Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Stop it!
Agreed.
But still "Rooney a better goalscorer than RVN"
I'm sure if you look at the stats Rooney will have assisted many more goals and has played a lot deeper than RvN. Rooney was still a baby in footballing terms when he joined United, unlike RvN who joined and spent his prime at United. Still, as a pure goalscorer he trumps Rooney.
Agreed.
RVN was the best goalscorer I've ever seen in my 30 odd years watching United.
As I said in the previous post, I agree that I'd still take Rooney over RVN anyday.
B****y hell!
The media is going totally crazy over Rooney's fitness.
The media is going totally crazy over Rooney's fitness.
Last season he scored 36 in 44 starts, along with 9 assists. In 10/11 his stats were: 26 starts, 22 goals, 7 assists. He was two goals off the top scorer award (despite making less appearances than 18 of the top 20 scorers). In 09/10 he made just 16 league appearances but scored 9 goals and assisted 7. In 08/09 he made just 24 starts but still topped the assists list with 10 and scored 11. He kept up that consistency of around 1 goal/assist per game for 5 seasons straight before this one. He was more like Rooney of 04-08 in that he was as much of a creator as he was a goalscorer up until 2010 or so.
Since 2010 he's scored 58 goals in 70 starts.
Ruud better finisher, Rooney better player (and not a bad finisher either)
I don't know, Ruud was a better finisher but to say Rooney is a better player...
Ruud in his prime was probably a top 3 striker in the world alongside Henry and Sheva, can the same be said of Rooney? Obviously Rooney is brilliant but at the same time Ruud at his.best was insanely clinical
Nice summary.
That bolded part is quite an insane stat, specially considering that this is the Premier League we are talking about, and that he played for Arsenal - not us, City or Chelsea.
Yep, it's incredible. If you're including subs it's 58 goals and 16 assists in 80 appearances, or 48 goals and 16 assists in 63 appearances (56 starts) in the league alone - over a goal or assist per game. And people complained about us signing him!
Ronaldo and Messi have made such goalscoring exploits seem common place but in reality it is a remarkable return
to be fair the complaints were never about RvP himself, it had more to do with us seemingly being "without money" and spending it on a striker or basicaly anywhere else except on a CM.
I doubt anyone had a problem with RvP playing for us, it was more because of the constant ignorance of our midfield problems.
And because of stats like this (copied from Brwned's post):
Don't think anyone denied that if he stays fit he's gonna be a massive asset.
Both Rooney and Van Persie had troubled starts to the 2010-11 season, and then both came to life on January 1st 2011. Brwned's stats actually predate this season, so you add in his start to life at United and since 1st January 2011 RVP has scored 62 in 72, and Rooney has scored 48 in 66. My favourite way of summarising all of this is in the following stat I just worked out.
Since the 1st January 2011 Wayne Rooney and Robin Van Persie have scored 89 goals in the Premier League.
And they both play for us.
Since the 1st January 2011 Wayne Rooney and Robin Van Persie have scored 89 goals in the Premier League.
And they both play for us.
It's foolish to think the Van Persie transfer made any difference, really, but that's not the point...how many better strikers have United had? Arguably just 4 (Rooney, Ruud, Law and Taylor; excluding Cantona and Ronaldo for obvious reasons). Realistically, how could you possibly say no to that? If he does as well as he should then think how ridiculous it'll look in 5 years when you were so busy worrying about the midfield that you somehow didn't want us to sign a player that so many are calling the closest thing to Van Basten they've seen.
Also shouldn't forget, the team we had when Ruud was here wasn't exactly one of our best in recent times.
sorry but why is Cantona excluded? I understand Ronaldo but haven't got a clue why Cantona should be excluded.
me? I was talking in general, mate. And again, it's not "not wanting to sign him" it's "first thing's first, and that's the midfield"
Cantona spent so much time in midfield so it makes no sense to put him in the same bracket as the others.
I was using the royal you. People didn't want us to sign Van Persie, in some cases because they wanted a midfielder instead. In 5 years' time I like to think that'll look like a laughable viewpoint...
I was using the royal you. People didn't want us to sign Van Persie, in some cases because they wanted a midfielder instead. In 5 years' time I like to think that'll look like a laughable viewpoint...
Wayne Rooney scored 34 goals last season, then had had one bad game at Goodison Park, where he never plays well, and now this, in one of the more respectable newspapers:
Wayne Rooney: Are His Best Days Behind Him?
Seriously, football in this country is fecking insane. For the love of God, don't read the comments.
Wayne Rooney: Are His Best Days Behind Him?
Seriously, football in this country is fecking insane. For the love of God, don't read the comments.
Yes Rooney is shit now, the masses have spoken. On a somewhat less deluded note I am hoping these murmurs about a switch to CM are true.
As you are one of Rooneys most vocal supporters, let me ask you one question. In Rooneys own words he turned up for training half a stone overweight because "I drank a few bevvies while I was away." Now for a profesional athlete, who admits himself he puts on weight easily, and will most likely be retired by his early 30s and can spend the next 50 years drinking if he wants, do you find that acceptable?
