Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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We saw it as recently as last season. His form in the opening games was probably the best in a United shirt so far. A bit up and down from that point onwards but his tally of goals speaks for itself. I just don't buy this argument that he's somehow scoring a shit-load of goals purely on the basis that he's lucky enough to get picked regularly to play for Manchester United. If he wasn't as productive/effective as he has been these last few years he wouldn't get picked. Simple as that. Fergie's shown himself to be ruthless plenty of times in the past when any given player is not doing his bit for the cause.

Fergie has made a lot of exceptions when it comes to Rooney.
 
Really? What sort of exceptions?

Also, if you think he has made exceptions, why do you think that would be? Surely that would only confirm what a quality/important player he's been for us? Fergie's no mug after all.

Is, IMO, bang on the money.

:lol: 90 minutes and a poor performance then this...
 
Seriously some of the responses on here are slap-worthy.

We play one game where we totaly get bossed by Fellaini, and somehow people are already talking about Rooney being benched? Are you guys serious? I'm asking you again just to make sure, are you?

True, he had a bad game, but if you're a United fan you should know by now it usualy takes Rooney a game or two to get going (last season was an exception, which in my opinion had a lot to do with a free summer for him and being able to gel quicker with signings made over the summer, you could see it in the preseason).

What would benching him achieve appart from upsetting him and some fans? Nothing. He has to play in order to be the player we know he is, putting him on the bench would be ludacris. Oh and did I actually see someone say "now that Kagawa and RvP have a partnership they can score goals and Rooney might be benched" or something in that manner? They've been on the pitch together for like 20 minutes, and RvP hardly touched the ball, incredibile partnership right there.

Bottom line is, Rooney's classed as a world-class player and our best player for a reason, it's also why he's a proven starter and will continue to be just that, some of you are just ignorant and/or still upset about the whole contract debacle. Guess what? It's behind us/Rooney/United, it didn't cost you a fecking dime, he apologized, he keeps putting in great performances and scoring goals, just move on will you?
 
While he deserved all of the criticism he got for last night, I have to agree that calls for him to be benched and not only premature but kneejerk as well. He should definitely start in our next game.
 
The problem with Wayne is that the likes of Messi and Ronaldo has shifted the bar really high for players to be deemed world class. Calling Wayne world class when we see him struggling on some weeks is hard to take when we see Messi and Ronaldo scoring a goal or two for what seems like whole season long.
 
The problem with Wayne is that the likes of Messi and Ronaldo has shifted the bar really high for players to be deemed world class. Calling Wayne world class when we see him struggling on some weeks is hard to take when we see Messi and Ronaldo scoring a goal or two for what seems like whole season long.

Messi and Ronaldo are in a league of their own to be fair, and I'd say Rooney, Xavi and Iniesta are below them, but above others.

It really is unfair, I mean a player should be able to be world-class without having to be a mutant :D
 
Bottom line is, Rooney's classed as a world-class player and our best player for a reason, it's also why he's a proven starter and will continue to be just that, some of you are just ignorant and/or still upset about the whole contract debacle. Guess what? It's behind us/Rooney/United, it didn't cost you a fecking dime, he apologized, he keeps putting in great performances and scoring goals, just move on will you?

As I said, benching him does nore bad than good, but only because of the distraction and his inevitable resentment.

He is a very good player, and one of our best players, but I don't get why he is world class, not 200,000 ounds a week world class. I don't even think Van Persie is worth that. The only ones who should be paid that are Messi and Ronaldo, and possibly Iniesta.
 
As I said, benching him does nore bad than good, but only because of the distraction and his inevitable resentment.

He is a very good player, and one of our best players, but I don't get why he is world class, not 200,000 ounds a week world class. I don't even think Van Persie is worth that. The only ones who should be paid that are Messi and Ronaldo, and possibly Iniesta.
1) No, the main reason is that he needs game time in order to get in form.
2) He is our best player (and world-class)
3) Every footballer's overpaid, take a look at how much money some talentless players are cashing in.
4) Iniesta is an excellent world-class player, but he shouldn't have been singled out here.
 
