feck it, I'm about to get all hysterical and throw a hissy fit.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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No, it's about the strangely identikit opinion, or feelings rather, of a couple dozen posters, which Plech summarised perfectly.
One could make the argument that stating the team wasn't good enough in 2010 was actually slagging off the club.
And I think that's the problem with Rooney that separates him from the others who have requested moves. The others did it without that sort of tactic. Ronaldo didn't engineer a move by saying United wasn't good enough for him anymore, did he?
And there is now a bad taste in people's mouths that this is taken attention away from SAF's retirement.
And that he's done it before the season ended when the club took back the trophy. And that he's looked often out of form.
He just seems to handle it differently than others.
Personally, I've never felt the same about him after 2010, so I'd be okay with seeing the backside of him. And I'd like to see him sold out of country, so he's gone from the EPL.
that is just sematics - like I said my line, and the time when I started to have an issue with Rooney, is the public statements in 2010 which bought shame on the club (i.e. slagging off the club).
You seem to think what he said was not such a big deal and I think you are in denial because you are a bit of a Rooney fanboy - same reason you go on about him being one of the best players in the world when he is far from it on recent form.
What have I made up?! Nothing at all - my rationale is there for all to see.
I think it is you who seems to be in denial about Rooney's unacceptable behaviour.
In any such circumstance, it's very rarely the calmly objective fan with the laissez faire attitude who's being blindly irrational is it now?
It's generally the vitriolic over emotional one, isn't it?
Be honest, it is, isnt it?
History's always been so kind to the former. Especially on forums.
Is it not just the case that Rooney is completely thick? I mean brainless. A moron.
He's at the best club in the country, being paid the best salary at that club and yet has now looked to move on twice. I reckon he's as thick as two planks and listens too much to his agent. Whenever things don't go his way he throws his toys out of the pram. And prob has an agent who encourages that side of his nature. The guy is a bell end.
He's at the best club in the country, being paid the best salary at that club and yet has now looked to move on twice. I reckon he's as thick as two planks and listens too much to his agent. Whenever things don't go his way he throws his toys out of the pram. And prob has an agent who encourages that side of his nature. The guy is a bell end.
I just think saying the team needs investment isn't slagging the club off.
What exactly is a "fanboy" anyway? I mean, i think he's a great player, yes, though I also think he's not quite the player he ought to have been, for one reason or another... mostly pace and niggling injuries, i think, I have no idea whether he's in bad shape (but I doubt it) or drinks 'endless pints' (also doubt it), as some in this thread claim.
I mean, it's not as if I go on about his jewel-like azure eyes.
What exactly is a "fanboy" anyway? I mean, i think he's a great player, yes, though I also think he's not quite the player he ought to have been, for one reason or another... mostly pace and niggling injuries, i think, I have no idea whether he's in bad shape (but I doubt it) or drinks 'endless pints' (also doubt it), as some in this thread claim.
I mean, it's not as if I go on about his jewel-like azure eyes.
It'd be easier to side with Wayne if he hadn't admitted that the last round of grandstanding wasn't about money. It's bloody obvious what this is all about - manoeuvring over the new contract - and it isn't about being played out of position or being dropped. At least SAF is guaranteed to put United first; can we say the same about Rooney?
No it fecking isn't. It's been the focal point for the past days because of the recent transfer request announcement but this thread is almost 5 years old and has over 11k posts.
I'm a fanboy apparently. To be fair, I've got Rooney duvet covers and Colleen's keep fit DVD.
Keane was rightly turfed out when he slagged off the team and his status as a club legend has fallen yet further due to him continually talking shite about us since leaving.
There were no slave comments, that is a media invention - see my previous posts about that.
But yes you bring up a good point about Ronaldo being a brilliant player for us and that does ineed help fans to overlook off field issues - if Rooney had been performing to the level he was a few years ago then this situation would probably be different as well but he hasnt been so it all contributes.
Still I will never deny that Rooney has been a great player for us and vital to our success in recent times, but he is also a bit of a twat for all the previously explained reasons.
Didn't Ruud apparently put in a transfer request three times? (I think it was Brwned who said this before)
I've always been a big fan of Rooney as comments in this thread will show especially after the Madrid game, they way I see it is he let us down badly in 2010 but he signed on and as long as he wanted to stay I thought we should let that end things but a 2nd transfer request in 3 years is just too much & I can't see any reason why he would want to leave. As long as we don't replace him with Fellaini it is time to let him go, it seems he has got to big for his boots but at the end of his career I am positive he will regret leaving more than we will regret losing him.
