Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Sparky_Hughes said:
So just to clarify your last paragraph you are in the keep playing rooney when out of form camp?
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With the options we have now, it shouldnt be the case. It was okay till last season as we didnt have someone much better to do that anyways. Now with RVP and Kagawa, we have far too many options to play any player who's out of form for too long.

That said, the problem is that Rooney always takes games to get into the groove, benching him wont help things.

Still, the overall good of the team takes precedence. Off form = Bench and sub appearances to get back.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Since when do footballers only watch "highlight reels" of other matches? It's not like they lack the time or the technology to record games and watch them in full. Stands to reason that most footballers watch as much, if not more, football as most fans.

Anyway, even if the only time he ever watched Rooney play was when he was on the same pitch as him I'd rate Xavi's opinion over anyone on here.
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Does that mean if you held an opinion and Xavi held the opposite view it would make you question your own opinion? Just because somebody is a great footballer it doesn't automatically make their opinion more valid than anyone else's.
 
Even when he's out of form, Rooney contributes a lot to our play. And as we saw last season, he's more than capable of picking up goals as well when playing below his best. But the same old people will come in here and blast him because he had a bad game at Goodison (the same people will come in and slate him after he inevitably plays poorly at Anfield in some weeks) where everyone was off form. And ofcourse since he earns around 180k a week it means he's not permitted to have a bad game.
 
wr8_utd said:
Even when he's out of form, Rooney contributes a lot to our play. And as we saw last season, he's more than capable of picking up goals as well when playing below his best. But the same old people will come in here and blast him because he had a bad game at Goodison (the same people will come in and slate him after he inevitably plays poorly at Anfield in some weeks) where everyone was off form. And ofcourse since he earns around 180k a week it means he's not permitted to have a bad game.
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No player should be immune from criticism. Rooney used to get a lot more leeway than others but he's made things difficult for himself by allowing himself to fall below peak physical conditioning and his tendency toward complacency. All this would probably be swept under the carpet a lot more often were it not for his negotiating tactics.

For me, I thought Rooney was terrible on Monday and I do think he would benefit from the knowledge he isn't gaurenteed to play every minute. Saying that I still think he should play today because he's a great goalscorer.
 
Varun_Utd said:
With the options we have now, it shouldnt be the case. It was okay till last season as we didnt have someone much better to do that anyways. Now with RVP and Kagawa, we have far too many options to play any player who's out of form for too long.

That said, the problem is that Rooney always takes games to get into the groove, benching him wont help things.

Still, the overall good of the team takes precedence. Off form = Bench and sub appearances to get back.
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I agree, the only reason I asked is in an earlier post Art said young players have a point to prove to the manager, but surely EVERY player has a point to prove every time they play, and that is that they are more deserving of their place than other players in the squad. Now, obviously when rooney is on form he is undroppable, but now we have some compatition that is either on his level or very close to it prolonged dips in form, say four or more consecutive games, should result in benching.

No doubt my perfectly reasonable post will be completely ignored because it doesnt toe the party line of rooney being the all conquering hero who can do no wrong. Just like every post I made last season praising him is ignored because I apparently do nothing but bash him.
 
wr8_utd said:
Even when he's out of form, Rooney contributes a lot to our play. And as we saw last season, he's more than capable of picking up goals as well when playing below his best. But the same old people will come in here and blast him because he had a bad game at Goodison (the same people will come in and slate him after he inevitably plays poorly at Anfield in some weeks) where everyone was off form. And ofcourse since he earns around 180k a week it means he's not permitted to have a bad game.
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Wages have nothing to do with it, the same rules apply to everyone. Everyone is permitted to have bad games, its just that they shouldnt expect to keep getting picked even when having bad ones continually, that's what people are saying. Not that he should have a good game whenever he plays.

And why have so many attacking options if we play him regardless of his form?
 
IF wayne has another stinker today, he gets dropped next game - its simple.

We now have another world class striker, and we have other hungry players; wayne cant live off reputation. Hopefully he goes out and shows us all why he should be undroppable today, we need players of his calibre to step up and win the game when its not going well for us, but he was awful monday, that header he missed was bread and butter.
 
Adam-Utd said:
IF wayne has another stinker today, he gets dropped next game - its simple.

