Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Amar__ said:
He is playing excellent in his last three games, but I wouldn't call him best player in the world after three good games, he didn't have his best season last year, and his start of this season wasn't that good also.
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Actually he did have his best season last season, or at least he was just as productive as 2009-10. You also have to consider that he was playing behind the main striker last season and yet he scored more goals than he did as a lead striker. That sure impresses me.

Rooney Goals/Assists (Overall)
2011-12: 34/5
2010-11: 16/13
2009-10: 33/6
2008:09: 17/12
2007-08: 18/14
2006-07: 23/14
2005-06: 19/14
2004-05: 17/4

Rooney Goals/Assists (League)
2011-12: 27/4
2010-11: 11/11
2009-10: 26/3
2008-09: 12/7
2007-08: 12/13
2006-07: 14/11
2005-06: 16/10
2004-05: 11/4
 
I think this season that we'll see a similar Rooney to the one when Ronaldo was here. Now that we have Van Persie to be our main goalscorer, Rooney is free to push back more and help out more defensively like he used to, instead of just being restricted up front. I'm guessing he'll get around 20 goals this season, but also around 15-20 assists as well. When Ronaldo was here you didn't see us complain too much about his form, only that he wasn't a consistent goalscorer. Sort of like the opposite of last season. Both are world class, but IMO now that we have another world class striker, it would be more benficial to us to see Rooney back in his 07-09 role. He seems to play with less pressure on him like that.
 
pocco said:
No way he's top 5.
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You can make a strong case for him being 5th, along with about 5 other players though. First four are clearly Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Iniesta but for 5th you have Rooney, Van Persie, Aguero, Falcao and Ibra all pretty much at the same level, who have consistently been amazing. All got pretty close to the same amount of goals last season as well, Aguero a bit less but he's younger then the rest.
 
Varun_Utd said:
You mean the time when he was playing behind Hernandez in our run to the CL final and the league win? That wasnt him playing as a striker? :confused:
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I was talking more like as a lone striker, like he used to play season before when he scored around 30 goals(2009/2010 if I'm not wrong).

wr8_utd said:
He's been consistent in his goal scoring for a while now. Always has some end product.
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Well, his end product was only thing that was consistent last year, he used to have awfull game and still score goal or two, I would rather see him playing like he is in last three games.


gooDevil said:
Actually he did have his best season last season, or at least he was just as productive as 2009-10. You also have to consider that he was playing behind the main striker last season and yet he scored more goals than he did as a lead striker. That sure impresses me.

Rooney Goals/Assists (Overall)
2011-12: 34/5
2010-11: 16/13
2009-10: 33/6
2008:09: 17/12
2007-08: 18/14
2006-07: 23/14
2005-06: 19/14
2004-05: 17/4

Rooney Goals/Assists (League)
2011-12: 27/4
2010-11: 11/11
2009-10: 26/3
2008-09: 12/7
2007-08: 12/13
2006-07: 14/11
2005-06: 16/10
2004-05: 11/4
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As I said above, his end product was impressive, but his allround play was very poor too often.
 
Amar__ said:
I was talking more like as a lone striker, like he used to play season before when he scored around 30 goals(2009/2010 if I'm not wrong).
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We needed someone to score goals, he sacrificed other aspects of his game to do so. After that, with Hernandez in the mix and now RVP, he doesnt need to do so anymore and can play deeper where he's much more productive for the team as a whole. Why'd you want him to focus only on scoring like he did that season when we have RVP now?
 
Varun_Utd said:
We needed someone to score goals, he sacrificed other aspects of his game to do so. After that, with Hernandez in the mix and now RVP, he doesnt need to do so anymore and can play deeper where he's much more productive for the team as a whole. Why'd you want him to focus only on scoring like he did that season when we have RVP now?
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I don't want that, you are not reading what I'm saying. I want this Rooney, whose allround play is excellent, I don't care too much about the end product, goals will eventually come. I would now take Rooney who will score maximum ten goals this season, as long as he is playing like he is in last three games. I think he asisted more goals in those last three games than he did for whole last season.
 
Amar__ is correct and Rooney himself admitted in an interview last summer that he had a great season in terms of goal scoring but his overall play wasn't at his best.
 
bosnian_red said:
You can make a strong case for him being 5th, along with about 5 other players though. First four are clearly Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Iniesta but for 5th you have Rooney, Van Persie, Aguero, Falcao and Ibra all pretty much at the same level, who have consistently been amazing. All got pretty close to the same amount of goals last season as well, Aguero a bit less but he's younger then the rest.
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That's a fair assessment of where Rooney is.

A big World Cup and some CL magic can put Rooney right under the big two. Let's all hope he can get there. Hopefully all the off-field bullshit is in the past.
 
