I think he's saying the fans won't forgive Rooney in the same way they did with the others.
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I think he's saying the fans won't forgive Rooney in the same way they did with the others.
I couldn't care less whether SAF misunderstood Rooney or not.
Those that want Rooney to stay are clinging to the occasional dazzling performance in the last season.
There were reasons why Rooney was withdrawn on many occasions last season, most of which relate to his mediocre form and apparent lack of enthusiasm.
Those that cite Rooney scoring x number of goals even when he was under-par, should perhaps look at the number of goals scored by RVP. If one wishes to use statistics to support an argument, I would say RVP's scoring pretty much dictates that he is the number one striker.
For me, Rooney is past it. When did he last dominate a Champions League game?
It's the perfect time to sell him.
Those that want Rooney to stay are clinging to the occasional dazzling performance in the last season.
There were reasons why Rooney was withdrawn on many occasions last season, most of which relate to his mediocre form and apparent lack of enthusiasm.
Those that cite Rooney scoring x number of goals even when he was under-par, should perhaps look at the number of goals scored by RVP. If one wishes to use statistics to support an argument, I would say RVP's scoring pretty much dictates that he is the number one striker.
For me, Rooney is past it. When did he last dominate a Champions League game?
It's the perfect time to sell him.
Not exactly. I said he made parallels that could have been shortened. His posts can be much longer than mine sometimes but who cares anyway.
Basically if he was as good as Ronaldo or Messi he would be forgiven everyone would be saying the club should bend to his will he isn't so he is expendable. Same people calling Rooney scum and saying he's not bigger than the club would gladly have Ronaldo back.
Strange. It seemed you were making a huge issue over how Rooney's betrayed the club and it had nothing to do with performance. Not once did you mention Rooney's under-performance in that point about "the company".
"It's a matter of integrity. For me, it's a no-brainer. To let you stay now, without even receiving a slap on the wrist, is just absurd. If I was working for that company, I'd have no more respect left for my bosses. If I was working for a rival company, I'd laugh my ass off and think your company is weak."
You know Rooney scored more goals for us in 11/12 than RvP did in 12/13, right? He's also played less games than RvP this year, been in midfield as much as up top and generally played a lot deeper thus far less likely to score goals. He was also banging them in during RvP's 6-8 weeks barren spell back in February. To base who is the "number one" purely on their goals is crazy.
That's more than likely, yes. But Brwned's post outlines the reasons why I don't think Rooneys behaviour is that much more concerning than the others. I can see why people can be annoyed, but if you distance yourself from all the sensationalist rubbish its easier to see. A Rooney story is a bigger story than almost anybody else.
Van Persie is the better player and professional really that is all it should boil down to.
When has RVP ever dominated a champions league game?
Try re-reading my post again. I said if one uses statistics to illustrate...i.e. I agree that statistics alone is not the best way to support an argument.
For me, Rooney scores in spurts and I saw very little last season to make me think he is one of the world's best strikers. Best England striker, maybe, but he's nothing special.
How often do strikers dominate a CL game?
If you agree that it's not the best way to support the argument then why the hell are you using them?
I'm confused as to why Rooney's situation should boil down to anything related to this at all, really. Regardless of whether RvP is better (debatable), Rooney is still an excellent footballer and keeping him shouldn't be dictated by that.
Ask manusteve. He seems to be a thoroughly knowledgeable bloke
For one thing, he was our only player who actually turned up in the 10/11 CL final.
I can't answer really because RVP has been with us one season. I guess I am trying to say that those who elevate Rooney to near God status should note at the rarified level of Champions League, one which undoubtedly spotlights the very best, Rooney falls short.
I would also point out that in SAF's 4-2-3-1 last season (a formation that I prefer), Rooney had ample opportunity to excel as the middle of the three behind RVP. Perhaps my memory fails me, but I don't recall him excelling much at all.
So what do you want? You want Rooney up front with RVP, when almost all the big teams play with one? Or do you want Rooney as the No.10, where for me he has so far failed?
He scored. The rest of the game comprised all the United players running around chasing shadows. Effort does not equate to excellence. For someone who wanted better players signed (RVP) and who secured a pay increase, Rooney is bitching like a complete cnut because...his own form is not good and he is sub'd and switched around.
Failed as a #10? What the f...
When?
Saying Rooney is a quality player is not elevating him to God like status, it's stating a simple fact whether you like it or not. RVP's CL record is very similar to Rooney so I am not sure why you are singling out Rooney and Rooney's record in the knock out stages is quite good I think, better than RVP at any rate.
Rooney did not have a good season, no one is arguing against that so I am not sure why that is being repeatedly brought up. Perpaps I should point to you that the last time Rooney played up top he ended up with an identical goals to games ratio as that of RVP.
So he didn't go see SAF? And you find it perfectly acceptable that his lack of form results in SAF's tactical decisions that upset Rooney, the same Rooney that WANTED increased competition through better signings AND who as the best paid player at the club surely has some responsibility to demonstrate WHY he is the best paid.
Anyway, I think Moyes will probably keep him but Rooney's best days are past him.
I don't know, did he? You seemed fairly confident that he did, can you prove it to me?
Ok we disagree. Let me ask you this: do you think Rooney is so vital that selling him wrecks our chances of winning the Premier League?