Really? What sort of exceptions?

Also, if you think he has made exceptions, why do you think that would be? Surely that would only confirm what a quality/important player he's been for us? Fergie's no mug after all.

Really, now whos talking shit? Do you think any other player saf has had would have started week in week out if they played the way rooney did from his ankle injury against bayern right the way through to january of the following year? Deny it all you want but for that period the team carried him. Saf has bent over backward to accomadate rooney and, granted he has repayed us since then with his goals, but there will come a point when the special treatment just isnt worth it. Are we there yet? Unlikely but I dont believe its as far away as you think.
 
Really, now whos talking shit? Do you think any other player saf has had would have started week in week out if they played the way rooney did from his ankle injury against bayern right the way through to january of the following year? Deny it all you want but for that period the team carried him. Saf has bent over backward to accomadate rooney and, granted he has repayed us since then with his goals, but there will come a point when the special treatment just isnt worth it. Are we there yet? Unlikely but I dont believe its as far away as you think.

WHY do you think Fergie has "bent over backwards" to accomodate a player you clearly don't think is worth the effort?
 
Let's not be sticking Rooney on the same level as Xavi and Iniesta, that's just being silly.

Yes, let's. What I think is silly is your obvios dislike for Rooney, now I might not be in the mains for a long time, but every time I see a post of yours and Rooney's in it, you "bash" him (just incase anybody wants to nit-pick this part, I mean being generaly negative all the time about him)

We'll see about this season. He's a great player, but I think both RVP and Kagawa will have something to say about who is our best player.

Outside of United there's a tonne of people that rate RVP over Rooney.

I repeat, he's still our best player until proven otherwise.

I'd really like to meet these so called "tons of people" that rate RvP over Rooney. I'm sure some people do (like yourself), and fair game who am I to tell you who to like or not, but to me it's kind of funny that you're saying stuff like that when we played one game, with Rooney being well-known for having to get some minutes under his belt before getting into his stride, and RvP playing a virtualy inivisible 25 minutes on the pitch.
Oh and honestly how many of these "tons of people" remember only as far back as last year when RvP was finally injury free and was being depended on by the whole team, or are Arsenal fans that shaired their opinion prior to him leaving them.
 
I've seen plenty of players who've tried to become first-choice but failed to score enough goals to secure their place. You're putting the cart before the horse there.

Those players are either at a new club now or looking for one, so that's pretty irrelevant imo. Rooney obviously has the talent and ability to play up front for us, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from him.

We saw it as recently as last season. His form in the opening games was probably the best in a United shirt so far. A bit up and down from that point onwards but his tally of goals speaks for itself. I just don't buy this argument that he's somehow scoring a shit-load of goals purely on the basis that he's lucky enough to get picked regularly to play for Manchester United. If he wasn't as productive/effective as he has been these last few years he wouldn't get picked. Simple as that. Fergie's shown himself to be ruthless plenty of times in the past when any given player is not doing his bit for the cause.

It's been a recurring theme on here, people talking about Rooney as though he's somehow regressed as a footballer. I couldn't disagree more. He's always been somewhat inconsistent. He's always blown hot and cold. In recent years he's been able to keep on scoring goals, even when he's struggling for form. This is testament to his continuing development as a footballer, rather than some sort of happy coincidence. Previously these spells of poor form would mean goal droughts, not least in his debut season which everyone seems to recall him as being a scouse Messi but - in reality - he went a dozen or so consecutive league games without scoring a single goal and scored just 17 goals by season's end.

Obviously, we're all hoping to see more conistency in terms of his form. There's no reason to think this won't happen and it's crazy that so many people are wheeling out all the old criticisms after 90 minutes of football in which the service in to our forwards was almost nonexistent. I can guarantee that a lot of the comments on this thread in the last 12 hours will look borderline hysterical in a couple of weeks time. Wait and see.

