Rooney and RVP 
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Get used to it. This thread will always be flooded with the "He's too fat/not world class/has a shit touch" threads if he has an average match and then again full of praise after he plays.
played well today and did some very nice long passes Scholesesque
Really enjoyed the combination of more playing through the middle and rooney playing deep. Some of his passing was exquisite.
So glad to see him back in action and also a plus to see him finish the game unscathed and without any complications to his leg.
He was bloody unplayable today. What a comeback - which is very un-Rooney like.
He'll probably be wank at the weekend
He'll probably be wank at the weekend
We don't need him to start. Kagawa gets more time to settle in. Rooney can come off the bench.
Worked his socks off.
I'm guessing he was playing deeper / wider to get his match fitness back. Would like to have seen him further forward and grabbing a goal.
I'm guessing he was playing deeper / wider to get his match fitness back. Would like to have seen him further forward and grabbing a goal.
yeah cause he's done nothing of the sorts to proove he's world class, nor is he ever fit enough that his thighs aren't rubbing against one another and his manboobs aren't bouncing up and down when he runs.
seriously, some people
Conversely, he never ever has a bad game.
Of course he has bad games, and I don't think those who defend the idea that he is world class would try to argue otherwise.
It's just that on the caf, as soon as he has a bad game or a bad patch, it goes over the top: he should be sold, he shouldn't have a starting place in the team, he's past it, he won't be able to deal with the new style of play, he's fat, he's slow, his touch is poor, he's responsible for the crisis in the Middle East, and so on.
It's just that on the caf, as soon as he has a bad game or a bad patch, it goes over the top: he should be sold, he shouldn't have a starting place in the team, he's past it, he won't be able to deal with the new style of play, he's fat, he's slow, his touch is poor, he's responsible for the crisis in the Middle East, and so on.
Amazingly, it's a doubled-edged sword. He has a half decent game and he's proclaimed as the second coming once again.
I thought that was the best Rooney-comeback for.. well, ever, possibly, barring his debut for us.
Touch was spot on, his awareness and passing was up to speed, and it almost seems like he's actually kept himself fit during the abstence.
Interesting to see him link up with RvP as the season goes on.
Touch was spot on, his awareness and passing was up to speed, and it almost seems like he's actually kept himself fit during the abstence.
Interesting to see him link up with RvP as the season goes on.
i think he can and should start this weekend. the sooner the van persie-rooney combo click the better it is for us.
yeah cause he's done nothing of the sorts to proove he's world class, nor is he ever fit enough that his thighs aren't rubbing against one another and his manboobs aren't bouncing up and down when he runs.
seriously, some people
The problem is he shot himself in the foot when he bent the club over like a cheap whore for more cash, that soured a lot of peoples opinions on him, if your going to demand best player in the world type salaries, people are going to demand exceptional and extremely consistant performances from him, not yoyoing from absolutely amazing to slightly above average several times a season.
Speaking for myself I can tolerate the yoyoing to a certain extent if, like last season he can just behave himself and not miss crunch games through stupid suspensions brought on by himself, like the FA Cup semi against City if my memory serves? Personally I think he showed a lot more maturity last season than any previous and that can only be a good thing.
the first part is true, however I think it's about time people move on with it.
And do you think part of the reason why some of the people on here are being so critical of him might also be down to us being spoilt by Ronaldo and his inexplicible magic?
Maybe for some, I can only really speak for myself, and my personal, and slighty ott dislike for him comes more from him as a person than his football, I just cannt bring myself to think of a man who sleeps with a whore whilst his pregnant wife is sat at home as anything other than scum, and I find it distasteful that a man with morals like that is at my club. ( I know hes not the first or last distasteful character we have had at the club) but add it to everything else and he just irritates the shit out of me.
Yay, he's world class again then.
Well, while that was a cnut move to pull none of us know the full story behind any of it, all we can go on is what the media tells us, and I don't know about you but I don't believe everything I read/hear from the media (generaly speaking, not going into football specificaly).
At the end of the day what he does in his own time is his own business if it doesn't affect the club, I am not trying to defend him in any way about that, but he's hardly the first or the last person to do such a thing, it's just because he's such a well known figure that he gets "singled out".
For example I could hardly justify Giggs' actions, but I can't really say I think any less of him from my perspective, and there are thousands of "nobodies" that did worse things than that.
Absolutely, I am totally aware that my dislike for him is over the top, I can recognise when he has put in a good performance however, (see top of this very page) and I have never said that he has been anything less than vital to our recent success, which is why I get so annoyed at being labeled a Rooney basher. Personally I DO think he is on the unprofesional side and could be even better though if he was a little more dedicated to his career. Especially when you consider, he is unlikely to be playing into his late 30s like Scholsey or Giggs, ( Thats not a knock, not many players CAN play at the top level for that long) and then when he retires he can smoke and drink and eat takeaways all he likes, I dont think a little self discipline for 5 or 6 more years is too much to ask in return for a job millions would literally kill for and 6 figures a week.
Yes yes yes but will he play this weekend, my fantasy manager needs answers?
I guess he will start and Kagawa might play on the left
I'd have them swapping around a lot. Him and Kagawa i mean. Both can play through the middle or drift in from the left.
True...what's wrong with having Kagawa, Van persie and Rooney as a front three and them rotating.
I swear I recall Vidic saying one of the hardest things about playing Barca the front 3 constantly rotating?
Just a thought...
I swear I recall Vidic saying one of the hardest things about playing Barca the front 3 constantly rotating?