Did Rooney actually come back to the squad this year putting on weight in the summer or was that related to a few summers back?
They do realise the last time he terrified defences for England was euro 2004 right? 8 years ago, Rooney is not the same type of player anymore and he hasn't been for years.
I don't see how I'm one of Rooney's 'most vocal supporters', I think he's a massive twat, I just recognise he's one of the best players in the world and that a huge number of people, including many United fans, allow their opinion of his character to colour their opinion of his ability. Which strikes me as really rather childish, if I'm honest.
As for the weight thing, no, it's obviously not acceptable, but what's that got to do with anything?
I love/loved watching both of them play. World class strikers. Ironically, they could both have spells during games where they looked like cart horses. Remember how badly Rooney was playing against City before scoring goal of the season. Ruud could be like that too
I've always said they always look great on MOTD because what they do well, they do VERY well.
Both top quality. Different kinds of players so strange to try and compare them
Its delusion to be honest. The whole contract thing is done by all players and remember it was Fergie who told the public. Rooney didnt.
Just curious as to your opinion.
Time really passes fast. Rooney will be turning 28 this time next year. Will be interesting to see how he ages. Will he turn into a poacher as he gets older or mayben drop deeper like Giggs did.
Lazy bastard.
in his defense I think he's basicaly saying that once he loses his legs he'll move into the midfield position, since it'd be pointless to keep playing up top if he can't even run
Neither, this is about his 'decade in the Premier League' and like most of his comments he was making a general comment here about what it's like when he comes back for pre-season. That's what I don't get...surely if people have read the quotes they can see he's not talking about this summer? It's absolutely absurd that people won't allow him a 'couple of bevvies and chip butties' on the summer off.
I had read the quotes in a hurry sometime back so wanted clarification. Why so uptight?
It wasn't directed at you it was more directed at people like Sparky who is yet again jumping at the chance to slam him by misinterpreting anything he says to fit his own agenda. Or they just read the sensationalist headline and a couple of quotes and just lapped up the tabloid spin. Either way it's pretty contemptible...
He seems to get it in the neck from a certain minority of United fans no matter what he does.
I love Wayne Rooney and when he comes back he'll be roaring. Everyone that wanted us to sell him before the transfer window closed are barely supporters in my eyes.
This is the key quote that I haven't seen included in most of the articles which want him to be fat.
"Besides, I know I can shift it in a week or two." [The 7 pounds, after resuming training].
Basically, they've included all the 'I've gained 7 pounds! Seven!" and chip butties, but neglected the fact that he's back to his regular season weight before the first fecking preseason match.
He's a top fecking player, and everyone having a lie in with RvP would do well to remember that Wayne Rooney is definitely in the same bracket as him as a player, and he is still 26 years of age, whereas RvP has just turned 29 (and is in his prime); he's going to be here when RvP isn't, and that doesn't even matter.
Fact is fact; RvP and Rooney are in the same bracket, some like me have Rooney above him, some below, but no-one can argue they aren't in the same class, and those supporting RvP's great performances ought to remember Rooney can and does do just as well.
That's also a top 10 or 15 player in the world, both of them, comfortably. Arguably higher, but whatever. Those are the players you want in your team. Any reason why you'd want to sell Rooney is stupid; even if you wanted the cash to bring in someone better, considering our revenue.
There is absolutely no reason to sell him. Even if Messi came, you'd still rather have Rooney in than out, unless a magical fairy asked you to swap + 30 million or something with no straight cash offer.
"Besides, I know I can shift it in a week or two." [The 7 pounds, after resuming training].
Basically, they've included all the 'I've gained 7 pounds! Seven!" and chip butties, but neglected the fact that he's back to his regular season weight before the first fecking preseason match.
He's a top fecking player, and everyone having a lie in with RvP would do well to remember that Wayne Rooney is definitely in the same bracket as him as a player, and he is still 26 years of age, whereas RvP has just turned 29 (and is in his prime); he's going to be here when RvP isn't, and that doesn't even matter.
Fact is fact; RvP and Rooney are in the same bracket, some like me have Rooney above him, some below, but no-one can argue they aren't in the same class, and those supporting RvP's great performances ought to remember Rooney can and does do just as well.
That's also a top 10 or 15 player in the world, both of them, comfortably. Arguably higher, but whatever. Those are the players you want in your team. Any reason why you'd want to sell Rooney is stupid; even if you wanted the cash to bring in someone better, considering our revenue.
There is absolutely no reason to sell him. Even if Messi came, you'd still rather have Rooney in than out, unless a magical fairy asked you to swap + 30 million or something with no straight cash offer.
That's exactly what I want Rooney to be doing. Picking up the ball, running at players and then ending it with a moment of magic. He has it in him, just has not been doing it near enough in the recent few years.
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