Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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That people are seriously taking Rooney's word before that of Sir Alex is utterly beyond me. You really should go and take a hard look in the mirror and see if that jersey has Adidas stripes or a Nike logo on it and report back. No way would Sir Alex lie about such a thing - why would he? It was in his best interest to leave the club in as good a state as he could as that reflects directly back to his leadership.

I would believe it's a PR-stunt by Rooney's magnificent agent, who is known for his antics. That people are actually and truthfully debating whether Rooney or Ferguson is lying is a joke! Too much Rooney love here for a person who has shown time and time that he has no more love for the club than the paycheck goes.
 
MoBeats said:
So to sum up from today? Just home from work and 7 pages look like saying nothing's happened on the big day?
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Nope, according to skysports nothing happened no talks no nothing.
 
If Rooney wants to play for United, that's enough, even if he's been an eejit in the past. If he doesn't he can go now and I wouldn't miss him.
 
Rossa said:
That people are seriously taking Rooney's word before that of Sir Alex is utterly beyond me. You really should go and take a hard look in the mirror and see if that jersey has Adidas stripes or a Nike logo on it and report back. No way would Sir Alex lie about such a thing - why would he? It was in his best interest to leave the club in as good a state as he could as that reflects directly back to his leadership.

I would believe it's a PR-stunt by Rooney's magnificent agent, who is known for his antics. That people are actually and truthfully debating whether Rooney or Ferguson is lying is a joke! Too much Rooney love here for a person who has shown time and time that he has no more love for the club than the paycheck goes.
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Who said Fergie was lying?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
That's not happening.
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The bit about the shirt, no. But there's nothing to stop him having a few 30 goal seasons if he's played in the right position and there's nothing to stop him scoring the CL winning goal if we get there. It's not a likely scenario but a possible one, hypothetically if nothing else.
 
I don't think anyone has accused Fergie of lying. Some may at most have suggested that the old man is cunning - and has been known to play a bit of chess. But I haven't seen a single poster here suggest Fergie has been lying just to put Wayne Rooney in a bad light. I doubt anyone who's a member of this forum would pick Rooney over Fergie - that sort of goes without saying, you'd think.
 
Bang on Chester.

It's the same all the time on here. Some dipshit will come into a thread, skim read, decide that people are saying one thing based on his half arsed attempts to read and then condemn everyone for saying it.

Happens all the time.
 
Oh look at Irwyn, calling everyone that's posted in this thread a bunch of cnuts.
 
SteveJ said:
RooWatch: I have been informed that Wayne, Coleen and the Roonettes went to Nando's after the non-meeting.

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Pretty sure that's medium he has on the table. Pansy.
 
Do you think that our players have been ordered not to discuss the Rooney situation in the media? Haven't heard a word from Rio, RVP, Evra etc etc.
 
SteveJ said:
Do you think that our players have been ordered not to discuss the Rooney situation in the media? Haven't heard a word from Rio, RVP, Evra etc etc.
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I would imagine so, you don't often hear our players airing views etc.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
There are probably some cultural differences when it comes to this sort of thing, but at top clubs - whether they be English or Spanish - the standard must be very, very high. In other words, not keeping fully fit will not be tolerated (might even be a breach of contract at some level, I don't know much about the sheer legal aspect of it).

So, when Ronaldo stood out it was probably more a case of him being exceptionally dedicated - not that Rooney was a slacker in any normal sense of the word. The latter being pretty much what the "clarification" stated, unless I'm mistaken. Everyone says Ronaldo is obsessed with keeping fit and trains uncommonly hard - which no doubt partly explains his quality as a player. Most great athletes, regardless of sport, are perfectionists who train that extra bit harder than everybody else.

I'm sure Rooney would've benefited from emulating Ronaldo's regime - but that's necessarily a criticism which could be directed at just about every player on the planet, bar Ronaldo himself.
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I agree with what you say here I wouldn't call him a slouch you can't get to his level in this day and age without being dedicated and he has improved as a player that is clear for us all to see. You are right he has have lacked that will and dedication Ronaldo has, few have it imo.