Rooney was definitely brilliant at the start of last season, but as you mention it didn't last that long. I didn't say that he has regressed as a footballer at all (I certainly didn't mean to) - I simply said that his game has changed and because of that it makes sense to expect more goals than we probably used to. I agree that the fact that he kept scoring goals despite playing poorly last season is a sign that he has improved, but I still think it's an issue that he's playing poorly for as many games as he does.

I'm don't agree that saying "Ferguson picks him, so he's playing good enough" is entirely accurate. I don't think it's as simple as that. As everyone on here Ferguson knows that an on-form Rooney can make the difference and because of that Rooney gets a longer leash than other players might. Of course Rooney also gets a longer leash because he's shown in the past what he's capable of - it's how it works everywhere. Do you think Ferguson has been completely satisfied with Rooney's performances though?

As said before, my posts here aren't purely based on the Everton game last night. It's based on last season and the one before as well. Of course I hope that Rooney goes out and shuts people like me up, but that doesn't change the fact that I think he's been below his level for too many games for my liking over the past few years.
 
Those players are either at a new club now or looking for one, so that's pretty irrelevant imo. Rooney obviously has the talent and ability to play up front for us, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from him.



Rooney was definitely brilliant at the start of last season, but as you mention it didn't last that long. I didn't say that he has regressed as a footballer at all (I certainly didn't mean to) - I simply said that his game has changed and because of that it makes sense to expect more goals than we probably used to. I agree that the fact that he kept scoring goals despite playing poorly last season is a sign that he has improved, but I still think it's an issue that he's playing poorly for as many games as he does.

I'm don't agree that saying "Ferguson picks him, so he's playing good enough" is entirely accurate. I don't think it's as simple as that. As everyone on here Ferguson knows that an on-form Rooney can make the difference and because of that Rooney gets a longer leash than other players might. Of course Rooney also gets a longer leash because he's shown in the past what he's capable of - it's how it works everywhere. Do you think Ferguson has been completely satisfied with Rooney's performances though?

As said before, my posts here aren't purely based on the Everton game last night. It's based on last season and the one before as well. Of course I hope that Rooney goes out and shuts people like me up, but that doesn't change the fact that I think he's been below his level for too many games for my liking over the past few years.
Ok, it's not like you don't generaly make sense or anything, but first you say he hasn't degressed at all, simply changed some parts of his game, while you end with "I think he's been below his level for too many games for my liking over the past few years".

Anyways, you've made your case, it's not like I'm trying to be a dick about this or anything.

If I might add I think that we should see a much stronger attacking display vs. Fulham (not just from Rooney, but I think he should improve the most over the last game), even though our defense will need to be sharp as well given the manner in which they won the first game.
 
As ever with Rooney, the truth lies smack bang in the middle. He gave a very average performance; certainly nowhere near as bad as some have made out.

Thing is, Rooney polarises debate because he's our best player. When he's on form (majority of the time), he's fantastic. When the entire team is below par, Rooney cops all the stick because we have higher expectations of him.
 
Yes, let's. What I think is silly is your obvios dislike for Rooney, now I might not be in the mains for a long time, but every time I see a post of yours and Rooney's in it, you "bash" him (just incase anybody wants to nit-pick this part, I mean being generaly negative all the time about him)

Yeah, "let's" despite it being far from the truth.
 
As ever with Rooney, the truth lies smack bang in the middle. He gave a very average performance; certainly nowhere near as bad as some have made out.

Thing is, Rooney polarises debate because he's our best player. When he's on form (majority of the time), he's fantastic. When the entire team is below par, Rooney cops all the stick because we have higher expectations of him.

You think Van Persie got a lot of stick from Arsenal fans last season? Doubt it. You tend to go easy on your best players. Ronaldo was rarely criticized here because his ridiculous level of play in general compensated for the odd poor one.
 