Just a thought...
They'd be a nightmare to pin down...
Basically, for once in his career, there's a genuine threat to his previously secured position as a leading striker. He knows that with RVP, he could end up as a substitute if he doesn't wake the feck up from his slumber. Oh.. And the reason why expectations are so high with Rooney is that when Ronaldo and Rooney were in their formation years, both were exceptional talents and its a feeling that Ronaldo did fulfilled most of his potential and Rooney somewhat faltered and stagnated due to off-field distractions and complacency.
exactly. It'd be a nightmare to mark them and prevent the opposition from marking them out of the game.
If you have the right players...yeah.
I mean Kagawa can play through the middle and has experience in wide positions, Rooney relishes the striker role and also can come looking for the ball and I've seen RVP work the channels for both United and Arsenal. You have Welbeck who would be able to do similar...I actually was quite impressed with Hernandez in some of his work in wider positions last night.
It could happen I suppose...
Really 
Rooney is either shite or world class on here, never just decent or good.
He wasnt that amazing last night. His passing was very good, but he has that annoying habit of going incredibly deep that is quite frankly pointless when we already play a midfield 3. The only result is that the middle of the pitch gets congested and there is no on up front to play the ball to. Id rather have an "isolated RVP" up top than no one at all because the main striker Rooney drifts back into our own half of the pitch to be playmaker.
Rooney is either shite or world class on here, never just decent or good.He wasnt that amazing last night. His passing was very good, but he has that annoying habit of going incredibly deep that is quite frankly pointless when we already play a midfield 3. The only result is that the middle of the pitch gets congested and there is no on up front to play the ball to. Id rather have an "isolated RVP" up top than no one at all because the main striker Rooney drifts back into our own half of the pitch to be playmaker.
Really
He wasnt that amazing last night. His passing was very good, but he has that annoying habit of going incredibly deep that is quite frankly pointless when we already play a midfield 3. The only result is that the middle of the pitch gets congested and there is no on up front to play the ball to. Id rather have an "isolated RVP" up top than no one at all because the main striker Rooney drifts back into our own half of the pitch to be playmaker.
I think Rooney's decision making was very good. We played a midfield "diamond" formation with Rooney as the false 9 and that allowed Hernandez and Welbeck to buzz around a lot up front and make runs into dangerous areas e.g. Welbs chance from Wazza cross came cutting in off the left, the passage of play that led up to Cleverley's miss in the first half from Chico doing a number on Coloccini out right.
Yes, it does help at times to have a central reference point but if you have perpetual motion in forward areas its not essential we showed that in 2007/08 where Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez regularly played wherever they felt they could do the most damage instead of in fixed positions. With the players we have now I'd be confident for us to revert to playing 4-3-3 with Rooney just doing his thing. Van Persie, Kagawa, Hernandez, Welbeck etc. are all clever enough to pick their runs and their positions in a revolving front 3.
In his 30's he will became a CM
I was at the match yesterday and I must say, watching live, you realise just how ridiculously good a footballer Rooney is. His movement when he's up for it is amazing, and his touch is incredible. He just seemed to take the ball to feet from all sorts of angles so easily and Newcastle were struggling to mark him out or take the ball of him.
Amazing player, this Rooney.
Amazing player, this Rooney.
----- Carrick
Cleverley -- Anderson
--- Kagawa - Rooney
----- Van Persie
Fergie's Wingless Wonders. Get the most out of our best creative players? Hard to see how Rooney and van Persie can play in a team with 2 wingers without leaving our midfield too thin.
Edit: Never mind, just seen the Not Using Wingers thread
Cleverley -- Anderson
--- Kagawa - Rooney
----- Van Persie
Fergie's Wingless Wonders. Get the most out of our best creative players? Hard to see how Rooney and van Persie can play in a team with 2 wingers without leaving our midfield too thin.
Edit: Never mind, just seen the Not Using Wingers thread
I think we need someone on the pitch who can do a winger-job at times during the match or we will be sorely predictable. If some of the players in the formation above actually drifts to the wing at times to create width and thereby also space in the middle, it could work. Both Kagawa, Rooney and Cleverley could in theory drift to the wing at times with the above line up. As long as we dont end up playing everyone through the middle at all times I can see that working well. Nani and Young can also both work well in that formation.
Valencia doesnt really fit though, because hes so clearly a right winger and not that useful moving around the pitch.
Valencia doesnt really fit though, because hes so clearly a right winger and not that useful moving around the pitch.
So when he slows down he will be put in a position that would require him to do more work rate than say off the front man??
Well I hope Ryan Giggs has disgusted you, cos he's done alot fecking worse than Rooney. feckign his brother missus for around 10 years and then trying to get gagging orders cos it may ruin his near perfect image, I dont there are many players out there who actually are saints.
Well in all fairness slowing down doesn't necessarily mean losing your stamina as well, and I for one never found Rooney to have a problem with stamina.
Not that I'm saying he'll move into CM, just that it's not something you should write off.
I never claimed there where, if you actually read ALL of the post I even say that hes not the only one.
So... we played a 'false nine' despite the fact that we had an actual 'nine' on the pitch?
I was at the match the other day, and even posted about how good Rooney was in this thread, but I definitely think people are swinging way too far. He had a decent game, much like most of our players against Newcastle. Is he world class? I don't know, and I think only the fanboys care about the answer to that question.
Turned the game, I felt he shirked too much responsibility to Scholes though as the game went on.
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