Amar__ said:
I don't want that, you are not reading what I'm saying. I want this Rooney, whose allround play is excellent, I don't care too much about the end product, goals will eventually come. I would now take Rooney who will score maximum ten goals this season, as long as he is playing like he is in last three games. I think he asisted more goals in those last three games than he did for whole last season.
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So you want goals. But you want top form and a menace for 90 minutes every game.

But when there is no goals. You want 90 minutes a menace every game regardless.

When there is goals you'd rather than him being shite by the words of his own mouth and having a great season in terms of productivity you'd rather he do that and be a menace for 90mins every game.

Instead of accomodating his versatility and other attributes into a squad you just want him played all game every game in his favoured position and then dismiss his abilities to play everywhere and contribute sufficiently....


Seriously, in this round-about circle of absolute shite you've just talked. I am not sure you even know what you want out of Rooney. He's going along fine.

Also is this no longer the 'Wayne Rooney is World Class' thread?
 
ghaliboy said:
So you want goals. But you want top form and a menace for 90 minutes every game.

But when there is no goals. You want 90 minutes a menace every game regardless.

When there is goals you'd rather than him being shite by the words of his own mouth and having a great season in terms of productivity you'd rather he do that and be a menace for 90mins every game.

Instead of accomodating his versatility and other attributes into a squad you just want him played all game every game in his favoured position and then dismiss his abilities to play everywhere and contribute sufficiently....


Seriously, in this round-about circle of absolute shite you've just talked. I am not sure you even know what you want out of Rooney. He's going along fine.
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To be fair he wouldn't be alone.

At times I think he should be the main man up top, at others I think he should be in the #10, at others I think he should play from the left and when I'm desperate I think he should play in midfield.

Whilst #10 is probably his most natural position in the very big games, when given that role, he often lets himself down. Both for United and England.
 
ghaliboy said:
So you want goals. But you want top form and a menace for 90 minutes every game.

But when there is no goals. You want 90 minutes a menace every game regardless.

When there is goals you'd rather than him being shite by the words of his own mouth and having a great season in terms of productivity you'd rather he do that and be a menace for 90mins every game.

Instead of accomodating his versatility and other attributes into a squad you just want him played all game every game in his favoured position and then dismiss his abilities to play everywhere and contribute sufficiently....


Seriously, in this round-about circle of absolute shite you've just talked. I am not sure you even know what you want out of Rooney. He's going along fine.

Also is this no longer the 'Wayne Rooney is World Class' thread?
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It got changed to "The Wayne Rooney Thread" a few months ago I think because after every poor game that he played this thread got bumped with people saying no chance is he world class or other things, and it was basically the same argument every time just put on repeat. Now we can actually talk about him instead of arguing if he is actually world class or not, which in the end is a matter of opinions that really mean nothing at all.
 
It's hilarious most people believed that with the arrival of RVP, Rooney will become superfluous. . With in two games he has made himself indispensable again. If Rooney is not world class than I don't know who is...
 
As useful as it has been for United, I think Rooneys versatility has held him back in some regards. As this thread seems to demonstrate different people see different things in him, and expect different things in him, whereas had he been less versatile he/everyone else would be clearer on just where his best position is and he would have played there more often.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
As useful as it has been for United, I think Rooneys versatility has held him back in some regards. As this thread seems to demonstrate different people see different things in him, and expect different things in him, whereas had he been less versatile he/everyone else would be clearer on just where his best position is and he would have played there more often.
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Definitely. He has sacrificed a lot for the team putting his own performances behind the team's benefit. One of the main reasons i like him as a player. You see all 'stars' wanting THE central role in the team. He willingly plays wherever the manager wants him even if it marginalizes his own performances.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Definitely. He has sacrificed a lot for the team putting his own performances behind the team's benefit. One of the main reasons i like him as a player. You see all 'stars' wanting THE central role in the team. He willingly plays wherever the manager wants him even if it marginalizes his own performances.
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I don't really get this? SAF has made Rooney the focal point of our team since Ronaldo left, 90% of the time anyway.
 
#Carl said:
To be fair he wouldn't be alone.

At times I think he should be the main man up top, at others I think he should be in the #10, at others I think he should play from the left and when I'm desperate I think he should play in midfield.

Whilst #10 is probably his most natural position in the very big games, when given that role, he often lets himself down. Both for United and England.
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Like the product of an unholy union between Messi and O'Shea.

As much as Rooney can play in all sorts of different positions and do very well there, I have a clear preference for seeing him play deep. I would rather see him score half the number of goals, but see more of the ball and have more influence in our overall play.
 
Adebesi said:
Like the product of an unholy union between Messi and O'Shea.

