Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Devil may care said:
Not really as he's said this before so there's no reason to think that he wont do it again next time he's in a huff over things not going his way.



It does at the end of the day, if United want Rooney to stay they'll keep him as long as he is contractually obligated, if we want to sell him we'll make sure he knows in no uncertain terms that fighting it will only be bad for him long term, and he will go.
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You honestly believe players (and Rooney here) have no say in their future ? I'm not having that, it's all about finding the best possible compromise for everyone involved. If Rooney wants to stay or not will play an important role in how Moyes will make his final decision.
Let's Moyes wants to initially keep him but Rooney is 200% willing to leave, what will more than likely happen ? Rooney will leave
 
kouroux said:
You honestly believe players (and Rooney here) have no say in their future ? I'm not having that, it's all about finding the best possible compromise for everyone involved. If Rooney wants to stay or not will play an important role in how Moyes will make his final decision.
Let's Moyes wants to initially keep him but Rooney is 200% willing to leave, what will more than likely happen ? Rooney will leave
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I think ultimately Manchester United will have the final say and the outcome will be what the club wants even if that means playing hardball with Rooney, if he wants to stay and we want him gone then he'll go, but if we are adamant that he's not going even if he wants out, I don't think we'll bend over for him.
 
It's not about bending over for him, you really go from one extreme to another (from bending over to completely disregarding Rooney's opinion). It simply doesn't work like that, all parties involved will do their best to find a compromise. The club's final say doesn't mean it won't take into account Rooney's wishes.
 
"The problem" for Rooney doesn't matter. What he's done about it matters. The position he's put the club in matters and its clearly not the first time. Even if he talks to Moyes and is happy enough to stay for the forseeable future he'd still need a new contract, which will only reward him for behaviour not befitting a player at this club and cause havoc with the rest of the squad when it comes to acceptable behaviour and contract situatuions.

No player is bigger than the club, now more than ever is to the time to prove that correct - not incorrect by bending over backward for a player who continually asks to leave and puts the club in an awkward situation whilst not busting a gut to be at peak fitness and performance in the meantime. Rooney doing very well for us in the past doesn't mean he can walk all over us and be treated with different rules to every other player in the squad.
 
What can Wayne do if he doesn't change his mind about leaving? Will he just have to stay here, regardless of his wishes?
 
SteveJ said:
What can Wayne do if he doesn't change his mind about leaving? Will he just have to stay here, regardless of his wishes?
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I don't think they will be stupid enough to keep Rooney if he absolutely wants to leave. It'd be a waste of money and opportunity to sell him at the right time.
Whatever will be done, I hope it happens soon enough.
 
Devil may care said:
I think ultimately Manchester United will have the final say and the outcome will be what the club wants even if that means playing hardball with Rooney, if he wants to stay and we want him gone then he'll go, but if we are adamant that he's not going even if he wants out, I don't think we'll bend over for him.
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You think we'd keep him even if he demands to go? We'd let him run down his contract? I certainly hope we're not that stupid. If Rooney wants to leave then he's no longer a worthwhile asset for the club, at that stage it's in our best interest to sell him for as much as he can. As such, if he want to leave he'll leave. In real terms the power lies with the player, unless the club wants to do damage to itself. That's why the "we're not selling Rooney" comments by Moyes shouldn't be taken at face value, if Rooney wants to leave then the club pretty much have to sell him.
 
The club compelled Ronaldo to play a whole season before selling him to Madrid. I think if the club thinks they aren't ready for Rooney to leave they will ask the player for one more season before selling him on.
 
sullydnl said:
You think we'd keep him even if he demands to go? We'd let him run down his contract? I certainly hope we're not that stupid. If Rooney wants to leave then he's no longer a worthwhile asset for the club, at that stage it's in our best interest to sell him for as much as he can. As such, if he want to leave he'll leave. In real terms the power lies with the player, unless the club wants to do damage to itself. That's why the "we're not selling Rooney" comments by Moyes shouldn't be taken at face value, if Rooney wants to leave then the club pretty much have to sell him.
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Well we have some leeway, even Rooney knows that he doesn't do well without games and so if we said we'd bench him unless he knuckles down it would cause an issue for him given this next word cup may well be his last one at the peak of his powers. Ultimately given his wage we probably would have to sell him but I';m sure we could hold our ground if we feel the offer is below par and as I said Rooney might sulk but he knows he needs to play.
 