Some of the rationalizations here are ridiculous. What makes Rooney a despicable cnut (for holding the club ransom - like Rio did before him, and Saint Roy Keane himself before Rio again) and RVP a “class act” (for leaving Arsenal in a “legitimate” search of trophies) is a matter of personal taste, nothing more.
These players aren’t fans, they have no unconditional love for United like we do. They act under the influence of agents, mates, hangers-on, WAGS and feck knows who else. Their levels of sheer cuntishness and/or stupidity may certainly vary, but in terms of “loyalty” I doubt there’s too much between them.
Some are more likeable than others, for various reasons, that’s about it. The idea that RVP’s or Ronaldo’s motives for moving on to greener pastures were somehow nobler than whatever Rooney’s motives may be for wanting a move now - won’t withstand further scrutiny, I fear.
These players aren’t fans, they have no unconditional love for United like we do. They act under the influence of agents, mates, hangers-on, WAGS and feck knows who else. Their levels of sheer cuntishness and/or stupidity may certainly vary, but in terms of “loyalty” I doubt there’s too much between them.
Some are more likeable than others, for various reasons, that’s about it. The idea that RVP’s or Ronaldo’s motives for moving on to greener pastures were somehow nobler than whatever Rooney’s motives may be for wanting a move now - won’t withstand further scrutiny, I fear.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/ronaldo-i-am-a-slave-864958.html
Ronaldo declared last night that he agreed with the Fifa president Sepp Blatter's assertion that Manchester United should stop treating him like a "modern-day slave" and release him to Real Madrid.
"I agree with the statements of the president, he is right," Ronaldo said and, pressed on where he would spend next season, he reiterated the point. "You know what I said, what I want and what I would like. Let's see. I agree completely with the president of Fifa. Now I have to wait and see, but I do not know where I will begin the season."
To be fair he did back up Blatters comments. I suspect Blatter was just pleasing Real though.
I'm a.. slave! Britney Spears? They ought've done a trio.
That's true. But I still reckon Rooney has very little between the ears. And, as such, is more likely to be manipulated by an agent.
I'm no fan of Keane these days but what a player he was, you say he held the club to ransom but even after his increase he could have had so much more, the wage structure United had at that time wasn't even close to clubs of a comparable size abroad.
Have I mentioned he's got piercing blue eyes? Who needs a brain with those diamonds eh?
RvP is allowed to cause hubbub because he's dreamy and gets everyone moist.
Yes. But didn't we learn about them after? The Ruud situation came to head after the fight with Ronaldo and we seemed to learn about the transfer requests after.
I could be wrong but that's how i remember it.
Stuck with Arsenal... They stuck with him whilst he was out injured for 6 years, and he fecked off first chance he got. He had the opportunity to contribute to Arsenal winning a trophy, to become a legend at the club, but he refused to sign a contract and knew they'd have to sell him with 1 year left on his deal for less than they could get, and he ignored their wishes to sell him abroad, instead insisting on crossing over one of the biggest rivalries in the Premier League era.. But that's makes him a stand up guy because they were on a barren run, and Rooney's a cnut because his club's won the league.. Seems logical.
Rooney's stopped trying
Regularly papped eating burgers
Honestly, the shit people come out with, surely you lot have enough ammunition to use against him instead of bringing up the fact he went for a meal 2 nights before a match (with Evans), 18 months ago, and therefore claiming he has a serial boozing problem.
Do you know what Ronaldo was asked? He might have been asked a fraction of what Blatter said and asked to share his opinions. He agrees and the media has a story to write.
I doubt that he read Blatter's statements and decided to comment first hand. Also, his English isn't immaculate. Far from it.
Blatter also denies making these slave comments about Ronaldo. Funny that, how the media spins it. They're so notorious at it that I don't believe anything that a footballer says unless I'm seeing and hearing him saying it. The whispering game has more credibility.
I don't see anyone being calmly objective here.I think that is the exact point where our opinions differ completely - to me the comments he made at that time were unacceptable, especially when it was all just a media game to get a better salary. Whereas you seem to have no issue with them.
Probably going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
In this instance, I use 'fanboy' as someone who is unable to see a player's obvious flaws (both on and off the pitch).
Do you think Rooney has been a 'great' player this season?
Blatter was Real's honorary president at the time. It was covered by all the broadsheets. As for spin, I'd rather back the broadsheets over the most corrupt man in football. Besides he could've sued for liberal. Or something.
During the celebrations today they played Rooneys song over the tannoy but nobody was joining in because it was Rooney. Phil Jones ran over to him and put his arm round him whilst jumping up and down, but Rooney just seemed to pull his arm off him and shove him away. Seemed a bit of a cnutish thing to do.