I think most neutral fans would rate Van Persie as a better player than Rooney. I'm a United fan and I would have him down as being the better striker last season.

Rooney's probably a more useful player because of his versatility and workrate but you could definitely make a case for Van Persie being a better striker.
 
You think Van Persie got a lot of stick from Arsenal fans last season? Doubt it. You tend to go easy on your best players. Ronaldo was rarely criticized here because his ridiculous level of play in general compensated for the odd poor one.

Nah, Ronaldo got a lot of criticism. Mainly for acting the dick and diving.

Anyway, there's a very obvious reason why lots of United fans are much quicker to get on Rooney's case than most other players in our squad.
 
You think Van Persie got a lot of stick from Arsenal fans last season? Doubt it. You tend to go easy on your best players. Ronaldo was rarely criticized here because his ridiculous level of play in general compensated for the odd poor one.

I remember being shocked at some Arsenal fans giving RvP stick after that gilt-edged miss against Milan in last season's Champions League.

I think it's natural that an angry supporter's ire is directed towards the best player after a defeat; there's a feeling that expectations weren't fulfilled, and the talisman didn't produce the goods.

Rooney is also viewed through a more unforgiving prism because of the contract nonsense.
 
I think most neutral fans would rate Van Persie as a better player than Rooney. I'm a United fan and I would have him down as being the better striker last season.

Rooney's probably a more useful player because of his versatility and workrate but you could definitely make a case for Van Persie being a better striker.

I had this debate last season. For my money, RvP is viewed as the better player by most neutrals because his recent form (18 months) has been better, though only marginally so. The difference in productivity between the two is negligible.

Rooney brings more to the table in terms of versatility as you say. That gives him the edge.
 
Problem with Rooney is that he is not the player everyone expected him to be at the start of his career.

He has over-hyped and so people expected him to be like Ronaldo or Messi.

But fact is, he is not.

A pretty good player but not on those levels.
 
Ok, it's not like you don't generaly make sense or anything, but first you say he hasn't degressed at all, simply changed some parts of his game, while you end with "I think he's been below his level for too many games for my liking over the past few years".

I don't think that's a contradiction to be honest. Rooney's level hasn't dropped but he's just been off form for too long periods imo. As Pogue said, Rooney has always been going through bad spells and in truth his bad spells in the past years might not have been worse than they used to. I think they have, but my memory might be failing me. In either case, I expected him to become more consistent as he got older, but Rooney on form is still at least as good as he used to be.

If I might add I think that we should see a much stronger attacking display vs. Fulham (not just from Rooney, but I think he should improve the most over the last game), even though our defense will need to be sharp as well given the manner in which they won the first game.

I'm sure we will. :)
 
WHY do you think Fergie has "bent over backwards" to accomodate a player you clearly don't think is worth the effort?

I answered that in my previous post, because so far he has repayed that treatment, eventually. My point was there will be a time when its not worth giving him special treatment, and I dont think it will be many years from now.
 
Remember when Fergie dropped Mark Hughes back in 1990 early in the season?

Is the Rooney we have now a better player than the Mark Hughes of 1990?

I think that's a pretty close comparison. Hughes reacted to his dropping with some of his best form in a United Jersey... I'd like to see how Rooney reacts to the same treatment.

I don't for a second buy this 'he needs a few games to get back in the swing of things' bullshit.

Are people seriously saying we should knowingly play a player who is clearly not performing anywhere near his peak so he can get "back in the swing of things"... at the expense of others hungry for for action?
 
I had this debate last season. For my money, RvP is viewed as the better player by most neutrals because his recent form (18 months) has been better, though only marginally so. The difference in productivity between the two is negligible.

Rooney brings more to the table in terms of versatility as you say. That gives him the edge.

Personally I would say when both are on form rooney is marginally the better player, but rvp is more consistant.
 
