Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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I think he was dropped for Inter away in 08/09 in the round of 16, also got subbed off in the CL final in 09 and there have been a few, albeit rare, instances of Rooney not being involved.

Didn't expect it to happen tonight, though.
 
wr8_utd said:
Rooney a mentally fragile player? :lol:
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Ummmmm YEAH! Every time he has been involved in a ( self caused) off field drama his form has goes to shit in a handbag. Compare that to the likes of keane, becks and ronaldo who used the trouble and abuse to spur them on and play some of the best football of their careers and calling Rooney mentally fragile seems fair.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Ummmmm YEAH! Every time he has been involved in a ( self caused) off field drama his form has goes to shit in a handbag. Compare that to the likes of keane, becks and ronaldo who used the trouble and abuse to spur them on and play some of the best football of their careers and calling Rooney mentally fragile seems fair.
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Or the greatest example is C.Ronaldo.
 
Media will be focusing on pumping out a load of shite about Rooney leaving in the summer.
 
Only takes one or two idiotic pundits with air time to start some bollocks about Rooney, he isn't go anywhere this summer.
 
Rooney shouldn't have started over Welbeck. That would have been completely wrong imo. For me Welbeck and Giggsy both justified their selection more than anyone else.

Its RvP that I think Rooney should have started ahead of. His form hasn't been to his usual high standards in the past few games and looks laboured, in need of a rest and even possibly like he might still be feeling the effects of the knock on his hip at Loftus Road (the fact that he clutched it after he played the ball in for Kagawas first goal against Norwich suggests to me that it could still be affecting him to some degree).

Most will probably disagree. I know Robin has been great for us but his form has dropped off a bit lately and on recent form alone I think Rooney justified selection more.
 
Great Caf logic in the last couple of pages.

"He's our best player so it's surprising he didn't start against Madrid"
"What? How can he be our best player if he didn't even start against Madrid?"

It's a matter of opinion who's better out of Rooney and RVP, but it's certainly true that his versatility has resulted in him being sacrificed a lot at United.
 
Anyways why shouldn't have Rooney started over Welbeck.

We were the home team and clearly capable of beating Madrid at home.

Welbeck as good as a worker,etc he might he just isn't that much of a threat.

We were the home side, they should be marking our best players. Not us doing it.

Btw I am not saying Fergie's tactics were not going right before the red. In fact we were doing well. But just explaining why Rooney should have played more. He may not be in the Ronaldo/Messi/Iniesta/Ibrahimovich class but surely much much more of threat and pretty damn good player than Danny Welbeck. Add to the fact that Rooney himself is hustler and tracks back and that RVP is clearly going through a poor patch of form
 
Fergie was proved correct once again by his team selection.

But Rooney will have been gutted. He will find it very difficult to accept IMO.
 
Adebesi said:
With hindsight I agree. Would've been an equally big call before the game though. It would have begged the question, if he is so tired, why wasn't he rested more in the games leading up to now?
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Well he's come out and said in interviews recently that he prefers not to be rested and to play in every game because he gets in a rhythm, but his recent form contradicts that opinion imo.
 
Quite. If he had any sort of rhythm that would be a legitimate position.

There is no knowing Rooney would have done any better last night, if I could rewind the clock and make the decision myself I would put Rooney in his place, it might have made a difference it might not.

But as for the rest of the team selection, SAF was vindicated. And I think Rooney, watching the game from the bench, will have been able to see that.
 
Plechazunga said:
Great Caf logic in the last couple of pages.

"He's our best player so it's surprising he didn't start against Madrid"
"What? How can he be our best player if he didn't even start against Madrid?"

It's a matter of opinion who's better out of Rooney and RVP, but it's certainly true that his versatility has resulted in him being sacrificed a lot at United.
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I agree Rooney's spirit is unquestionable but if he showed consistently that he was indispensable (as a No.10?) then he wouldn't be shifted around like he has.

All I would say is that he has not hit the stratospheric heights expected of him after a dazzling start to his United career. That's my opinion and not simply being influenced by the media.

Personally, I want to see Kagawa given more time in the No.10 role directly behind RVP or Welbeck or Chicharito, but I know Rooney is revered by some United fans on here so I expect to be shot down!

We don't know what SAF thinks about Rooney's future, regardless of the media conjecture, but the media is hardly reproachable for raising the possibility that Rooney's future may lie elsewhere.
 
With respect, Rooney is on a different planet football ability wise, and what he gives to the team to Kagawa.
 
Amir said:
That's just tactically naive. And it doesn't work that way in football.
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Well I agree.

What I wanted to put through was we were the home team and Rooney could have done the job Webeck did (maybe not as well) along with a way better attacking threat and quality which Welbeck lacks.
 