What I have realised he and Ronaldo will forever be linked they came here together grew up won trophies together, one went on to be the second best player of his generation one was a great player but not right at the top. For me Rooney looked the brighter talent when they where younger, the fact Ronaldo has surpassed him by so much and the fact Rooney's fitness/application have always been somewhat questioned adds to his legacy the 'what if' he had decided to work as extra hard as Ronaldo how good could he have been? Odd to say he is unfulfilled because he has won so much and is on the verge of surpassing Sir Bovbby as our top scorer but it feels like that a little.

How many feel Rooney perhaps didn't get the best out of his talent that he could have or is it just me?
 
Genius Me! said:
I'm watching "united archives" on MUTV and it's showing a match when Rooney was our number 8, how hungry he looked there. (And no I'm not talking his hunger for bloody food)
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I miss the old Rooney :(

He's improved other areas of his game since then. If he can get that desire back then he'd be our best player once again.
 
JaffyJoe said:
I agree with what you say here I wouldn't call him a slouch you can't get to his level in this day and age without being dedicated and he has improved as a player that is clear for us all to see. You are right he has have lacked that will and dedication Ronaldo has, few have it imo.

What I have realised he and Ronaldo will forever be linked they came here together grew up won trophies together, one went on to be the second best player of his generation one was a great player but not right at the top. For me Rooney looked the brighter talent when they where younger, the fact Ronaldo has surpassed him by so much and the fact Rooney's fitness/application have always been somewhat questioned adds to his legacy the 'what if' he had decided to work as extra hard as Ronaldo how good could he have been? Odd to say he is unfulfilled because he has won so much and is on the verge of surpassing Sir Bovbby as our top scorer but it feels like that a little.

How many feel Rooney perhaps didn't get the best out of his talent that he could have or is it just me?
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Well, first I would say that he's not past it yet. He could go on to have many fine seasons yet - but, again, I think that depends on whether he stays with us.

Secondly, I'd say he hasn't lived up to the enormous expectations people had when he first came into the limelight as a teenager. I remember thinking we had signed a latter-day Charlton when he arrived from Everton. He hasn't turned out quite as spectacular, that's a fact.

Thirdly, whether he has lived up to his potential (rather than people's expectations) is hard to tell. As I've said before in this thread I've come to regard him as a bit of an oddball - as a player. Someone who doesn't quite fit any category, perhaps. And in many ways I think he has always been such a player. The enormous, raw talent that some say he has - at least partially wasted - probably wasn't quite there to begin with. And by that I don't mean to imply he lacked raw talent - just that he didn't possess it to the same extent as a Best, Maradona or Messi. He didn't have that genius-like effortlessness to his game that such players seem to come with.

In terms of living up to his talent I'd say, then, that he is there or thereabouts. But the main thing is - and this is why I don't want him gone - I actually think he hasn't played out his register yet. I think he can become an even better player; that he can become more consistent, more focused, finally shed that last layer of immaturity which hampers his game a little too often.

And if that happens at some other club - well, then I'd call that a fecking waste. For us.
 
Apparently...

Andy Mitten was on an Irish radio station tonight. He claimed that Rooney is definitely leaving and wants to go to Chelsea.

Come to think of it: what could be so important for Paul Stretford that he missed such a crucial meeting for his number-one client? Is he, perhaps, out n' about fixing up a deal?
 
SteveJ said:
Apparently...

Andy Mitten was on an Irish radio station tonight. He claimed that Rooney is definitely leaving and wants to go to Chelsea.

Come to think of it: what could be so important for Paul Stretford that he missed such a crucial meeting for his number-one client? Is he, perhaps, out n' about fixing up a deal?
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feckin' Mitten...Well, allow me to say again that Rooney to Chelsea is just sad. If he wants to leave, fine. If Moyes doesn't want him, fine. But surely even the keenest Rooney haters must admit that seeing him play for bloody Maureen in bloody blue is nothing but a travesty.
 
Wonder how much we could get off Chelsea? They did pay £50 million for Torres and even if Rooney isn't the player he was in previous years, he's still about 800 times better than that waste of space.
 
We simply cannot sell him to a team in the Premier League that affects our chances of winning the title. I'd probably sell him to Arsenal if anyone.
 
Surprised to see him turn out to be one of the biggest judas in the club's history. He can feck off and will get a terrible reception at Old Trafford against us, even if it's at a club we have no rivalry with like PSG.