Personally I would say when both are on form rooney is marginally the better player, but rvp is more consistant.

More consistent except over most of his career he has been consistently injured. Rooney has been in the top five players in the world for five years plus, that's pretty consistent.
 
More consistent except over most of his career he has been consistently injured. Rooney has been in the top five players in the world for five years plus, that's pretty consistent.

No way.

Most of those years Rooney hasn't even made the Premier League team of the year. Rooney is still effective - on those increasingly rare occasions when he's on form, fit, and can be bothered - but to compare him talent-wise with a player like Iniesta is a travesty.
 
Yeah, "let's" despite it being far from the truth.
I believe it to be the truth, I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, that would be absurd. You can have your opinion, I won't try to change it, but without being biased I will stand by what I said. Now I'm not saying you personaly do, but I know I don't have a grudge against him and I feel as if I can judge him on a more neutral basis than some people.
For you to claim he's far off the level of Iniesta and Xavi to me is mind bogling, but feck it, it won't really change anything if I start going into details, because we won't be able to come to an agreement.

I think most neutral fans would rate Van Persie as a better player than Rooney. I'm a United fan and I would have him down as being the better striker last season.

Rooney's probably a more useful player because of his versatility and workrate but you could definitely make a case for Van Persie being a better striker.

From my experience it's the other way around. Heck even my mate who supports Arsenal said Rooney's the better player at the end of the day, even at the back of Van Persie's best personal season.

RvP might be the better striker (and probably is), but being strictly a better striker does not make you a better player.


Remember when Fergie dropped Mark Hughes back in 1990 early in the season?

Is the Rooney we have now a better player than the Mark Hughes of 1990?

I think that's a pretty close comparison. Hughes reacted to his dropping with some of his best form in a United Jersey... I'd like to see how Rooney reacts to the same treatment.

I don't for a second buy this 'he needs a few games to get back in the swing of things' bullshit.

Are people seriously saying we should knowingly play a player who is clearly not performing anywhere near his peak so he can get "back in the swing of things"... at the expense of others hungry for for action?

I think him playing for us for all these years and having the same pattern occur pretty much over and over, I think it's pretty clear it's not bullshit.

You don't drop a player like Rooney (or Carrick, or Vidič, or De Gea) after one bad game, nobody has a great game every time they walk out onto the pitch (no, not even Messi). Rooney is our best player and to get the best out of everybody we need him to be at his best.
Do you see Mourinho dropping Ronaldo? Or Pep dropping Messi? No, because they know the best players should have a "longer leash" due to the fact that they can make a huge impact on the game at any given moment, even when in a bad spell. Fair enough Rooney is no Messi, but still no one is, and you should get my point.

I'm not saying keep playing him if he's consistently shit, but he's not that and even the game vs Everton wasn't THAT bad, I mean it was far from the expectations but in all honesty bar Kagawa and De Gea on goal nobody really had a good game, but ofcourse the light shines on Rooney the brightest, which is to be expected, but a lot of people subsequently start exagerating stuff out of proportion.

In reality, any team in the world would kill to have Rooney in their squad, even some that despise him as a human being (which is saying something), yet all you hear on here is criticism. I'm not saying I'm blind to his faults, but even last year, he scored 2 goals on more than one occasion and even then he sometimes got criticised for shit.
 
You're missing my point Pogue, probably on purpose i would suggest! :smirk:

Is rooney a wc striker or a wc player?

For me a striker can be wc and still be dependent on service. A wc player is not dependent on service, when they get on the ball they make things happen, they have the ability to change the game by what they can provide to their team by their own contribution.

They should have something extra that others do not have that clearly sets them apart. I don't see that any longer with Rooney, he used to have it, but no more.