There is nothing to diagree with my post. It's pretty much all factual.
To answer your question, No.
I don't live in Britain so I don't access talksport on radio but instead just listen to some podcasts (Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast, primarily). I'm not sure what exactly Talksport refers to but could you educate me? Is there a particular podcast that I can subscribe to to listen to these calls & interviews?
That is really an infantile response. I accept we may disagree because we have different opinions of Rooney but your question really is asinine. Of course I cannot prove it.
What's infantile about it? You're basically claiming he acted like a complete cnut when there's absolutely no proof anywhere that he did. It's amazing the assumptions people are coming to around this whole thing, based on feck all information other than SAF's interview a few months ago.
It's an audio version of the all the bollocks you read in the papers.
So it's not really worth listening to then? Because I've heard talksport mentioned on several of the football blogs & forums and wasn't sure if it was the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast, or Keys & Grey, or something else.
Yes there is no proof. Fine. Rooney did not act like a cnut. Full retraction.
he may have, he may not have, we don't know, that's why I find it bizarre that people are jumping to so many conclusions about the situation. Let's just wait until it's (un)resolved before commenting on him as a person.
We jump to conclusions based on SAF's comments and Rooney's previous. I take your point, obviously.
My views on Rooney as a player, however, remain the same, so yeah, maybe I was wrong to say Rooney acted like a cnut.
I agree it creates a problem because they both play best in the same position hence why many see Rooney as expendable.
Not really though, with Rooney behind RvP last season they both played really well together at times and linked up extremely well. They were both in their best positions too. The problem was that Rooney was often shunted from that position in favor of Kagawa (who was underwhelming there for the most part) or forced to play central midfield due to our weaknesses there. if Rooney had been given a 40-50 game season behind RvP I'm pretty confident nobody would be saying he had a poor season.
Rooney has one of the best records in world football in the champions league, and up until 2010/11 he was second behind Messi I think in top goal scorers in the knockout stages. Get your facts straight before you try and make arguments. Since then United have been awful in the champions league, so Rooney's hardly had much of an opportunity to improve that don't you think? Van Persie has a worse off record than Rooney in the Champions League as well. Does he fall short as well then?If you actually rewatch most of the games last season, you would see that Rooney was actually pretty good in the vast majority of them. His problem was that he had many smaller injuries where he would be out for a month, than back for a month, then out for another 2-3 weeks. There were a decent amount of games where he played a key role for us, but he never had the chance to do it consistently as he has done in each of the other 9 seasons he has been with us. Think back to 11/12, where he basically carried us goal scoring wise to the position we were in at the end of the season (The same amount of points as last season, more goals both for the team and individually more then RVP). He was consistently scoring all throughout the season, even though he wasn't the main striker the majority of the time.
In 2010/11, he had all the contract shit in the first half of the season, but when he came back, he was brilliant until the end of the season and that Rooney, playing in the #10 position behind Hernandez, was one of the best Rooney's we've seen. He was brilliant throughout all of 2011 and really helped give us the extra push to win the title and reach the Champions league final, which he was one of our only 2 players who performed to an acceptable standard in.
It's ridiculous how so many people on here are so quick to write off a player like Rooney, who's given so much to United over the last 10 years, in one of our most successful periods in our history. He's the 4th top goal scorer in United's all time history and you have the audacity to say that he's failed in the number 10 position. Unbelievable.
Edit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...layer--Champions-League-record-proves-it.html
Here are the stats. He hasn't had the chance to add to those totals as well, since 2011 since we've been shite in europe these last 2 years, compared to the amount of goals Ronaldo and Messi both scored.
Bang on.
Ehm, I did mention Rooney's skills, though it was rather briefly this time(seeing as I have many posts in this thread already). It's pretty obvious that the rate of cuntbaggery can be tolerated depending on your skill and importance to the team. That is the very reason for why so many fans were willing to swallow their pride in 2010. Rooney was too important at that particular stage, and it was only a one time incident anyways.
It's completely different now. Rooney is only a "very good player". I can count several more important and skilled players in our squad. Losing Rooney would not be a disaster at all. Now, seeing as this is his third strike(since he made those reassurances 9 months ago as well), I therefore politely tell him to feck off.
Our 'pub' theory was that this whole saga was simply a last twist from Fergie, revenge for his first transfer request.
A kind of Fergie farwell "p*ss me off will you, well av a wee bit of this Rooney lad"
(it doesnt make as much sense sober granted)
A kind of Fergie farwell "p*ss me off will you, well av a wee bit of this Rooney lad"
(it doesnt make as much sense sober granted)
How many times did Rooney actually play on the left or central midfield last season - I can only remember a handful? I thought most of the time Kagawa played from the left in order to accommodate Rooney up top?
I don't think anyone played particularly well up top with RVP this season.
What Cina writes there simply isn't true. If anything Kagawa's the one who was shunted wide for a Rooney that performed inconsistantly at best.
Well anyway, hopefully Moyes will do what he thinks is best for the club, which is all we ever asked of Fergie. That's good enough for me. If Wayne goes: I don't see any point in being bitter; if Wayne stays: he'll have my support. There's no other reasonable position to take (IMO).
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