He, like for many others, was my favourite player for many years but if you feck with this club, it doesn't matter who you are. You will be hated by the fans.
 
Man-United said:
Surprised to see him turn out to be one of the biggest judas in the club's history. He can feck off and will get a terrible reception at Old Trafford against us, even if it's at a club we have no rivalry with like PSG.

He, like for many others, was my favourite player for many years but if you feck with this club, it doesn't matter who you are. You will be hated by the fans.
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The last part is obviously true. However, if it transpires that he wanted a new challenge and blah blah - and that he shows no disrespect towards Moyes, SAF or the club as such - and that the parting is more or less friendly under the circumstances...if all that happens and he goes to PSG, I don't see it as Judas like behaviour on his part.

But. If he ends up at Chelsea. And it transpires that he actively sought that particular move. Well, then there are no excuses.
 
SteveJ said:
Apparently...

Andy Mitten was on an Irish radio station tonight. He claimed that Rooney is definitely leaving and wants to go to Chelsea.

Come to think of it: what could be so important for Paul Stretford that he missed such a crucial meeting for his number-one client? Is he, perhaps, out n' about fixing up a deal?
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He's doesn't bullshit so I will believe him if he says Rooney wants to leave. Not sure about a move to Chelsea, Rooney might want it but I can't see United selling him to a direct rival unless they make a stupid offer.
 
As I've speculated before in this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a deal with Chelsea in place, so I guess in my mind I wouldn't be that surprised in him going there.

But I would be very disappointed if the club sanction such a move.
 
Antisocial said:
As I've speculated before in this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a deal with Chelsea in place, so I guess in my mind I wouldn't be that surprised in him going there.

But I would be very disappointed if the club sanction such a move.
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Bloody right. Why should we strengthen Maureen's feckin' mob? Moyes...feck, Fergie himself - as board member - should just tell him that it's fine if he wants to leave, but he'll have to move abroad. Or to Newcastle. Not to our biggest rival for the league.

I hope I'm getting all worked up for nothing, because this Chelsea business is - well, it's a terrible thought.
 
7dan said:
Im just gona throw this into the mix, Cash plus mata???
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Bollocks to that. Straight swap would do me fine.

Save £5m a year in wages as well (assuming Mata is on £120k-£150k).

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7dan said:
Im just gona throw this into the mix, Cash plus mata???
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They give us cash and Mata then sure why the hell not. But why in the feck would Rooney want to leave us for Chelsea?

He could have gone down as a complete club legend, but if he does that then he's going to tarnish his legacy.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
Bang on Chester.

It's the same all the time on here. Some dipshit will come into a thread, skim read, decide that people are saying one thing based on his half arsed attempts to read and then condemn everyone for saying it.

Happens all the time.
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So basically you are saying I'm a dipshit? If not blatantly saying that Fergie was lying, several people on here have said that you basically have to be a fool not to believe that Ferguson might not be telling the truth and that he had orchestrated the whole thing. From Brwned:

Brwned said:
I think the most likely scenario is he made another play to get a bit more money and made some vague threat of leaving. Sir Alex then made his own play by turning that vague threat into a "he wants to leave the club" to get him to wise up. So it has nothing to do with calling into question Sir Alex's motives or actions, I fully support them. I just don't think it makes Rooney out to be this despicable human being either.
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Now, as I said, he doesn't explicitly say he lied, but that he made his own play / fabricated a story, much like a newspaper, to serve his own intent. What the hell Ferguson and/or United would benefit from that, I do not know.

I do think you should be a bit more careful what you call people or generalise people, though. To quote Starwars: "You assume too much"
 
Genius Me! said:
He could have gone down as a complete club legend, but if he does that then he's going to tarnish his legacy.
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That's assuming he actually cares about becoming a United legend. I don't mean to sound unkind - just that I think being an Everton legend would've meant more to him...yet he still left them.
 
If we can get Mata & Torres in exchange it might just convince Thiago to sign...or at least get off his sunbed and take notice.
 
LondonRed said:
Bollocks to that. Straight swap would do me fine.

Save £5m a year in wages as well (assuming Mata is on £120k-£150k).

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If this is another Abramovich purchase then the transfer fee will be close to what they paid for Torres.
 
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