Ekeke said:
"The problem" for Rooney doesn't matter. What he's done about it matters. The position he's put the club in matters and its clearly not the first time. Even if he talks to Moyes and is happy enough to stay for the forseeable future he'd still need a new contract, which will only reward him for behaviour not befitting a player at this club and cause havoc with the rest of the squad when it comes to acceptable behaviour and contract situatuions.

No player is bigger than the club, now more than ever is to the time to prove that correct - not incorrect by bending over backward for a player who continually asks to leave and puts the club in an awkward situation whilst not busting a gut to be at peak fitness and performance in the meantime. Rooney doing very well for us in the past doesn't mean he can walk all over us and be treated with different rules to every other player in the squad.
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I don't see it that way. If we offer him a more lucrative deal/extension it will be because of one thing, and one thing only: Moyes believes Rooney can be a top player for us in the coming seasons. He wants him to stay, wants to play him as a striker, wants him to score plenty of goals. And he believes Rooney is capable of this.

You may question Moyes' judgement (many here seem to think Rooney is practically finished as a footballer), but it makes no sense to claim it will mean that United bend over and take it from Rooney and his agent. It's pure business – or pure football management, for that matter. Extending his contract (on improved terms) isn't some sort of perverse and irrational reward for his performances (and “antics”) of late; it's an investment in his future contributions.

Again, one may disagree with such a move on the part of the club – but I see no reason, regardless of how one feels personally about Rooney, to believe United are likely to give Rooney more money just because...yeah, because of what, exactly? They're afraid of the mighty Paul Stretford?
 
SteveJ said:
What can Wayne do if he doesn't change his mind about leaving? Will he just have to stay here, regardless of his wishes?
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Hopefully not. I think its best for all parties if he asks Moyes to leave that he does so

Ferguson said:
The club compelled Ronaldo to play a whole season before selling him to Madrid. I think if the club thinks they aren't ready for Rooney to leave they will ask the player for one more season before selling him on.
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Ronaldo didnt have 2 years on his contract and 1 when we sold him the season after. Besides Rooney already asked to leave before and we've already kept him on
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I don't see it that way. If we offer him a more lucrative deal/extension it will be because of one thing, and one thing only: Moyes believes Rooney can be a top player for us in the coming seasons. He wants him to stay, wants to play him as a striker, wants him to score plenty of goals. And he believes Rooney is capable of this.

You may question Moyes' judgement (many here seem to think Rooney is practically finished as a footballer), but it makes no sense to claim it will mean that United bend over and take it from Rooney and his agent. It's pure business – or pure football management, for that matter. Extending his contract (on improved terms) isn't some sort of perverse and irrational reward for his performances (and “antics”) of late; it's an investment in his future contributions.

Again, one may disagree with such a move on the part of the club – but I see no reason, regardless of how one feels personally about Rooney, to believe United are likely to give Rooney more money just because...yeah, because of what, exactly? They're afraid of the mighty Paul Stretford?
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Capable and willing are two different things. Wayne Rooney is capable of being a top player for us. He isnt willing.

You can only invest in a future if the player believes there is a future. He doesn't. If we sign him up to a new deal it'll only be short term and "business" as you say. It'd protect us financially when he leaves next summer or in 18 months. It'd just be morally wrong and you cant put a number on that especially with the fallout with the rest of the squad seeing Rooney pissing all over the club and still getting loaded all the while.
 
Ekeke said:
Capable and willing are two different things. Wayne Rooney is capable of being a top player for us. He isnt willing.