Sultan said:
With respect, Rooney is on a different planet football ability wise, and what he gives to the team to Kagawa.
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With respect, I said I personally would like to see Kagawa in the No.10 position. He may become MORE effective than Rooney has been.

With respect, I thought in Ronaldo's last couple of seasons that HE was on a different planet to Rooney.

We all have our opinions.
 
Glad we didn't start Rooney, had the perfect game plan last night. Anyone thinking we should've played Rooney up front on his own hasn't seen Rooney play up front on his own in recent years, and anyone thinking he should've been on the wing obviously didn't see the first leg.
 
iSparky said:
Media will be focusing on pumping out a load of shite about Rooney leaving in the summer.
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It may not be shite, though. I don't think anyone can fail to see that when Fergie has spoken about him this season it hasn't always been as effusive or positive as it has been in the past. Equally it could just have been one game and he'll be back in the team for the rest of the season but I don't think it can be dismissed so readily.
 
Personally I think it was just the game plan... I couldn't understand it either, but Fergie got it spot on. Without the red card, Rooney would've come on around the hour mark and make a big difference. Nothing to see here IMO, Rooney will start most games until the end of the season as he's one of our best players.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Fergie was proved correct once again by his team selection.

But Rooney will have been gutted. He will find it very difficult to accept IMO.
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The team and tactics selected were certainly working but who's to say how we would have played with Rooney instead?

I must admit I find it a little frustrating that Fergie feels we aren't good enough to play our own game.
 
Cold_Boy said:
Well I agree.

What I wanted to put through was we were the home team and Rooney could have done the job Webeck did (maybe not as well) along with a way better attacking threat and quality which Welbeck lacks.
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Maybe. But it Madrid it was Welbeck who played well and did a good job on Xabi Alonso while Rooney wasn't very good.
 
Chrisjn said:
There's so many games he just doesn't look focused at all. You can't afford that against Madrid.
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He's scored 11 in 14 games and has been our best player for years, you dont leave him out of the biggest game of the year no matter what. If you aren't going to trust a player like Rooney in the big games then it's pointless having him at the club.
 
Castia said:
He's scored 11 in 14 games and has been our best player for years, you dont leave him out of the biggest game of the year no matter what.
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NO ONE is undroppable at United and the way last night turned out SAF was proved right. When Becks was benched against RM He came off the bench like a man possesed and almost won us the game, Rooney came off the bench and reminded me of exactly why he was there in the first place.
 
Personally thought it was the right move for tactical purposes. He is one player i would want to come on nice and fresh to see out the game from 60/70 minutes
 
I'm not judging Kagawa to what he's done at Dortmund. I hardly knew he existed. I am basing my opinion on his short time at United. He has basically had a good 45 minutes, compared to Rooney who has been one of United's best player and a vital cog to our success over the last decade.
 
I hope someone is keeping track of the many pundits who are now absolutely certain Rooney's gone in the summer.
 
My reaction to the initial decision to drop Rooney was as knee jerk as they come. I had visions of Rooney bringing up the Bayern game as a major part of his argument when that whole contract thing came up. Something like, "look, Manchester United are slipping, we are not buying the best players to allow us to compete at the highest level, when we played Bayern Munich I had to play despite being injured because we dont have the quality elsewhere to compete with them unless Im on the pitch."

And then SAF, cold, vindictive man that he is, biding his time, quietly strengthening the team, especially with the arrival of Van Persie, and waiting for the perfect opportunity, the first big CL night of similar significance, to drop him so he could ram those words down his throat.

That was my initial thought, as to what had happened. It flashed through my head. But it doesnt really stand up to scrutiny. SAF is not so vindictive he would put a petty concern like that above his desire to win the game. So I put the thought to the back of my mind, and it was flushed away pretty much entirely when the plan worked so well for the first 60 odd minutes of the game.

But the thought still lingers. It seems completely ridiculous, but at the same time, not altogether impossible. Still cant see him going though. He will play a massive part in the remainder of our season, which looks set to be a very successful one, and all will be well.
 
Sir Alex got his tactics right yesterday. However, that should not be seen as a question mark against Rooney, or his ability.
 
Zen86 said:
Then why was he dropped?
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For tactical reasons I guess, he wanted to play Giggs in his role. I have no problem with Giggs playing, he did a good job last night that's not my argument. Im just saying Rooney is one of our best players, has been for years and he's been in decent form lately, astonished that he's been dropped for such a big game, we play him out of position most of the time then drop him for this It's just beginning to look like 'what's the point?' in having him at the club if you can't play him in one of the biggest games in years.
 
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