To be fair to Rio, he's been fantastically devoted since. He was young, he probably had someone whispering in his ear. Rooney did it in 2010 and he's doing it again now. It's not a tummy ache, you don't just go around throwing transfer requests about. Twat. That's Rooney, not you.
Stuck with Arsenal... They stuck with him whilst he was out injured for 6 years, and he fecked off first chance he got. He had the opportunity to contribute to Arsenal winning a trophy, to become a legend at the club, but he refused to sign a contract and knew they'd have to sell him with 1 year left on his deal for less than they could get, and he ignored their wishes to sell him abroad, instead insisting on crossing over one of the biggest rivalries in the Premier League era.. But that's makes him a stand up guy because they were on a barren run, and Rooney's a cnut because his club's won the league.. Seems logical.
Rooney's stopped trying
Regularly papped eating burgers
Honestly, the shit people come out with, surely you lot have enough ammunition to use against him instead of bringing up the fact he went for a meal 2 nights before a match (with Evans), 18 months ago, and therefore claiming he has a serial boozing problem.
Rooneys unfit, he plays games at a walking pace, he doesn't play with enough care and desire. Denying any of these things is delusion.
And RVP's situation shouldn't be compared to Rooney, RVP gave his all for Arsenal, even in his final months, can Rooney say the same? he was garbage around the time of his last transfer request and he's been garbage in the time surrounding this one.
I'd say trying to put very recent, half reported events into a wider and less sensationalised context, referencing similar circumstances and their reactions, whilst trying to consider the possible viewpoints of those involved without getting wound up or hostile towards protagonists you've no interaction or close association with whatsoever is the bare minimum of objectivity. Which I reckon a fair few people in here are at least trying to do.
Telling people they're naive for not accepting an openly biased, semi-emotional opinion of someone elses half understood behaviour as unacceptable is pretty much the opposite.
I don't think we should prostitute ourselves for the wants of Wayne Rooney. Nor that we really need to. He can go if he likes. But I'm not going to throw his entire career and everything he's done for me as a United fan out of the window and whine about what a cnut he is cos I'm buthurt. As I didn't with Ronaldo, Beckham, Ruud, Keane, or any of them. They're footballers, not my lovers. And I find it amusing fans can cherry pick the actions of some as kosha, and others cnutish, to suit whatever personal preferences take them.
Especially when this "saga" is not yet resolved.
Ah well, they're the losers in this scenario.
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Unfortunate turn of phrase there.
Saw a tweet before...
'At Old Trafford today there's a man burning effigies of Wayne Rooney and selling them on...oh wait it's a baked potato stand'
'At Old Trafford today there's a man burning effigies of Wayne Rooney and selling them on...oh wait it's a baked potato stand'
Maybe quite fortunate, that's likely to be exactly what he wants.
I will be devastated if he leaves, but I respect his wishes.
If his destination is Bayern, who among us can fail to understand? Bayern are a club in ascendancy, with passionate and respectful fans. After this season, United will be a club in rapid decline, with fans willing to boo and personally attack a player who has graced the football club with 9 years of tremendous service.
At United he faces the prospect of working with a manager as dull as Moyes, while at Bayern he has the chance to work with the visionary Guardiola. At Bayern, he can play alongside world class talents like Mario Götze, while at United he can settle to play alongside third rate talents like Wilfried Zaha. At Bayern, he will receive service from the likes of Franck Ribéry and Thomas Müller, while at United he has Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young.
If his destination is Bayern, who among us can fail to understand? Bayern are a club in ascendancy, with passionate and respectful fans. After this season, United will be a club in rapid decline, with fans willing to boo and personally attack a player who has graced the football club with 9 years of tremendous service.
At United he faces the prospect of working with a manager as dull as Moyes, while at Bayern he has the chance to work with the visionary Guardiola. At Bayern, he can play alongside world class talents like Mario Götze, while at United he can settle to play alongside third rate talents like Wilfried Zaha. At Bayern, he will receive service from the likes of Franck Ribéry and Thomas Müller, while at United he has Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young.
Thanks for the tip-off, Nostrodamus.
Christ, if they're that much better than us then Rooney's going to find himself warming the bench. He's not even our best player and got dropped from our biggest game of the season.
Obviously if he goes to City, or to a lesser extent Chelsea, then that makes things different. And would set him apart from the others frequently mentioned in this thread.
Until that happens though, It's surely best to not go too cuckoo over the whole thing.
Until that happens though, It's surely best to not go too cuckoo over the whole thing.
If I was him, I'd want to leave the country just because of the abuse. The Twitter stuff alone is shameful, let alone the rubbish crowds chant at him. Who would want to be famous in modern Britain? Sheesh...
Just sell him and re-invest already. Such a circus this is turning out to be.
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