You can only invest in a future if the player believes there is a future. He doesn't. If we sign him up to a new deal it'll only be short term and "business" as you say. It'd protect us financially when he leaves next summer or in 18 months. It'd just be morally wrong and you cant put a number on that especially with the fallout with the rest of the squad seeing Rooney pissing all over the club and still getting loaded all the while.
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I don't disagree with that at all. But then I don't believe we will offer him an extension unless he wants to stay: If Moyes doesn't manage to convince him that United is the place for him, he won't want him around. We don't desperately need the services of a lackluster, uncommitted Wayne Rooney - Moyes knows that better than most. What he wants is a committed Rooney - and if he can't have that I doubt very much he'll be interested in the other version.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I don't disagree with that at all. But then I don't believe we will offer him an extension unless he wants to stay: If Moyes doesn't manage to convince him that United is the place for him, he won't want him around. We don't desperately need the services of a lackluster, uncommitted Wayne Rooney - Moyes knows that better than most. What he wants is a committed Rooney - and if he can't have that I doubt very much he'll be interested in the other version.
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Unfortunately what we've heard from Moyes himself is that Rooney isnt for sale and that he's training well. That he's seen something in his eyes. Etc.

We haven't heard that Rooney wants to stay and if he did so, that would have been the first thing that was said. So if we do keep him, we are keeping that uncommitted player who wants to move on. And even if Rooney had a change of heart, again, like before, is it really a change of heart? Was it really a change of heart before? Because we're here again. And history says that even if he decides to stay again, we'll be here in the future as well.
 
Ekeke said:
Unfortunately what we've heard from Moyes himself is that Rooney isnt for sale and that he's training well. That he's seen something in his eyes. Etc.

We haven't heard that Rooney wants to stay and if he did so, that would have been the first thing that was said. So if we do keep him, we are keeping that uncommitted player who wants to move on. And even if Rooney had a change of heart, again, like before, is it really a change of heart? Was it really a change of heart before? Because we're here again. And history says that even if he decides to stay again, we'll be here in the future as well.
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Well, that's the core of it, isn't it? What I believe is this: Unless Moyes can convince Rooney that United is the place for him and make him committed - then Moyes won't need him/want him. And then Rooney will be sold.

Unless Rooney should insist on being transferred to City or Chelsea, I don't see this as all that problematic. Either Moyes convinces him to stay (which means committing to the club, as the phrase goes, i.e. give it 100% next season) OR he is off. End of saga, we move on. The likelihood of him moping around come September, because we refused to let him go, isn't all that great. Unless - again - he turns into a grade A cnut and insists on a move to a club we simply cannot sell him to.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, that's the core of it, isn't it? What I believe is this: Unless Moyes can convince Rooney that United is the place for him and make him committed - then Moyes won't need him/want him. And then Rooney will be sold.

Unless Rooney should insist on being transferred to City or Chelsea, I don't see this as all that problematic. Either Moyes convinces him to stay (which means committing to the club, as the phrase goes, i.e. give it 100% next season) OR he is off. End of saga, we move on. The likelihood of him moping around come September, because we refused to let him go, isn't all that great. Unless - again - he turns into a grade A cnut and insists on a move to a club we simply cannot sell him to.
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PSG will definitely make an offer, and it's the only one we'll accept IMO.
 
Fergus' son said:
PSG will definitely make an offer, and it's the only one we'll accept IMO.
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Aye, I hope that's the case - it's probably the best scenario given the circumstances. If Moyes - who wants Rooney on board, I'm sure of that - manages to persuade him that he should stay put, excellent. If not - off to gay Paris with him, and that's fine too. If he wants out, he wants out - fair fecks and good riddance.
 
kouroux said:
I don't think they will be stupid enough to keep Rooney if he absolutely wants to leave. It'd be a waste of money and opportunity to sell him at the right time.
Whatever will be done, I hope it happens soon enough.
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Yep, I hope that we're smarter than Athletic Club in Llorente's case. Keeping an unhappy player (especially an expensive one) in bench or playing him unmotivated doesn't make any sense. If he wants to go, we should sell him, hopefully not in England though.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, that's the core of it, isn't it? What I believe is this: Unless Moyes can convince Rooney that United is the place for him and make him committed - then Moyes won't need him/want him. And then Rooney will be sold.

Unless Rooney should insist on being transferred to City or Chelsea, I don't see this as all that problematic. Either Moyes convinces him to stay (which means committing to the club, as the phrase goes, i.e. give it 100% next season) OR he is off. End of saga, we move on. The likelihood of him moping around come September, because we refused to let him go, isn't all that great. Unless - again - he turns into a grade A cnut and insists on a move to a club we simply cannot sell him to.
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Alright. Well imo that means Rooney is already gone then. Moyes isnt suddenly going to change Rooney's nature
 
vanthaman said:
If we sell him to another prem team it will be a big mistake
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If the only offer we have is from an English team, or if he only wants to go to an English team, I don't think that we'll have that much of a choice. But understandably, we should do whatever we can to don't let this happen.
 