We now have another world class striker, and we have other hungry players; wayne cant live off reputation. Hopefully he goes out and shows us all why he should be undroppable today, we need players of his calibre to step up and win the game when its not going well for us, but he was awful monday, that header he missed was bread and butter.
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No it's not. He's been our main man for a long time now and that gives you more breathing space than 2 games in August. He'll be fine.
 
wr8_utd said:
Even when he's out of form, Rooney contributes a lot to our play. And as we saw last season, he's more than capable of picking up goals as well when playing below his best. But the same old people will come in here and blast him because he had a bad game at Goodison (the same people will come in and slate him after he inevitably plays poorly at Anfield in some weeks) where everyone was off form. And ofcourse since he earns around 180k a week it means he's not permitted to have a bad game.
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That's the problem with Rooney; when he's at his bottom level he really doesn't contribute anything to our play. He doesn't get involved enough and when he does he ends up clumbsily giving the ball away. A lot of world class player can still contribute when at their bottom level, however Rooney really isn't one of them. Not everyone was off form on Monday as well, especially when you look at how Kagawa and De Gea played. If he only hit that bottom level very occasionally then I'd be fine with it, but what annoys a lot of people is that the bottom level shows up too often for a player of his undoubted quality.
 
Still ill said:
No it's not. He's been our main man for a long time now and that gives you more breathing space than 2 games in August. He'll be fine.
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Which is exactly the problem, why should it take him 5 games to start playing anything near like his top form? hes a professional footballer who is paid a shitload of money, that is what pre season is for.

He never used to have this problem when he was younger, he needs to take care of himself properly in the off season to avoid it.

If he was not the "main man" i guarantee it would not be the same issue, if he was in barcelonas team do you think they would settle for it? :nono:
 
Adam-Utd said:
Which is exactly the problem, why should it take him 5 games to start playing anything near like his top form? hes a professional footballer who is paid a shitload of money, that is what pre season is for.

He never used to have this problem when he was younger, he needs to take care of himself properly in the off season to avoid it.

If he was not the "main man" i guarantee it would not be the same issue, if he was in barcelonas team do you think they would settle for it? :nono:
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You don't drop one of your very best player after two stinkers. If he continues to have them well into Semptember, then fair enough, but it's too premature to just shove him onto the bench after a couple of bad games. Fergie is wise: he knows it's only going to cause some friction as Rooney won't be happy with being prematurely dropped.

You act as if it's become a regular thing as well, when he started brilliantly last season and he started well in the 2009/2010 season. 2010/2011 is the only other recent one where his start was awful.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Which is exactly the problem, why should it take him 5 games to start playing anything near like his top form? hes a professional footballer who is paid a shitload of money, that is what pre season is for.

He never used to have this problem when he was younger, he needs to take care of himself properly in the off season to avoid it.

If he was not the "main man" i guarantee it would not be the same issue, if he was in barcelonas team do you think they would settle for it? :nono:
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Oh behave yourself. Are you telling me if Messi has a stinker on the opening day, he's consigned to the bench? Players have off days, they're human. I'm telling you he'll be fine.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Messi is completely irreplaceable though, to be fair. With the players we now have at our disposal, Rooney is not as vital as he was in the last year or two. I agree he'll be fine though.
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I chose an extreme example, which in hindsight, I regret. I could put in Danny Graham and the point still stands. I know you're not disagreeing.
 
Cheesy said:
You don't drop one of your very best player after two stinkers. If he continues to have them well into Semptember, then fair enough, but it's too premature to just shove him onto the bench after a couple of bad games. Fergie is wise: he knows it's only going to cause some friction as Rooney won't be happy with being prematurely dropped.

You act as if it's become a regular thing as well, when he started brilliantly last season and he started well in the 2009/2010 season. 2010/2011 is the only other recent one where his start was awful.
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Still ill said:
Oh behave yourself. Are you telling me if Messi has a stinker on the opening day, he's consigned to the bench? Players have off days, they're human. I'm telling you he'll be fine.
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Looks like apparently you do. Not saying i agree he should be dropped but i can see why fergie has done it. Wayne needs a kick up the ass, he needs to know he cannot rest on his laurels anymore.
 
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That was really nasty. Bad luck for Roo. Hopefully it'll get healed in no time. He seemed strong, but those types of injuries are really bad.

Good we have plenty of forwards
 
Will probably only miss one United match as internationals are coming up. Back in three weeks is my prediction.
 
Looked even worse when in the shot where they put him down on the ground. Hopefully no muscle tear or anything?
 
Good thing we have the international break then.
Will probably miss 2 games.
 
Hopefully its just a flesh wound and its blood making it look bigger than it actually is. Really hope its just a surface wound though. Any deeper and he will miss a few weeks :(
 
Dargonk said:
Hopefully its just a flesh wound and its blood making it look bigger than it actually is. Really hope its just a surface wound though. Any deeper and he will miss a few weeks :(
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It is his reaction that worries. Rooney is no pansie. You don't see him rolling on the floor for minor stuff. That looked like it cut muscle there.
 
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