How many strikers in the world can get other players involved in the attack as much as Rooney? The amount of time's he put in a long crossfield ball out to the wing was amazing; no he didn't pull it off as many times as they did, but he often was under more pressure when he was doing these passes, anyways. He beat his man for dead yesterday too; but of course, his dribblings shite. Defenders back off and 2v1 him when he's got a bit of space too; you notice that? Yes, his 1-2's feck up when he's not in good form, but he still executed about half of them; it's just that the final ball after the initial 1-2 (or second 1-2 in the same sequence) was off; Kagawa and all are better than him at this. Kagawa's also got far better vision in terms of delicate through balls; and I think Kagawa can also play the long balls to the wingers; Rooney's got far far more of a goal threat, however.





The real qualm for me was that, despite his body position obviously not being ready to take the cross where it eventually came to him, he shot it straight to Howard. Now, I expect him, as good as he is, to put that away. I wouldn't expect Welbeck to, not even Hernandez maybe; but he was in front and missed (again, his body wasn't ready for the shot because he expected the cross to be directed in front of him rather than straight at his heel). That would've been 1-0.

Also, in the 7th minute he was faster than Distin to the ball; I was very happy with his speed.

Anyways, to all you lads who think Rooney is undroppable; well I don't think he is, anymore.

Last season, if you wanted to drop him, you'd be picking Welbeck and Hernandez in your 4411, and that's obviously never going to work out nearly as well; Welbeck and Hernandez are nowhere near Rooney's level, and neither can distribute the balls to the wingers (Which we were so reliant on to provide assists) with the crossfield passes that Rooney so often did last season. He's critical to our play, but with Kagawa and RvP now competing for the 2 central attacking spots (and both can pass a ball very well, and RvP can compete for the goal scoring position) rather than having Welbeck/Hernandez and no-one (Berbatov wasn't getting a look in, was he) well, no-one ever is going to drop Rooney for Welbeck, are they?

Fact is, he's no longer our undisputable best striker now RvP's here, and he's not our undisputable best CAM either. If Rooney's in good form, he will start, anywhere, however. Because he's that good. He can kick any player off the team, as long as they are in one of the 4 attacker spots.

He's going to get a kick up the backside if he doesn't perform to a very good standard over the next 3-4 games, but it's silly to suggest he was a pub footballer yesterday. Welbeck was almost invisible, and he doesn't have the passing range that Rooney did (82% completion) so he wasn't even involved in our play because he doesn't offer that to us as a team. Welbeck was meant to offer chance creation, and finishing, from his almost central striking position (Zonal marking had his average position VERY close to Rooney's) and whilst he made some good runs, he didn't end up completing the finish, and he certainly offered very little in chances; he certainly didn't do any real threatening crosses nor did he distribute the ball that well.

Rooney's essential to distributing the balls to the wings; but the players we've gotten now ensure that he can be dropped if he's not offering us a goal threat in addition to this. Kagawa played a brilliant volleyed crossfield pass against Hannover, to our Left winger (can't remember who, could've even been Evra) ¬ about 20-25 metres too; that lad is a great number 10.

Zonal marking also indicated that Rooney, RvP and Nani (later Young) interchanged their position to play anywhere across the front 3 when they came on (except Nani/Young didn't go central) i.e. Rooney / Rvp played right left and central, but Kagawa stayed central behind them; indicating we will be seeing a very fluid front 3; we will be able to include Rooney, RvP and Kagawa, plus another (probably winger) into a 4213 / 4231 ish formation.
 
The problem with Wayne is that the likes of Messi and Ronaldo has shifted the bar really high for players to be deemed world class. Calling Wayne world class when we see him struggling on some weeks is hard to take when we see Messi and Ronaldo scoring a goal or two for what seems like whole season long.

Nothing to do with it, WC has been as evident throughout the years as it is today. Scoring shit loads of goals in a 2 team league hasn't raised the bar of WC at all imo. All it does is show the massive gulf between the top 2 teams in Spain and the rest of the division.

It's not even just about goals, it's about regularly showing your ability to do something out of the ordinary, that others cannot do. Zidane didn't score that many, but does that detract from his WC status?

