory whining every two years.
Probably Rooney asking to leave for a third time.
If the only bids are from domestic rivals I think we will do what Dortmund are doing with Lewandwoski and keep him for the remainder of his deal whether he wants to go or not. If a suitable offer comes from abroad though then we'd take it and even if he doesn't want to leave England he'd be wise enough to cash in his chips.
Are we not in a far better position to replace a player like Rooney/Lewandowski than Dortmund are? Maybe its in their best interests to keep the player because how are they going to convince another top striker to replace Lewandowski? Getting to the CL final is more than a great start, but they'd still have a job on. On the other hand we should be able to sign the same bracket of player as long as we front the money that a club want for him.
I concur with this, in so far as a Rooney change of heart is no guarantee in this instance of long term commitment or any acceptance at all that the manager could have been justified in his actions. Perish the thought.
The bottom line is that Rooney is expendable, the club can adapt to his loss and even benefit from it so a policy u-turn from him is not the be all and end all to our decision. In any event the continued silence from Wayne and refusal to throw himself behind the new regime must begin to be be a determining factor in the conclusions being reached by the management/board.
How do you know he's refused to get behind the new regime? This is just guess work masquerading as a point.
Tevez bitched and moaned about not playing, barely trained and actually left, rejecting a pre-agreed transfer, to feck off to City for more money. I know people are a bit annoyed with Rooney, but Christ alive, are things not blown out of proportion on here. Rooney has yet to behave the way Tevez has/did. He hasn't fecked off elsewhere, for a start. If Rooney leaves I wonder if he'll hold up a banner celebrating the "death" of Fergie.
I see nothing wrong with what Rooney has done, from what I can gather at least. In fact, I think Rooney is doing the right thing staying at United under the new manager. We fans sometimes look at all this with the red specs but we forget it's about one's career and life. I know I'd want to play more and possibly earn the same or more. It's not a marriage ffs
I was using the Dortmund/Lewandowksi comparison merely from the aspect that I don't think we will sell domestically if that is the only option.
One doesn't play more by simply having a whine. It's a performance based system. Play better and you won't be subbed off. And let's face it, fergie has offered Rooney a great deal of lee way. He even played Rooney in central midfield to get his form back. Rooney should have only looked within for solving his issues, clearly.
When did Rooney say he's staying?
I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. Sir Alex had two press-conference's when he more or less only talked about the clubs problem with one single individual and Moyes had to spend a large part of his first meeting with the press to talk about the same player. Coincidence?
I can't remember another of our player who have caused so much problem without having to leave the club. After Moyes last statement about him staying there had been no comments from Wayne Rooney himself regarding this issue, you don't find this strange? Everyday we read reports about him going to other clubs and still you see no reasons for him to come out with a statement of his intentions. Do you honestly find this OK?
Manchester United according to Moyes don't want to sell him but I'm not sure we want keep him either. Is he worth all this trouble?
You don't see anything wrong in him asking for 2 transfers in 3 seasons and refusing to play in SAF last match at OT.
Rooney has not said either way if he wants to stay or go, all we have had is a statement says that basicly SAF was lying/ exaggerating .
If he stays and wants to stay and commits 100%, when the fans will have to accept that.
IMHO the quicker he is sold the better.
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