As much as Rooney can play in all sorts of different positions and do very well there, I have a clear preference for seeing him play deep. I would rather see him score half the number of goals, but see more of the ball and have more influence in our overall play.
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I agree, and with our new signings we have more than enough goals in the team anyway, where as in the past (as in, last season) we were over reliant on Rooney for goals.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
As useful as it has been for United, I think Rooneys versatility has held him back in some regards. As this thread seems to demonstrate different people see different things in him, and expect different things in him, whereas had he been less versatile he/everyone else would be clearer on just where his best position is and he would have played there more often.
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On the contrary that is his biggest strength. I believe that he is the 3rd best player in the world besides Ronaldo and Messi for his ability to influence games. The fact that a player can play at numerous positions and still be the best player at a team is phenomenal quality IMO.
 
Cina said:
I don't really get this? SAF has made Rooney the focal point of our team since Ronaldo left, 90% of the time anyway.
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Yes, but in that same period, he's also played in midfield and out on the left when needed. You wont see many star players agreeing to do that.

Forevergiggs said:
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On the contrary that is his biggest strength. I believe that he is the 3rd best player in the world besides Ronaldo and Messi for his ability to influence games. The fact that a player can play at numerous positions and still be the best player at a team is phenomenal quality IMO.
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He isnt. Iniesta and Xavi are definitely better players and more influential in games.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Yes, but in that same period, he's also played in midfield and out on the left when needed. You wont see many star players agreeing to do that.



He isnt. Iniesta and Xavi are definitely better players and more influential in games.
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Xavi and Iniesta shine more because of a system. Rooney would be the similar player and would have the impact in any team you put him. The two you mentioned won't.

They are exceptional players, I am not denying that, but they come behind Rooney imo.
 
Forevergiggs said:
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On the contrary that is his biggest strength. I believe that he is the 3rd best player in the world besides Ronaldo and Messi for his ability to influence games. The fact that a player can play at numerous positions and still be the best player at a team is phenomenal quality IMO.
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If you are talking in terms of his usefulness to us I agree, but with regards to his career and legacy I disagree. As someone posted earlier in this thread, where he finds weakness, he works to improve it, like his heading for example, he is much better than he used to be in the air. If he had been playing in one position for the majority of his career, he would have had only one positions skills to work on ( Im not wording this very well:) )

For all the things I dont like about Rooney Im a huge admirer of his selflessness for the team and willingness to do what SAF thinks best, but I do think he has had to sacrifice in other ways to do that, and credit to him for doing so.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Yes, but in that same period, he's also played in midfield and out on the left when needed. You wont see many star players agreeing to do that.
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Very rarely. Like I said, he has been our main man since Ronaldo left, we've (for the most part) built the team around him.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Xavi and Iniesta shine more because of a system. Rooney would be the similar player and would have the impact in any team you put him. The two you mentioned won't.

They are exceptional players, I am not denying that, but they come behind Rooney imo.
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Its an old excuse to pull down players from Barca. They are the ones who make the system work as well as it does. If it was just about the system, you'd see a lot more teams doing it seeing how successful it is.

Cina said:
Very rarely. Like I said, he has been our main man since Ronaldo left, we've (for the most part) built the team around him.
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Our main man in terms of his importance, yes. But his scoring returns have been sacrificed to benefit the team. Even now after RVPs arrival, he's been playing deeper. Last game, he was almost in midfield. What am saying is that most star players wont do that much for the team that too for a new guy.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
If you are talking in terms of his usefulness to us I agree, but with regards to his career and legacy I disagree. As someone posted earlier in this thread, where he finds weakness, he works to improve it, like his heading for example, he is much better than he used to be in the air. If he had been playing in one position for the majority of his career, he would have had only one positions skills to work on ( Im not wording this very well:) )

For all the things I dont like about Rooney Im a huge admirer of his selflessness for the team and willingness to do what SAF thinks best, but I do think he has had to sacrifice in other ways to do that, and credit to him for doing so.
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He is more than "useful", mate. He may not do dribbles or nutmeg players or score a 100 goals but combined he does for the team as much as any player in the world. He has had a major hand in keeping us where we are over the last few years.

About playing in one position, I am sure he could have been an excellent defender if he constantly played there, but that is the beauty of Rooney. His versatility and ability to contribute more than goals are his biggest assets.
 
Versatility is itself an attribute contributing to greatness. Think about Duncan Edwards for example. When you hear people talking about him, what are the first things they say? Obviously he was a man of extraordinary ability, but one of the first things people comment on was his ability to play anywhere, his ability to do pretty much anything that needed doing on a football pitch, and do it well. People like Best, as well: when I think of him I think first of his ability to run with the ball and his vision, but the fact he could do it all - tackle, head, shoot with both feet, pass long and short - is definitely part of what made him so special.