World class players look a cut above the rest, they have something extra that clearly sets them apart. My feeling on it is that world class is obvious. If it needs debating then i think that suggests they are not. The likes of Ronaldo, Baggio, Hagi, Platini, Gullit, Van Basten, Gascoigne, Zidane, Veron, Scholes, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Villa, Bergkamp, Zico, Ronaldinho, Eto'o just to name a few more.

Is there really any debate necessary? these players have one thing in common, it is absolutely fecking obvious to anyone with a brain that they clearly have a talent that is undeniably special. They regularly dominate and influence games with their levels of influence, skill, touch and vision that are simply beyond most other players.

Irrespective of what position they play, they are world class players. Their ability on the ball and on their team allows them to perform at a higher level on a regular basis, and use their superior talent to make the difference.

Others may not agree, but's that my basis for judgement.
 
Problem with Rooney is that he is not the player everyone expected him to be at the start of his career.

He has over-hyped and so people expected him to be like Ronaldo or Messi.

But fact is, he is not.

A pretty good player but not on those levels.

Ahh come on.....

Wayne Rooney - a pretty good player? This is a player who throughout his career has excelled in a variety of positions whilst consistently being one the Premiership's best players for what will soon be a decade. I have my concerns regarding Rooney, but he's better than that. At the top of his game - and I'm talking about the Rooney that played against Everton last year in that 4-4 game, or the one that was absolutely fecking shit up during the latter half of the 2011 season - he is a brilliant footballer. His big game record is fantastic, too.

It is a worry that so many facets of his game seem to be so off at times, but we would've been absolutely nowhere near City without him last year. He is in that bracket with Benzema, Van Persie, Aguero and Ibrahimovic for me, and that is more than pretty good.

(If I have taken you too literally there, then I apologise. ;))
 
I think most neutral fans would rate Van Persie as a better player than Rooney. I'm a United fan and I would have him down as being the better striker last season.

Rooney's probably a more useful player because of his versatility and workrate but you could definitely make a case for Van Persie being a better striker.

That's my view too.

I'm amazed your boy is shocked to hear that lots of neutral fans rate RVP over Rooney, thought that was a given.
 
I just don't think he's worthy of his untouchable status when he's playing like he currently is.

It frustrates me on occasions like last night when he couldn't control the ball, Welbeck has to give way rather than him.
 
I just don't think he's worthy of his untouchable status when he's playing like he currently is.

It frustrates me on occasions like last night when he couldn't control the ball, Welbeck has to give way rather than him.

I think one of the problems is the inevitable shitstorm that will occur when Rooney is dropped. It's ridiculous that this is something that will have to be factored into the decision.
 
I just don't think he's worthy of his untouchable status when he's playing like he currently is.

It frustrates me on occasions like last night when he couldn't control the ball, Welbeck has to give way rather than him.

I don't think Welbeck offered more than him yesterday. Not even close.
 
I think him playing for us for all these years and having the same pattern occur pretty much over and over, I think it's pretty clear it's not bullshit.

You don't drop a player like Rooney (or Carrick, or Vidič, or De Gea) after one bad game, nobody has a great game every time they walk out onto the pitch (no, not even Messi). Rooney is our best player and to get the best out of everybody we need him to be at his best.

Don't agree, I think Fergie is giving the lad too much slack. Now I'm not one to question the great man, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was suggested (behind closed doors of course) that Rooney's inconsistent form is a source of worry for him.... Its the first game of the season, of course no one is in peak form game 1... but I'm sorry, Rooney was woeful and worst than that didn't even look like he gave a rats ass... which is something you can never say about Messi or Ronaldo or a great number of other players for that matter

I agree United need Rooney performing at his best... I'm saying that sitting his ass on the bench and showing him that United has other attacking options if he continues to turn in such lackluster performances might do him the world of good.
 
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