Top said:
A shame PSG has just spent a bunch on Cavani.
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When did that happen? I only heard that they are trying to get him, but not that they have signed him. Rooney to PSG would be likely the best outcome for us if he wants to leave.
 
Ekeke said:
For us or for them?
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Us of course

there is nothing other than fergies pot shot which happened after he retired to say he wants to leave, don't see why everyone wants him out, he's still one of our best players and we aren't the same without him on the pitch.

I know he requested to leave a few years back which was wrong but no different to rio holding us to ransom yet people seem to have forgiven him
 
vanthaman said:
Us of course

there is nothing other than fergies pot shot which happened after he retired to say he wants to leave, don't see why everyone wants him out, he's still one of our best players and we aren't the same without him on the pitch.

I know he requested to leave a few years back which was wrong but no different to rio holding us to ransom yet people seem to have forgiven him
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:D You think Sir Alex made it up for a petty swipe at Rooney before he retired. Bless you.

If Rooney can cause problems for us, he'll only do the same at City or Chelsea who will definitely not treat him as well (only financially)

Hopefully they dont realise that though.
 
The Cavani deal hasn't been confirmed, as far as I know.

Even if they do buy him, Ibrahimovic could be on his way out. So they might still want WR.
 
Ekeke said:
:D You think Sir Alex made it up for a petty swipe at Rooney before he retired. Bless you.
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I think it's more likely that Rooney said something along the lines of if you aren't gonna play me then sell me, rather than handing in a transfer request
 
Ekeke said:
:D You think Sir Alex made it up for a petty swipe at Rooney before he retired. Bless you.

If Rooney can cause problems for us, he'll only do the same at City or Chelsea who will definitely not treat him as well (only financially)

Hopefully they dont realise that though.
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Hehe, you don't half lay it on thick, do you?

He's Tevez now, is that it?
 
What problems has he caused us exactly? He's a winner, he wants to win, nothing wrong with that. He was annoyed we weren't buying players that would help us win and had a point at the time, thankfully we signed RVP because if that deal had fallen though god knows what would have happened last season.
 
vanthaman said:
What problems has he caused us exactly? He's a winner, he wants to win, nothing wrong with that. He was annoyed we weren't buying players that would help us win and had a point at the time, thankfully we signed RVP because if that deal had fallen though god knows what would have happened last season.
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Other than screwing the club for a mega contract which we don't know the actual details for, the two times we're led to believe he's wanted out we've actually won the Premier League.

Do this every year Rodney, it's not coincidental.

Disclaimer: It is coincidental.
 
Ekeke said:
He could be. City have space for another one now and Rooney has done his best impression in recent times
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Good grief, man. You don't think that's, you know, a bit over the top?

It wasn't by any chance your granny he, erm, entertained?
 
vanthaman said:
I think it's more likely that Rooney said something along the lines of if you aren't gonna play me then sell me, rather than handing in a transfer request
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So why lie? And make it public? And why wouldnt Rooney's camp use that political goldmine to come out and say that United clearly dont want him so let poor Rooney leave?

Sense?

Rooney's camp have been quiet about asking to leave. They dont have anything to say that hasnt already been
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Other than screwing the club for a mega contract which we don't know the actual details for, the two times we're led to believe he's wanted out we've actually won the Premier League.

Do this every year Rodney, it's not coincidental.

Disclaimer: It is coincidental.
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Exactly, no one knows feck all so I'd like to base my opinion on his ability. He's still one of our world class players which we don't have many of
 
vanthaman said:
What problems has he caused us exactly? He's a winner, he wants to win, nothing wrong with that. He was annoyed we weren't buying players that would help us win and had a point at the time, thankfully we signed RVP because if that deal had fallen though god knows what would have happened last season.
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Trying to force a move at the end of a transfer window leading to an ultra super mega contract for him. Then despite being given that contract coming back not long after and asking to leave again because he thinks hes better than being subbed off after 70 minutes.

And despite Rooney's concerns, we bought players who have played better than he has. Funny that, its almost as if we knew what we were doing
 
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