Maybe if Rooney had stayed in one position he would have developed certain skills to a higher level. But I think when we come to look back on Rooney's career one day his versatility will be one of the things that stands out, defining his own greatness.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Its an old excuse to pull down players from Barca. They are the ones who make the system work as well as it does. If it was just about the system, you'd see a lot more teams doing it seeing how successful it is.
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I am not trying to pull them down, buddy. I have nothing against them. Ofcourse they make the system better and are two of the most exceptional players in their positions. That is not what I am trying to say though. I am saying they shine out more because of a system they have perfected and playing with others who are the children of the same system.

Where as Rooney doesn't need a system to shine. He can adapt to any team and will be one their best players.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Our main man in terms of his importance, yes. But his scoring returns have been sacrificed to benefit the team. Even now after RVPs arrival, he's been playing deeper. Last game, he was almost in midfield. What am saying is that most star players wont do that much for the team that too for a new guy.
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And he's playing brilliantly there so somehow I doubt he minds, it's basically his best position anyway only a little deeper than usual.

Ronaldo played as a lone striker for us in big games, Messi was retrained to a #10, RVP too was put in a new position by Wenger.

I'm not saying Rooney isn't a great team player here but it's just a strange point, even now when he's "out of position", the team is completely built around him, we saw that on Saturday.
 
Forevergiggs said:
It's hilarious most people believed that with the arrival of RVP, Rooney will become superfluous. ...
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What?

This is the problem with fora. You have perhaps one or two posters saying what you suggest here, and then someone later changes it to "most people" to make some sort of point when the tide turns.

Most posters on here did not think Rooney would be superfluous. To the contrary most thought the arrival of RvP would give us a terrific striking partnership.
 
Forevergiggs said:
He is more than "useful", mate. He may not do dribbles or nutmeg players or score a 100 goals but combined he does for the team as much as any player in the world. He has had a major hand in keeping us where we are over the last few years.

About playing in one position, I am sure he could have been an excellent defender if he constantly played there, but that is the beauty of Rooney. His versatility and ability to contribute more than goals are his biggest assets.
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Ive never denied that.

I suppose it comes down to which you would rather in the team, a player who is excellent in many positions or someone who could potentially be the best in the world in one position. I dont think Rooney can truely be called the best in the world in any one position, but as you say, his versatility puts him right up there becuse he is just below best in the world status in several positions.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Xavi and Iniesta shine more because of a system. Rooney would be the similar player and would have the impact in any team you put him. The two you mentioned won't.

They are exceptional players, I am not denying that, but they come behind Rooney imo.
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:lol:
 
Forevergiggs;12353988I am saying they shine out [B said:
more[/B] because of a system they have perfected and playing with others who are the children of the same system.

Where as Rooney doesn't need a system to shine. He can adapt to any team and will be one their best players.
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Load of nonsense. Xavi is like Scholes. He would be class in whatever system he played. He's a natural. You're just taking a position and trying to build an argument around it. And Iniesta needs a specific system? He's better than Rooney anyday. His touch, vision, close control and weight of pass is sensational. Why would he struggle outside Barca?

I do think being in that system helps their players but at the same time not every player can work in that system and they would still be outstanding players outside of that system. And better than the likes of Rooney and Van Persie.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Load of nonsense. Xavi is like Scholes. He would be class in whatever system he played. He's a natural. You're just taking a position and trying to build an argument around it. And Iniesta needs a specific system? He's better than Rooney anyday. His touch, vision, close control and weight of pass is sensational. Why would he struggle outside Barca?

I do think being in that system helps their players but at the same time not every player can work in that system and they would still be outstanding players outside of that system. And better than the likes of Rooney and Van Persie.
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I don't think individually they could influence a game like Rooney can, in any team. I am sorry I don't subscribe to your view and it's nonsense.
 
I think he's been brilliant in that attacking midfield role, at the tip of a diamond. Absolutely brilliant. It's his allround play really, his ability to dictate a match has actually stepped up a notch. I no longer deem it impossible that he once will become a Scholes-esque central midfielder after seeing him impress like this in what is essentially a midfield role.

EDIT: Also, as kouroux said, I absolutely agree that van Persie has lessened the goalscoring expectation on Rooney, and allowed him to focus on other parts of his game. He's brilliant.
 
Forevergiggs said:
It's hilarious most people believed that with the arrival of RVP, Rooney will become superfluous. . With in two games he has made himself indispensable again. If Rooney is not world class than I don't know who is...
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I think more-so the media's opinion that Rooney would become superfluous and subsequently sold in January just showed how shoddy some of them can be.
 
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